GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #4

[YidArmyRach]

I am going to step away from here now. The parents were criticized for not speaking out, and now that any words have been uttered they are being jumped on. One post says "saddest" the next says "worst" so we still don't know what she actually said. Who can say they deeply consider every single word that comes out of their mouth at all times? Shes probably exhausted, possibly going through withdrawal, and stressed about being in jail. Not to mention she has just lost her kids, one buried.

What she has done is horrendous, and if convicted I hope she gets the maximum time without parole. And I hope she is never allowed any say in the 6 month olds life again, but she is still a human, she still has feelings and she is entitled to them, no matter what anyone thinks. Maybe I have too much empathy, maybe I should become a defense lawyer, who knows, but I cannot feel hatred in my heart towards another human being.

You know what? I'm just going to save my sympathy for little Noah, the poor young man who had to drain the septic tank to find his body, the people who had to clean him up and dress him for his funeral and the police who have had to spent the last week being civil to a couple of low lives who dumped their baby in the sewer.

If she is going through withdrawal, stress and exhaustion, I bet its still a hell of a lot easier than dying.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I guess they weren't that torn up about it, so why should anyone else be? Just "dinner conversation"...

Kind of casual conversation, you think?

 

[Tillicum]

I don't think anybody has enjoyed this over dinner or anywhere else. This has been horrifying. Who do they think they are?

They seem to think THEY are the victims

 

[courtneyb]

Tell ya what, when Noah speaks up and asks for privacy then we will respect his wish. Oh, wait ...


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It's pretty gross how they make it known that they want to make sure their privacy and rights are being protected. Whatever punishment they get, I hope it's bad for them. Because I don't think they will actually be tormented by what they've done or be torn up with guilt.

 

[toevlugsoord]

"Media members were allowed to attend the hearing, but cameras were not allowed inside. White said she did not want media inside of the hearing because this is the worst thing that has ever happened to her and she doesn’t want to be the topic of everyone’s dinner conversation."

As I said, self absorbed drug user, and I've got news for her, she'll always be a topic of someone's dinner topic for years. It is good she's that self absorbed, because I can see her turning over info on Paul and anyone connected with any drug use.

Wow, it's just all about her. Narcissistic personality there. No mention of her son. Sad! Or being away from her baby!

 

[cluciano63]

My guess right now is that the tank was used as a disposal spot. I am getting the feeling that Noah died as the result of something he got a hold of due to negligence, i.e drugs, meds, a gun, bleach, whatever. But most likely something illegal, that kept them from calling police or 911. Maybe he was dead before they noticed he had ingested something. Clearly, LE believes he died as a result of something done or not done by his parents, Imo. To be determined if his death qualifies as murder. Jmo

 

[milkymama]

In Virginia, the initial arraignment for felonies can be done in General District Court. If enough evidence is found to indicate probable cause, it then goes to a grand jury. If the grand jury also finds probable cause, they issue a "true bill" and the case is sent to Circuit Court for trial. Sometimes, General District is bypassed and it goes straight to the grand jury.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am going to step away from here now. The parents were criticized for not speaking out, and now that any words have been uttered they are being jumped on. One post says "saddest" the next says "worst" so we still don't know what she actually said. Who can say they deeply consider every single word that comes out of their mouth at all times? Shes probably exhausted, possibly going through withdrawal, and stressed about being in jail. Not to mention she has just lost her kids, one buried.

What she has done is horrendous, and if convicted I hope she gets the maximum time without parole. And I hope she is never allowed any say in the 6 month olds life again, but she is still a human, she still has feelings and she is entitled to them, no matter what anyone thinks. Maybe I have too much empathy, maybe I should become a defense lawyer, who knows, but I cannot feel hatred in my heart towards another human being.

I do agree with you to some extent.

Some do tend to pick a part every word that a suspect says especially if it involves child victims. Personally, what she said wasn't that big of a deal to me. Her definition of sad is unknown. Is she sad that she finds herself in the criminal justice system? Possibly, or she could really regret causing Noah's death if she did.

However; it is very hard for me to muster up any empathy for someone who is accused of being abusive and neglectful to both of their children. And I was one of the ones who supported these parents until LE arrested them both. The empathy or any sympathy ended right then and there just like I said it would if the evidence showed guilt.

I also know I am rather hardnosed on those who abuse their children because they are drug users. I suppose that is because I have never done one illegal drug in my entire life.......not even pot. Our 5 children are grown now and in their 30s and one is 40 and drugs were never something my husband and I had to deal with. So I know full well that a good life can happen without ever using illegal drugs. So I absolutely see no valid excuses why the mom and dad mistreated both of their children. Imo, everything they did to their children whether it was neglect or abuse they were both old enough to know it was flat wrong and criminal. When a DA charges a parent stating they had no value for human life (paraphrasing) it is a very strong chilling statement than cant be overlooked.

As always, my heart and sympathy is with the child or children who were subjected to the abuse and the neglect. Once, I was one of those children for many years crying out in the dark and no help ever came. By the Grace of God I lived through it. I have much more of a connection to Noah and his baby sister and have none with their abusers.

I don't hate anyone but I certainly do hate what some parents have done to the very children they are supposed to love and protect. Those abusive or even murderous actions against the most defenseless among us IS what I really hate.

When anyone puts their own wants and desires over the very children they bring in to this world my sympathy vanishes and all is left is great disdain for their actions.

But like I said above, when it comes to picking every little word said a part.... sometimes it tends to go a little over the top. I believe that is because no one likes child abusers and possible child murderers so they find fault with everything that is said by one or two if that is the situation.

 

[QueenD]

I'm just wondering, since Dad has ask about bond and his charges aren't as Mom's. Whatever happened to Noah must be all of Mom's doings?






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[passionflower]

I doubt there is $100 between them. The aunt said they both worked all the time just to make ends meet.

or to make unhealthy choice of living (smokes, booze drugs party?) JMOO

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

Kind of casual conversation, you think?

This just hurts my heart. First of all how he must have suffered, then as he lay in a casket while the community mourned, they just wanted out of there. Who were these people??

 

[LietKynes]

Here's the quote:

“This is the saddest thing that’s ever happened to me in my life,” White said. “I don’t feel people should be able to enjoy it over dinner.”

That's what crosses my mind when I think of people wanting to watch Ashley's hearing and "enjoy it over dinner".

Snipped for brevity ; emphasis mine

*Thinking out loud here.*

Oh, it's all about HER, isn't it ? Smh. What happened to her was of her own choosing, she chose the path that ended up in her son's death and her baby taken by CPS -- and the fact that the baby was removed so soon , indicates LE found something troubling right from the start.
And no, no one wants to "..enjoy it over dinner.." , what a strange thing for Ashley to say.
People are angry and rightfully so, they'd attend a hearing because they want to see justice done !!!

We don't know yet how or when exactly poor little Noah perished, but this case seems to cry out for the death penalty. Even if PT didn't have a hand in his son's death... if he knew what was happening and helped to conceal Noah's body, I think he should be handed the severest punishment allowed !
Wishful thinking, but it would be best if neither of them were allowed to come near that surviving baby girl until she is of age. Or maybe never.
Just venting here.

As far as Ashley just 'not supervising' her children properly, or 'taking a nap,etc.' ; the charges that have been brought against her would seem to indicate that LE knows otherwise. Again my opinion.

The autopsy results will show if he was alive when placed in the septic tank, or murdered beforehand. ( Hated typing that. )
I'd expect the charges to possibly be upgraded after the autopsy results are in.

:moo:

 

[AnnaGrace]

This just hurts my heart. First of all how he must have suffered, then as he lay in a casket while the community mourned, they just wanted out of there. Who were these people??

Agreed 100%. Heart wrenching...Precious little boy.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I don't know this family. I agree with you, strawb.. I am not sure there was a deliberate act of abuse, rather a gross negligence that led to Noah doing something that caused his death. Could be something left out (gun, drugs, etc) that he could have gotten into. Once he was indeed dead, it's possible they panicked and disposed of him. I'm sure they weren't thinking clearly.... That being said, I don't believe they take satisfaction in his death. As for hating them, I just can't do it. I do believe this is the worst thing, the saddest thing, the (insert word here) thing that has ever happened and due to poor decisions, many lives are changed, one is ended and a baby's life is disrupted. Whatever happened, Noah payed the ultimate price. For that, I'm sad, angry, etc.. but hateful, can't do it.

"Noah doing something that led to his death"? Maybe I'm taking it wrong, but that sounds to me like victim blaming to me.

Anything Noah did was because he wasn't being supervised - IF that is what happened. Whatever led to his death, it wasn't anything he did - it was what was done to him, or done through a lack of supervision.

And if people believe that he did something to himself, whilst his mum slept - then doesn't that prove that 5 year olds actually shouldn't be left alone for 2 hours whilst mum has a "nap".

Maybe I'm mean, but I'm finding it pretty easy to hate these people.

 

[arkansasmimi]

IIRC, I read here, that Noah home and the white house were both connected to the same septic system..

Thinking out loud. What IF Noah coat/clothing or whatever somehow got into the outgoing water to the field lines. This would not allow the tank to work properly. After 5 days of use the water level in the tank would cause the water from the house to not drain or flush properly. If LEO were at the home and realized this, that would be a big tip to check the tank. *JMO

 

[passionflower]

Did any where hey work have life insurance for the children?
When do you think of disposing a body in a septic tank? before or after the deed? horrible people think that way............
Why not a burial instead?

 

[courtneyb]

"Noah doing something that led to his death"? Maybe I'm taking it wrong, but that sounds to me like victim blaming to me.

Anything Noah did was because he wasn't being supervised - IF that is what happened. Whatever led to his death, it wasn't anything he did - it was what was done to him, or done through a lack of supervision.

And if people believe that he did something to himself, whilst his mum slept - then doesn't that prove that 5 year olds actually shouldn't be left alone for 2 hours whilst mum has a "nap".

Maybe I'm mean, but I'm finding it pretty easy to hate these people.

Hopefully, it was a bad choice of words? Because that is definitely placing some degree of blame on a 5 year old. If Noah got into drugs and ingested them, it was the parents' fault for a) having drugs around and b) not caring for their child well enough, or long enough (because he DIED) for him to learn that drugs are bad. And just outright placing their wants and needs first and not caring for and loving those kids like all kids deserve to be loved.

It's akin to saying "if she hadn't worn that short skirt, maybe she wouldn't have been raped."

I'm going to guess it was just a bad choice of words.

 

[passionflower]

This just hurts my heart. First of all how he must have suffered, then as he lay in a casket while the community mourned, they just wanted out of there. Who were these people??

best parents, hands down...............

 

[YidArmyRach]

My guess right now is that the tank was used as a disposal spot. I am getting the feeling that Noah died as the result of something he got a hold of due to negligence, i.e drugs, meds, a gun, bleach, whatever. But most likely something illegal, that kept them from calling police or 911. Maybe he was dead before they noticed he had ingested something. Clearly, LE believes he died as a result of something done or not done by his parents, Imo. To be determined if his death qualifies as murder. Jmo

I agree. I still can't get my head around them dumping him where they did. There is no "good" way of covering up a crime like that, but surely if they loved that little boy, they'd have wrapped him up carefully and placed him somewhere more decent. They had access to a car, they could have shown him some respect. But to dispose of him like that, and know that if not found, he'd be lying in all that 'stuff' for months, makes me feel that they really couldn't have had any feelings for him at all.

 

[abr]

Yes! I'd be a sniveling, disheveled snotty blob of a woman, but I'd have my on TV begging for my baby back.

Yes, and begging people to pray.