GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[AnnaGrace]

If there was any extra money raised beyond his funeral expenses, it went into an education fund for Abigail.

That's wonderful to hear. Maybe that fund could remain open for donations from those who would like to help this precious little one and a memorial to little Noah too!

 

[AnnaGrace]

There's an old church and cemetery, established in 1776 near me. It's beautiful! Twice I've gone there to look at all the really old headstones. The first time, shortly after I got there, the sky suddenly turned dark and a terrible thunderstorm broke loose. Needless to say, I got the H out of Dodge. The second time, my brakes got hot with smoke rolling out from under my vehicle, so after letting the brakes cool, I went home. I do plan to try again though. I've just got to read those stones!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi Guys - I'm running behind, not in reading, but in thanking all the great posts and definitely :grouphug: that are well deserved. I hate to be one to pile on, but Vasportsmom is the reason. She sent me some links which I have been immersed in.

Welcome to all new posters - KristaA and if there are any others I missed. Great board and great minds. Cannot wait for more information on sweet little Noah.

May I please ask when do you think new information will come out? I'm interested in the autopsy too.

 

[AnnaGrace]

Going off of CatsInTheCradle's post, wonder when we can expect more info? Sheriff Davis said results were coming in bits and pieces. Maybe not too much longer on an update?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

{{{hugs}}} to you, as well.

Bless your tiny, two-year-old heart.

Oh EllieBee..your hugs and post touched me si much as have all of the kind postings. I am 62 now and still struggle with how to feel about not knowing a father.
Sending hugs to all of you and to sweet Noah's loved ones and to the little friends that will never forget him.

 

[vasportsmom]

Going off of CatsInTheCradle's post, wonder when we can expect more info? Sheriff Davis said results were coming in bits and pieces. Maybe not too much longer on an update?

I'm afraid that the defense attorneys may try to block any additional info from being made public and we know that the Sheriff isn't likely to make any statements if he can get out of it. I hope we will at least get a COD when the charges are upgraded though.


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[Dogface]

Do we know which charges apply to each child? Are AW's more severe charges for Noah?

ETA: I only ask this because I do think it's possible, if drugs were involved and she was breastfeeding, these could apply to the sweet baby.

 

[ANonyMs]

But really...what does it hurt? When other children who end up in the news are found deceased, the place they were found is usually the spot where strangers and friends alike flock to leave things. The memorials are often photographed. This wasn't possible for poor Noah. I can understand why people are using his grave as his memorial spot and why people are mailing things to be put there. This is truly a sad case and Noah captured the hearts of many strangers from near and far. It takes all kinds in this world and we see this often. I guess it is why I am not bothered by it as much anymore.

To be honest, I think I am guilty of bringing a lot of my own prejudices in to the conversation. I also can't stand road side memorials for people killed in car accidents. Teddy bears stapled to trees that wilt in the rain and are soon blackened with pollution. Balloons placed there year after year. I am very much about public spaces being kept clean for everyone.

I detest litter in any form. I am the person who will go chasing across a parking lot if the tiniest piece of trash blows from my car. I see all of the grave site and memorial site "stuff" as potential litter. It makes me both sad and angry.

Also, I admittedly don't understand people who never knew the other person going to such lengths. Something about it strikes up my anxiety. It makes me uncomfortable. It seems a strange invasion of something intimate. But that is my own issue. I don't like public displays of intimate moments. There was a trend for a while with military couples to have professional photographs taken of themselves desperately clinging to one another with pained faces before they deployed and then they would share those pictures on social media. I felt sick every time I saw one. The bottom would drop out of my stomach. It felt like I was being forced to feel their pain.

When it comes to kids and grief, I am, personally, about taking a celebratory approach. A dear friend died when my daughter was 2.5 and we took her to the funeral. She was fascinated and respectful and we talked about what a great guy he was. We have been to his grave. We mark it with a tiny peeble each time.

I just have a hard time believing that all of those people decorating Noah's grave are doing it selflessly. If he were alive, it would be weird to have strangers sending him gifts.

I guess I am not finding the right words to express why it bothers me, but it is an actual physiological response for me. I can't turn that off.
And then add the environmental impact of the litter and I am absolutely opposed to it. I don't believe we have any right to litter, no matter how much we are grieving.

P.S. Thank you for pushing the issue, SeriouslySearching. I think it has been good to stretch my brain a little.

 

[ANonyMs]

If there was any extra money raised beyond his funeral expenses, it went into an education fund for Abigail.

Yes, and interestingly, they emphasized that it was ONLY for her education. I hope she is able to make use of that someday.

 

[KristiA]

I'm afraid that the defense attorneys may try to block any additional info from being made public and we know that the Sheriff isn't likely to make any statements if he can get out of it. I hope we will at least get a COD when the charges are upgraded though.


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I agree, vasportsmom. I think we will get the COD and not much more. Not only will the defense attorneys fight to keep details close, but the prosecutor as well. Neither side will want their case compromised.

 

[KristiA]

And I want to add that I respect LE for not making everything public knowledge. As much as I would like to know every last detail and piece of info, they don't owe the public anything. All we need to know is that the community is not in any immediate danger and that an arrest has been made. It's difficult for a nosey person like myself that wants every last fact to disect

 

[ANonyMs]

And I want to add that I respect LE for not making everything public knowledge. As much as I would like to know every last detail and piece of info, they don't owe the public anything. All we need to know is that the community is not in any immediate danger and that an arrest has been made. It's difficult for a nosey person like myself that wants every last fact to disect

Hear, hear!

 

[Steleheart]

(modsnip)

Thank you everyone. I always hurt when I'm on a missing child case.

But for sleuthing, I would like to move on - I would like to discuss Law enforcement charges as we know from the facts of the case, without making assumptions of upcoming murder charges and drug use we have no evidence of. Speculating from the mug shots did not sit well with me because mug shots always are taken in the worst circumstances. Emotions, illness and poisons do show in pictures, yes. But we have no facts.

So there was some good discussion regarding the charges and how they relate to both parents and both children, but I was left with confusion. Is it possible that those charges alone are enough to convict both parents in the death of NT? For instance even if an unknown person killed him and put him there, the fact that he was alone and unsupervised seems to me to be sufficient to support a conviction of neglect resulting in injury or death.
Did we have any previous posts showing the Law and the penalties on the current charges? Sorry if I lost track on that.

:cow:

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I personally feel these pokemon cards will play a very big and important part in little Noah's case.That's why I asked awhile ago where were they found or were they found. Where are these pokemon cards?

 

[courtneyb]

I personally feel these pokemon cards will play a very big and important part in little Noah's case.That's why I asked awhile ago where were they found or were they found. Where are these pokemon cards?

I wonder if the pokemon cards were purchased on their outing Saturday night, and that's why they were mentioned? Do we know where they went Saturday night? I thought I've read a couple different things; that they were at Walmart? And they got dinner somewhere with Jason and Katherine. Do we know any of that to be true?

 

[Queen Bee]

well i hope you saw my welcome kristi

(modsnip)

anyway.........a hearty welcome again

..:seeya:

 

[KristiA]

(modsnip)

I did! I had every intention to thank you and a few others, but I got sidetracked. My apologies. So, now I will give a blanket "thank you" to everyone for such a warm welcome to WS.

 

[vasportsmom]

I personally feel these pokemon cards will play a very big and important part in little Noah's case.That's why I asked awhile ago where were they found or were they found. Where are these pokemon cards?

I can not get those stupid cards out of my head. I know it was likely a clerical error since it only appeared one place and was missing on the updated flier (thanks go to Daisy for noticing that) but it really bugs me.


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[Steleheart]

IMO and not directed at anyone. We have no information on these pokemon cards at all. It appeared on the original flier, but was then removed so I see no basis for some kind speculation of plant by the parents. I don't think they were that smart or complicated. Someties these speculations and what-ifs grow legs and within 3 pages it's fact.

Maybe I missed some information on their existence?

JMO

 

[vasportsmom]

IMO and not directed at anyone. We have no information on these pokemon cards at all. It appeared on the original flier, but was then removed so I see no basis for some kind speculation of plant by the parents. I don't think they were that smart or complicated. Someties these speculations and what-ifs grow legs and within 3 pages it's fact.

Maybe I missed some information on their existence?

JMO

Not to point out the obvious but there are 3 posts discussing the cards and yours is the only one speculating about the parents.


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