GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #4

[winterrose]

I tripped my dog going down the stairs, by accident. He wasn't hurt. I was besides myself. How could I ALMOST hurt my puppy!

I know the feeling, my dog is always right under my feet and I'm so worried I'm going to trip over her, esp on the stairs when she's trying to beat me down to the bottom first.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

We don't know enough, Imo, to know if they deserve any empathy. We don't know what the specifcs are of what was done to Noah or the baby. Swatting a child in frustration vs. burning with cigarettes, for example. Both are illegal, but one is at least somewhat comprehensible as something people do, whether we agree or not. At this point, all sympathy should be with the victims, Noah and baby, Imo.

The very fact that Noah was put in a septic tank of all places shows ME I should have little or no sympathy for either one. Imo, one did it but the other one knew about it and covered it up.

It takes a special kind of 'parents' (cough-cough) to be able to do that and not say a word .....knowing their dead son is right outback in the septic tank among the waste they put him in.

Had they tried to seek help if they OD him on cough medicine or something like that I may could have mustered up an ounce of sympathy for them. But if they gave him illegal drugs that ounce would dwindle back down to zero.

IMO

 

[hockeymom4]

And Lisa Irwin

Malik Drummond and Myra Lewis.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

The very fact that Noah was put in a septic tank of all places shows ME I should have little or no sympathy for either one. Imo, one did it but the other one knew about it and covered it up.

It takes a special kind of 'parents' (cough-cough) to be able to do that and not say a word .....knowing their dead son is right outback in the septic tank dead among the waste they put him in.

Had they tried to seek help if they OD him on cough medicine or something like that I may could have mustered up an ounce of sympathy for them. But if they gave him illegal drugs that ounce would dwindle back down to zero.

IMO

I personally have been shocked that there are people who feel sympathy for them. Noah should be hunting easter eggs in the yard he loved to play in, but from all indications, the "poor parents" are the reason he is gone at 5 years of age. JMO

 

[Steleheart]

I am reading a lot trying to catch up, I missed a lot because of some physical problems. I was careful to not cast aspersions on this couple until it was made known. But even being careful I so wanted to keep an open mind.

I live on a dead end street, not a cul-de-sac, so when cars come down here we either know them or we don't. Too often they get to the end not realizing that the big yellow sign at the top of the road was actually accurate with the words "DEAD END". So they turn around and speed back up in their frustration. Sometimes I happen to be sweeping the street slowing meandering before I get out of their way with a tip of the hat and a friendly wave.

Neighbors. Someone is watching your children even if you aren't. More than 20 years ago I worked nights while my wife worked days. Getting some sleep was difficult. I would get into bed at 6 am. Her alarm would ring at 7. She let me sleep till 9 when she left for work. When the baby outgrew the crib it only took me 2 months to realize I was sleep deprived and we put the child in part time day care. I got to sleep till noon. Ahhhh.

So this family at the end of the street had two boys. The father worked 3rd shift like me and came home @ 7. Then the Mom went out to work. The 4 year old boy and his little brother were always out in the street - him on his bike and the little one trailing behind. They stopped in my driveway just about every day. One day the older boy asked if he could go in my house and get a glass of water. I said no, just go home and get a drink. He told me they were not allowed in the house because Dad was sleeping. I turned on the hose for them. They were just too vulnerable. I know the parents worked long days but I was always uneasy and kept an eye on those kids every day.

When they grew into teens and were driving, their friends were always trouble on my street, leaving rubber, tearing up lawns. 2 of them got arrested when I had enough after they drove over my mailbox. My neighbor across the street told me dude, you can't go calling the cops - they know where you live. I said "Joe, I watched you sweat putting in that lawn and now look at it."

I wished I had made a phone call when little Jeffy was 4 years old.

Noah, unbeknownst to him, may have saved little Abigail's life. What a price.

:cow:

 

[Steleheart]

And then - how did they even flush the toilet. SMH

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know the feeling, my dog is always right under my feet and I'm so worried I'm going to trip over her, esp on the stairs when she's trying to beat me down to the bottom first.

I know the feeling too. We have two doggies. One is a Malt-Poo and weighs around 18 pounds but our other dog is a Malti-Shi and weighs no more than 6 pounds soaking wet. They follow either me or my hubby wherever we go and are always underfoot when I am in the kitchen cooking. I told my hubby I think they have an invisible spring and its connected to our feet somehow because every time we put our feet on the floor they do too. We have to be mindful at all times they are right there with us so we don't step on either one accidentally.

One time I accidentally stepped on one of my kitties paws when I went to feed them and I tried to get off of his paw so fast that I fell. Broke two ribs and badly bruised my spleen when I fell against my hubby's lawnmower. The kitty was just fine.

 

[winterrose]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/p...cle_317ae1ed-ccc2-52cc-bb94-0ebfb2e94095.html

Hudgins said she initially heard that Noah was missing when White called her and asked if she had Noah.
“He would never just take off with someone. He wouldn’t even go with me unless he asked his mom,” Hudgins said.

Ashley was setting up scenarios even with family while they were searching for her child knowing where he was, just sayin'. Over the phone she was thanking people and telling them to keep doing what they're doing to help find Noah, according to the admin of Noah's page.

 

[mom2four717]

Is it accurate neither parent has any pictures or comments about their baby on FB?
Maybe they didn't use it much. Hard to say.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

When I heard he was found in the septic tank, I told my husband, I couldn't imagine anything that would ever make me put one of our beloved pets in there. There is no circumstance that could ever make me put a child there.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

Is it accurate neither parent has any pictures or comments about their baby on FB?
Maybe they didn't use it much. Hard to say.

His sister said they never used FB very often.

 

[Jan]

The police kept reporting that Noah's parents were very distraught. I have to wonder if they were distraught over having lost Noah and had another baby taken away, or if they were distraught because they knew they were going to be found out and sent to jail. There is a case right now in our area where a mother left her drug using boyfriend to babysit her 18 month old identical twin boys while she went to work. The boyfriend beat and suffocated the one twin (Ethan Schott) so he could go smoke weed with a friend. He was already on a tether awaiting trial on cocaine charges. The mom says she had no idea that her boyfriend was capable of doing something like that--yet she knew his background and it wasn't good. She had put on her facebook page how happy she was with this guy and how others who told her she was making bad choices could get lost. She said the guy always put her kids first--then he killed one of them for very selfish reasons. Now she has had the other twin taken away by CPS even though she hasn't been charged with anything. And the boyfriend is saying in court that he doesn't understand the charges! He is playing dumb. This is in Flint/Burton if anyone wants to look it up. You can get links on the Flint Police Operations facebook page. My daughter knows some of the family of the mom.

 

[hockeymom4]

Any sympathy or empathy I had for these so-called "parents" went out the window when we learned that they neglected and ABUSED TWO innocent children! (and most likely caused the death of one of them).

Frankly, I feel like vomiting reading how anyone can feel for these 2 evil beings. I don't give a rat's a** what THEY were going through at the time, or are going through now.
Boo-Fricken-Hoo.

People who abuse children are the lowest form of scum on the planet.

I will save my love, empathy and compassion for Noah and his baby sister, you know, the actual victims.

Unbelievable.

Just my opinion, but I don't feel comfortable with phrases like that. Even if it isn't meant to blame him, it just sounds like it is. Sorry.

WHAT? He is FIVE!!! His parents don't know better than to take drugs but their child should know not to touch them? You can call it what you want but that, my dear, IS victim blaming.


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Great posts! A child is gone and gone too soon and the people that brought him into the world and that he expected to love him the most failed him the greatest. I have no empathy or sympathy for them because of all of those emotions are focused on Noah. He IS the victim. Not the parents who neglected him.

 

[vasportsmom]

Is it accurate neither parent has any pictures or comments about their baby on FB?
Maybe they didn't use it much. Hard to say.

Their accounts appeared to have been unused since 2012ish.


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[courtneyb]

Great posts! A child is gone and gone too soon and the people that brought him into the world and that he expected to love him the most failed him the greatest. I have no empathy or sympathy for them because of all of those emotions are focused on Noah. He IS the victim. Not the parents who neglected him.

Yes, a thousand times yes.

 

[hockeymom4]

Just jumping in because I have to...
When a mother miscarries she is devastated. Her heart feels like it has been torn into a million pieces. I know, I have felt that gut wrenching pain several time.

When a child dies, I would imagine it to be a million times worse.

Great points, i can expand from our families experience. We have lost two children in our family, both under 5. One, was diagnosed and died 6 months after being diagnosed with rassmusssens encephalitis. The other, died in his sleep of a seizure. From talking with both of them ALL the time. They would say the saddest day or thing was the funeral, not even sure they would say that because they were both god awful. I do know because I have talked to all four parents and they have said, the death has been gut wrenching, horrible, devastating, horrific....or beyond. Three of the four parents have lost significant weight. One so much they look unhealthy. One set, stopped going to church and family functions and barely leaving the house, you don't do this because something makes you sad.

 

[vasportsmom]

Great posts! A child is gone and gone too soon and the people that brought him into the world and that he expected to love him the most failed him the greatest. I have no empathy or sympathy for them because of all of those emotions are focused on Noah. He IS the victim. Not the parents who neglected him.

Yes! Of these 3 only 1 is a victim

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[YidArmyRach]

Yes! Of these 3 only 1 is a victim

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Only a day after burying their little boy, and a few days after having their baby taken off them, and not even a single red, puffy eye between them. They don't even look remotely grief stricken. Did either of them even shed a tear?

"Mom" looks like she doesn't give a ****. In fact, she looks bored. Of the two, I'd say dad looks the more troubled. Had I not known the background I'd have thought they'd been booked in for some minor crime given the lack of emotion showing.


Edited to add, that's my favourite photo of Noah. He was such a gorgeous little boy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

His sister said they never used FB very often.

I did see Paul with a baby in his arms on his page. It looked like a little girl but it may have been Noah when he was little. The child was very adorable. She/he looked to be around 6 months old.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Only a day after burying their little boy, and a few days after having their baby taken off them, and not even a single red, puffy eye between them. They don't even look remotely grief stricken. Did either of them even shed a tear?

"Mom" looks like she doesn't give a ****. In fact, she looks bored. Of the two, I'd say dad looks the more troubled. Had I not known the background I'd have thought they'd been booked in for some minor crime given the lack of emotion showing.



Edited to add, that's my favourite photo of Noah. He's was such a gorgeous little boy.

ITA!

The dad looks stressed and sort of sad but the mom looks very odd to me in her expression. Sort of blank.