GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[Tillicum]

OT/ Actually, your DIL isn't the only one who prefers to take separate flights when children are involved. I used to work for a high profile political campaign and was never allowed to schedule flights for the wife and the candidate together. It gave their children an extra level of security for a bit of inconvenience and cost. You have a thoughtful DIL who puts her children first. Lucky kids.

Lucky Grandma

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see anything in the local papers saying the parents attended the funeral.

So the burial is closed to the public and only the immediate family/mom and dad will be there?

They announced the burial place/time in the paper..

"..Interment will follow at Highland Memory Gardens in Dublin..."

http://www.wjhl.com/story/28695078/community-pays-respect-at-5-year-old-noah-thomas-funeral

They may have changed it because if you will Google it will still show on some sites it was stated as private. His official obituary from Bower doesn't mention the interment at all.

Private usually means all of the family and close friends only and not the general public.

http://www.bowerfuneralhome.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3018511&fh_id=10940

 

[DeeMarie]

This reporter answers the question "were his parents there?"
With "yes". [emoji120][emoji120][emoji120][emoji120]


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Why was this information of the parents being at Noah's funeral not in any of the papers ??

 

[Schmaley]

I feel nothing but sadness for these parents. I certainly do not feel as though any judgement is warranted. She made a mistake by taking a nap. In the realm of parenting mistakes, I would say napping in a thin-walled tiny trailer while your school aged child watched cartoons is a minor infraction and something she will regret until the day she dies. There is no reason to believe the mom was in any way responsible for his death. We don't even know if it was a homicide. The speculation seems to be pretty top heavy with parental blame here. If Ms White was in a drug induced stupor or had too many CPS reports to count then I feel it would be justified but there is nothing but claims of a happy and healthy well adjusted child. I am shocked to see how many people on this thread have claimed to be in dire financial straits but would NEVER ever sacrifice even a moment of close supervision to do something (so self serving-really?) as rest?? Thats great but it is far from neglect to allow your (SCHOOL AGE) child to watch cartoons alone. It is a similar tar & feathering that we saw in the thread with Jenise Wright. Everyone assumed her parents when they were nothing but innocent. Burying your child is something I cannot even imagine. But doing it under so much public scrutiny would be impossible for me.

 

[Meemaw12]

Why was this information of the parents being at Noah's funeral not in any of the papers or on Cameron Austin's Twitter feed??

@elenda100: @CameronOAustin Were his parents at his funeral??????

@CameronOAustin: @elenda100 Yes


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[Schmaley]

Why was this information of the parents being at Noah's funeral not in any of the papers or on Cameron Austin's Twitter feed??

Just speculating but as a general rule, parents usually attend their children's funerals and it isn't news.

 

[gitana1]

I'm new to this case. Can anyone tell me the circumstances of Noah's disappearance? Where and when last seen and by whom and what he was doing?

"A credible tip" leading to the septic tank behind the family home is odd and suggestive. But I'm not sure of what.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I feel nothing but sadness for these parents. I certainly do not feel as though any judgement is warranted. She made a mistake by taking a nap. In the realm of parenting mistakes, I would say napping in a thin-walled tiny trailer while your school aged child watched cartoons is a minor infraction and something she will regret until the day she dies. There is no reason to believe the mom was in any way responsible for his death. We don't even know if it was a homicide. The speculation seems to be pretty top heavy with parental blame here. If Ms White was in a drug induced stupor or had too many CPS reports to count then I feel it would be justified but there is nothing but claims of a happy and healthy well adjusted child. I am shocked to see how many people on this thread have claimed to be in dire financial straits but would NEVER ever sacrifice even a moment of close supervision to do something (so self serving-really?) as rest?? Thats great but it is far from neglect to allow your (SCHOOL AGE) child to watch cartoons alone. It is a similar tar & feathering that we saw in the thread with Jenise Wright. Everyone assumed her parents when they were nothing but innocent. Burying your child is something I cannot even imagine. But doing it under so much public scrutiny would be impossible for me.

Jenise Wright's parents didn't kill her, but their extreme negligence allowed the opportunity and that's a fact.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I feel nothing but sadness for these parents. I certainly do not feel as though any judgement is warranted. She made a mistake by taking a nap. In the realm of parenting mistakes, I would say napping in a thin-walled tiny trailer while your school aged child watched cartoons is a minor infraction and something she will regret until the day she dies. There is no reason to believe the mom was in any way responsible for his death. We don't even know if it was a homicide. The speculation seems to be pretty top heavy with parental blame here. If Ms White was in a drug induced stupor or had too many CPS reports to count then I feel it would be justified but there is nothing but claims of a happy and healthy well adjusted child. I am shocked to see how many people on this thread have claimed to be in dire financial straits but would NEVER ever sacrifice even a moment of close supervision to do something (so self serving-really?) as rest?? Thats great but it is far from neglect to allow your (SCHOOL AGE) child to watch cartoons alone. It is a similar tar & feathering that we saw in the thread with Jenise Wright. Everyone assumed her parents when they were nothing but innocent. Burying your child is something I cannot even imagine. But doing it under so much public scrutiny would be impossible for me.

I agree. My prayers go out to little Noah's family and friends.

 

[vasportsmom]

We have no way to prove it either way, but I personally see no reason to suspect the dad did not have a valid DL. I do think having a single car (maybe one was not running at the time) was the cause of mom and kids taking him to work and is a logical conclusion. However, it is just my opinion n all.

I wasn't suggesting anything nefarious. My oldest brother is 35 and has never had a license. He made his learners permit, hated it and that was that. My oldest son received 2 brand new cars for his 16th bday but didn't make his license until he was 18 and only then because his schedule was conflicting with his little brother's and I prioritized the child that had no other option. Some people just don't drive.


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[SeriouslySearching]

Why was this information of the parents being at Noah's funeral not in any of the papers or on Cameron Austin's Twitter feed??

Maybe the press is giving the parents some privacy to grieve and not be front page news? Unheard of I know, but it could happen.

They probably took them in a private entrance, perhaps seated them in the "family room" beside the main body of the church, and left the same way beyond the scrutiny of the cameras outside the church. I don't doubt there will be press set up to take their photos at the interment unless LE can prevent it in some way.

 

[lonetraveler]

Some of the rumors were that Noah's mother had already been arrested so her being at the funeral proved that to be false.

:moo:

So there was media showing where the parents did attend the funeral? Where can I read this?

 

[gitana1]

I feel nothing but sadness for these parents. I certainly do not feel as though any judgement is warranted. She made a mistake by taking a nap. In the realm of parenting mistakes, I would say napping in a thin-walled tiny trailer while your school aged child watched cartoons is a minor infraction and something she will regret until the day she dies. There is no reason to believe the mom was in any way responsible for his death. We don't even know if it was a homicide. The speculation seems to be pretty top heavy with parental blame here. If Ms White was in a drug induced stupor or had too many CPS reports to count then I feel it would be justified but there is nothing but claims of a happy and healthy well adjusted child. I am shocked to see how many people on this thread have claimed to be in dire financial straits but would NEVER ever sacrifice even a moment of close supervision to do something (so self serving-really?) as rest?? Thats great but it is far from neglect to allow your (SCHOOL AGE) child to watch cartoons alone. It is a similar tar & feathering that we saw in the thread with Jenise Wright. Everyone assumed her parents when they were nothing but innocent. Burying your child is something I cannot even imagine. But doing it under so much public scrutiny would be impossible for me.

I see nothing wrong with taking a nap while your kindergartener watches tv. He's right there. And I bolt up at the slightest "off" noise in case someone needs something or is sick or hurt or in trouble. I assume most parents are like that.

If napping while a kindergartener is in the house with you watching tv is irresponsible, then any sleeping at all is irresponsible unless another adult is awake watching the kids. Because kids get up in the night or early in the morning and "gasp" occasionally wander the house, get food, go to the toilet or turn on the tv when their parents are still asleep. So what?

I think we have become much too nannying in this country about how to raise kids. Accidents can happen to the most careful parents. To live is to risk. And if we bubble wrap our kids any tighter, they will strangle.

I'm waiting to see what happened here. But if there was an accident due to mom napping, I'm not going to blame her unless there is more to the story, such as evidence that Noah was known to be reckless or danger seeking and/or mom was passed out for hours on drugs or alcohol.

But nothing like that has been suggested.

The credible tip suggests instead tht someone knew Noah was in that tank. All we have to do is wait to find out who knew and how. Right?

 

[ForeverAmber806]

Just speculating but as a general rule, parents usually attend their children's funerals and it isn't news.

My thoughts exactly...why wouldn't they be at the funeral?

 

[Schmaley]

Jenise Wright's parents didn't kill her, but their extreme negligence allowed the opportunity and that's a fact.

I really don't care to re-invent the wheel with that case but that is certainly not a fact. A sadistic, morally depraved neighbor killed her. Let's not allow him off so easy to split that blame. Its all his.

 

[courtneyb]

I'm sure that any parent who has left a child alone for a period of time and something bad happened to that child would say, looking back, that they wish they had not been negligent (in watching their child). I don't think they would defend the choice that helped facilitate their child's death. So I won't defend it either, because it obviously was a wrong decision.

But, I will feel empathy for her for the horrible loss of her baby boy, and just try to make sure that I am never in the same shoes to have to look back and only be able to WISH that I had watched my child more closely. Because I am sure that is the worst feeling in the world.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I don't think it's necessary to read that the parents were at the funeral, to assume they were there. I attended the funeral of a teen that had died in a car accident. I only attended the service and did not go to the grave site. I never saw the parents or the siblings. They were in an area off to the side that had curtains separating them from the other people in attendance. They were able to see the service, but we couldn't see them. Sadly, even though I couldn't see them, I knew they were there. The sounds of mourning coming from the private area were unmistakable.
Until we have further information, I can't judge this family. They are suffering an unthinkable horror. Moo

 

[YidArmyRach]

I'm new to this case. Can anyone tell me the circumstances of Noah's disappearance? Where and when last seen and by whom and what he was doing?

"A credible tip" leading to the septic tank behind the family home is odd and suggestive. But I'm not sure of what.

From memory (feel free to correct me people).

Mum and kids dropped dad off at work around 7am. Around 8.00am Mum decided to take a nap with the baby (8 months old) in her bedroom as far as I am aware. First timeline said that she woke around 9.00am and saw Noah was still watching tv, so went back to bed and then woke up around 10.00am to 10.30am. Noticed Noah wasn't there, looked for him, then called LE at 11.00am.

However a second timeline was later released to say that Mum didn't wake at 9.00am, so was asleep from around 8.00am to 10.30am. Woke up to find Noah missing - coat and boots missing too. This is the timeline that is accurate as far as I am aware.

LE found the poor little boy in the septic tank a few days later, following a tip.

Mum said Noah was a cautious boy who didn't wander.

A WS member, says that the septic tank cover was under ground - she knew this as a relative of hers lived in front of Noah's family up to very recently. She also said that it was usual for Noah to play outside unattended.

A news reporter also stated that the cover was under the grass.

LE haven't said where the cover was located. On discovering Noah, LE said they removed the lid and drained the tank.

Hope that helps, and hope I've remembered correctly.

 

[DeeMarie]

My thoughts exactly...why wouldn't they be at the funeral?

Because they have not been involved with any community events to honor Noah, talked to the public, made a statement -- or have even had someone read a statement for them.

Noah's mother and father have been invisible except to for being at Noah's funeral.

Because of their non-involvement as well as community speculations of their guilt, maybe safety issues, some thought that the parents would honor Noah in private (separate funeral) and this was a public event.

 

[ForeverAmber806]

Ugh! Another Virginia boy has died in a septic tank!

http://www.wsls.com/story/28696084/...lling-into-septic-style-tank-in-west-virginia