GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #4

[winterrose]

There's no need for people to feel everything posted, other than it being accident, is against the parents. There are possibly outside factors that could point to other people not of a sober mind, or for other reasons to harm a child accidentally or on purpose. There's alot of history to the family scenario that LE is probably looking into as part of the investigation, lifestyle, acquaintances, etc. We can spectulate alot, but we'll find out more in a couple of hours thankfully.

 

[courtneyb]

Often times in rural small communities they can become complacent where they truly believe it is safe for a child to play in the yard alone. Mothers usually watch them from the windows and they do check on them often though.

They usually know everyone around them pretty well and don't see the dangers like the big cities see.

Our five children are all grown now but I see kids playing outside in their own yards all the time in my neighborhood. My next door neighbor has the cutest tree house built for her grandchildren and I see them in her yard often. I hear her when she is checking on them.

When our grands and great grands come over they play in the backyard because the two acres are fenced in all the way around. My hubby and I are usually out there with them sitting in the gazebo since they want to show us everything they do.! But even when I am inside I can see them from every window and from the French doors on the backside of our home.

That is a good possibility, that she assumed he would be safe.


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[LaborDayRN]

You are that person too Steleheart.:heart:

I don't think anyone can really grasp the deep feeling of pain and despair a parent feels when they lose a child unless they have walked in the same shoes no parent ever wants to walk in.

I have seen it come very close to destroying my first cousin and with her the pain is never ending. Her life story of loss is incomprehensible. First, when her only daughter was 30 years old she was killed in a traffic accident by a drunk driver. It took years of therapy for her to even want to live life again. No sooner than she had returned to some type of normalcy her granddaughter (her deceased daughter's daughter) at the age of 15 was also in a traffic accident and killed by another drunk driver. When her daughter died, she and her husband were raising Laci's two young daughters. So she is once again knocked for a loop and spiraled down in to deep depression.

But it doesn't end there. The oldest granddaughter is 23 now and she had a little girl 18 months ago. Such a beautiful blonde blue eyed baby girl. Two weeks ago the baby was staying down at the other great-grandparents home. She was much loved by all of the families. The great grandmother was outside doing yardwork and she looked up and didn't see the toddler anywhere. Immediately they began to look for her and she was found face down in a little goldfish pond they had made just for her because she loved to look at the 'pish' as she called them. She could not be revived.

So that is three tragedies. She has two older sons. Laci was their youngest child and they also have other grandchildren by their sons. She has total support from her family and this is what finally pulled her out of it last time.

But I just don't know how much one human being can take when there is so much sadness and loss in someone's life. We are now very worried, even moreso... than the other times. And my cousin is a wonderful caring, and loving parent, grandparent and great grandparent. Family is everything to her just like it is to me.

So for those who believes in prayer please think about this one family who is in much need of it at this time just like Noah's family.

Thank you.

Oh.....Oceanblueeyes! Such a heartbreaking story of loss. Your cousin and family will be in my prayers.

 

[winterrose]

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[cluciano63]

I think the point is that we don't know that she wasn't, either.

Well she wasn't on this day...maybe she often napped while Noah amused himself?

 

[vasportsmom]

Last time I checked, it was not against any law to sit inside and watch a 5 year old child play outside. Plus if there were capable adults outside with their own children and lived across the unfenced yard, I would think any parent would not hesitate to allow their child to participate. So neglect? No.

I disagree. I would never just assume that a neighbor is happy to watch my child and I despise having kids dumped on me without warning. If I'm sick (chronic migraines) or busy it is one thing to trust that my 14yo is remaining in our fenced in yard as agreed but quite another to put the same trust in children that I may not know well.


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[scout35]

However, I do know the fact that neither parent ever spoke to Angel the entire time they lived there, though Noah played outside frequently with her girls.

I am genuinely curious -- Did Angel try to speak to Noah's parents and they refused or was it just a case of neither set of parents trying to make contact?

 

[ANonyMs]

You are absolutely right. I'm in agreement with that. But, we don't know that particular either way. It was stated in that quote that it wasn't illegal to sit inside and watch your child play outside, as if it were a fact that she did that. Even though I think is harder to stand at a window for hours watching your child than to go outside and sit in a chair. For me, anyway. I'm sure there was a reason she did not go out with him. JMO.

However, I do know the fact that neither parent ever spoke to Angel the entire time they lived there, though Noah played outside frequently with her girls.




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And THAT I would find worrisome in any case, not just this one.

 

[Schmaley]

At least the mom, if arrested for anything, can find comfort in the fact that many people agree with her parenting style. And, those who dare to disagree? Are told in no uncertain terms how insensitive they are. :silenced:

This does not make any sense. First of all, understanding and being empathetic does not equate to agreeing. And if she is arrested for simply napping then yes she can certainly take comfort in knowing that people sleep. It is a basic biological function.

 

[Teche]

I misread WSLS Weather Station. I thought we were getting a weather station with the WS changes.

 

[courtneyb]

She nor Mark never even saw the father.. Did not know he was living there. I'm guessing long hours at work. Mom never attempted to make contact, only once coming out on the porch to tell Noah to come inside. Angel was outside a lot with her girls, and Noah would just wander over to play. Or if Mark was outside working on his motorcycle, he would come over asking to look at it, sit on it, etc.

 

[toevlugsoord]

Please don't start arguing in this thread!!!! It could get shut down and then we have nowhere to discuss the announcement later. Please.

 

[vasportsmom]

Please don't start arguing in this thread!!!! It could get shut down and then we have nowhere to discuss the announcement later. Please.

Lol, I just joked in a PM that the PC may be to announce that we are all in t/o and will have to play armchair detective elsewhere.


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[winterrose]

I don't see any arguing, I just see discussing.


Suri Crowe @KSuri · 2h 2 hours ago

#BREAKING there will be a news conference today at 4 with Sheriff Jim Davis updating #NoahThomas case. I'll be there.

She's right on top of this case.

I don't see any arrests, unless it's a name we don't know.

 

[NSS]

Becoming a parent is a choice.
If you are not in a position to actively parent, then maybe delaying the choice would be wise.

On a personal note - I chose to have children, I chose when, I chose to parent. No SuperMom here, but I did aspire to be. I was often tired, and refuse to apologise for choosing not to sleep whilst supervising my 'littles'. 6 of 8 are now adults.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know. I find it really sad and frankly a bit terrifying, that it's considered unattainable super mom...simply to know the location of your child. I think it's a tad unfair to think that people here could be expecting a super parent, when really most just think it's a good idea to know your child is somewhere around. And that's not even case specific for here. I mean, in general. Not even referring to Noah, his mom, or any specifics of this case. Does anyone really feel knowing where your kid is...is that really impossible? We do see it case after case.

It sounds pretty frightening when it is written out, doesn't it? From everything I have read, people are not only suggesting keeping an eye on children, but have an unrealistic expectation of surveillance 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week without fail. Has society has gone into nanny cam mode as a parenting model?

I see the pressure my own DIL places on herself to be the super mom/ super parent. We discuss the pressure coming in from all sides and how it is very difficult to maintain the level of perfection others place on parents today. So it isn't this case that opened my eyes to such a problem. But it is a problem concerning this case, imo.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I misread WSLS Weather Station. I thought we were getting a weather station with the WS changes.

That would be my fault. That's what I call it. It's actually called 10.2Go, I think. It's a 24 hour weather station that is part of WSLS in Roanoke.:crazy:

 

[LorinMarie]

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But I wonder if someone supplied someone with prescription drugs they obtained legally, and that person OD'd, if the same culpability would apply.

Pills are a huge issue where I am from so I have seen a lot in the local news about this. If someone legally has a prescription and they knowingly provide someone else with pills they are liable for whatever the outcome may be. The prescription is for their use and it is against the law to distribute the medication. OD deaths are more common with hard drugs than pills around here but the liability and charges could be the same. Not sure if that is what you were thinking about here or not?

I have been staying away from the arguments on parents who may or may not think it's ok to nap with a young child awake but I will say that I personally would not and have not done it. I have narcolepsy and sometimes staying awake is very hard for me but if I am on parent duty I do whatever it takes. As a mom of 4 I know how it feels to be run down and sleep deprived but I feel like that is a part of being a mom. I won't bash a mom who sees things differently but I do think that napping with a younger child awake in the home increases the risk of an accident happening. Children just can't be trusted to listen to what you have said if you tell them to stay put and watch tv. Even the best behaved of children can get curious and disobey, they are kids and it happens

 

[vasportsmom]

I don't see any arguing, I just see discussing.


Suri Crowe @KSuri · 2h 2 hours ago

#BREAKING there will be a news conference today at 4 with Sheriff Jim Davis updating #NoahThomas case. I'll be there.

She's right on top of this case.

Psst, I see the problem. You're wearing rose colored glasses in a snow storm.


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[winterrose]

Psst, I see the problem. You're wearing rose colored glasses in a snow storm.


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I'm trying to get the thread not to be shut down, esp while we're waiting for a presser. If the mods think we're fighting they'll shut it down.
LOL Many of us have been here in a snowstorm, and this isn't one.