GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[Tallula.Belle]

Well, again I am sorry I assumed because it could very well have been one of the other admins because now I found where the landlord daughter states that she is a family friend. So could be I misunderstood, orig. And your right, there seemed to be big time back peddling immediately after it was announced parents arrested. Strange.

You could be right. It seems at least to me, that certain things have been deleted from that page.

 

[vasportsmom]

BBM: the comment posted here, on the first thread, stated on MONDAY (it was posted Monday around 4pm iirc anyways) that weren't letting public in the house. That time and date is set here, so it was stated long before Noah was found. Could it be the Parents way of not letting the public know that the infant was no longer in their custody (speaking of what the friend said was told on Monday). Do we know for certain that LEO restricted anyone in the home?

My best guess is that it was to hide the fact that the baby had been taken. I do wonder if it was at the request of P&A or LE though. The Sheriff was determined to keep control of what info was released and I'm sure he knew that 2 of Paul's siblings were posting online so I can see him making the call to lock the house down.


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[CatsInTheCradle]

The article you linked to states, "White and Thomas currently face two counts each of abuse and neglect of Noah and Abigail."

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The Commonwealth Attorney (equivalent to a DA), Mike Fleenor, said his statement to the press the day the arrests were announced, stated, "Ashley Jennifer White and Paul Raymond Thomas were arrested today on felony warrants for the abuse and neglect of their child, Noah Terry Thomas. They were also arrested for the abuse and neglect of their surviving infant child, Abigail Thomas."

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I guess I don't understand what you are emphasizing in your post. Yes, the negligence led to Noah's death. That could mean they created an unsafe environment, they permitted something to happen through inaction, or their actions directly led to his death. Are you getting at possible murder, or the bond issue, or whether or not the charges were just for Noah or both children?

If negligence led to his death, I could see no murder charges, but maybe a lesser offense. However, if the abuse is what led to his death, wouldn't that be clear cut murder? Since "neglect and abuse" was used in the same sentence, do we know which is being referred to that "led to Noah's death?" Any insight or opinions appreciated.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Hate it when wake up thinking about stuff from WS Woke up with this thought:

Both parents are charged under same statute.
Paul's both are (B)... but there is a field on the jail intake that one line has an "F", the other has an "A"
Ashley's one is the more severe (A) and the other is (B), yet on both of these there is "A" for both fields

And on Ashley charges... I am thinking maybe the (B) with "A" & Paul's (B) with "A" are for Noah, and Ashley (A) "A" and Paul (B) with "F" is possibly for the baby. My reasoning is they took that child day after Noah was reported missing. Possible that if they did do any kind of medical testing, they didn't get any lab work back or medical reports back for few days for baby ... could be why they are awaiting the tox reports back on Noah. But that still doesn't explain the diff in dates. That most likely would be from info on the probable cause affidavit.

I am still reading thru a lot of comments and pages here and on media / fb... I saw comments where family was upset that they weren't allowed down to the Family home. Did anyone see any reports where the parents actually ever left the home? As I stated prior possible that maybe the family didn't want anyone to know the baby was gone from home, but if I understood some comments the family was there but weren't allowed down? Possible I misunderstood that. I also thought about the house arrest type thing someone here pondered, ... seems there would be a court order, filed for that. *I did see one quote from a clerk of the court in an article, that when asked if a search warrant for the home had been filed, clerk stated all records had been sealed on that case. So very possible that they were on house arrest... just my opinion.

 

[arkansasmimi]

FYI: Not sure if it has been posted, They have changed Ashley's marital status to SINGLE

Inmate Information

Marital Status: SINGLE State ID: VA2301398K
FBI: 383237EH0 INS:
Citizen: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COB: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

 

[arkansasmimi]

Well that was a bust lol. The lady at 540-643-2000 from the jail, said she had actually never looked at the page and wasn't sure what the field/tab label GRADE means. She stated she did know there were 2 diff levels of felony charges A & B. But didn't know what "A" and "F" ment in those fields on the inmate page.

 

[Schmaley]

The other thing that stands out to me this time reading is the info about the changing timeline. The last timeline they put out had her seeing him at 10:30 and calling LE at 11:30? I thought she called at 11:00? Sheriff Davis attrbutes the changes to the frenzy of the initial investigation but now looking at it...it seems messy (not his investigation...the story in general).

The article states: "Davis attributed the confusion in the timeline to the hectic nature of the investigation" which I think is a fair explanation and not nefarious.

I think sometimes I give the impression that I am in support of the parents and while that was true in the beginning, I am mostly trying to view this as objectively as possible.

 

[Schmaley]

FYI: Not sure if it has been posted, They have changed Ashley's marital status to SINGLE

Inmate Information

Marital Status: SINGLE State ID: VA2301398K
FBI: 383237EH0 INS:
Citizen: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COB: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

I think there are a lot of admin errors in this case. The charge date, basic logistics like marital stats, etc. That drives me crazy. It seems LE was so particular in the beginning, what happened? haha

 

[Schmaley]

If negligence led to his death, I could see no murder charges, but maybe a lesser offense. However, if the abuse is what led to his death, wouldn't that be clear cut murder? Since "neglect and abuse" was used in the same sentence, do we know which is being referred to that "led to Noah's death?" Any insight or opinions appreciated.

If negligence led to his death, I think that would qualify for at least manslaughter. Since manslaughter is when the perpetrator takes a high risk that ultimately leads to the death of another. Maybe one of our legal eagles could weigh in too. Like Gitana.

Ultimately, I think they are waiting on complete autopsy (perhaps to get several expert opinions), tox screen, etc before determining full responsibility.

 

[vasportsmom]

I think there are a lot of admin errors in this case. The charge date, basic logistics like marital stats, etc. That drives me crazy. It seems LE was so particular in the beginning, what happened? haha

Me too! I still want to know if the Pokemon cards were an error or something that LE was keeping quiet.


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[hmartin]

Me too! I still want to know if the Pokemon cards were an error or something that LE was keeping quiet.


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The Pokémon cards? I must have missed this? What are you talking about?

 

[vasportsmom]

The Pokémon cards? I must have missed this? What are you talking about?

I'm headed to store so no time to hunt first post and the poster is no longer available since he has been found but one of the missing people groups released a poster of Noah saying he had a tin of Pokemon cards with him. That was the only place it was ever mentioned.


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[AnnaGrace]

I'm headed to store so no time to hunt first post and the poster is no longer available since he has been found but one of the missing people groups released a poster of Noah saying he had a tin of Pokemon cards with him. That was the only place it was ever mentioned.


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That's the only place I saw that mentioned. But, it sure seemed strange at the time. Not trying to start anything here at all, it just struck me unusual for that to be added? It was like, if nobody saw him leave, how did they know he had a tin of Pokémon cards with him?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

The article you linked to states, "White and Thomas currently face two counts each of abuse and neglect of Noah and Abigail."

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The Commonwealth Attorney (equivalent to a DA), Mike Fleenor, said his statement to the press the day the arrests were announced, stated, "Ashley Jennifer White and Paul Raymond Thomas were arrested today on felony warrants for the abuse and neglect of their child, Noah Terry Thomas. They were also arrested for the abuse and neglect of their surviving infant child, Abigail Thomas."

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I guess I don't understand what you are emphasizing in your post. Yes, the negligence led to Noah's death. That could mean they created an unsafe environment, they permitted something to happen through inaction, or their actions directly led to his death. Are you getting at possible murder, or the bond issue, or whether or not the charges were just for Noah or both children?

There were some comments asking for links since people were discussing the role of Noah's parents in his death. The implication to me was that since they weren't charged with murder, people were out of line to blame the parents. So I was providing this article which had quotes from the arrest warrant clearly stating LE blames Noah's parents for his death, although specifics are not yet known and the charges currently only reflect what they can prove as of this time.

 

[cluciano63]

That's the only place I saw that mentioned. But, it sure seemed strange at the time. Not trying to start anything here at all, it just struck me unusual for that to be added? It was like, if nobody saw him leave, how did they know he had a tin of Pokémon cards with him?

I guess they were not in the trailer?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If negligence led to his death, I think that would qualify for at least manslaughter. Since manslaughter is when the perpetrator takes a high risk that ultimately leads to the death of another. Maybe one of our legal eagles could weigh in too. Like Gitana.

Ultimately, I think they are waiting on complete autopsy (perhaps to get several expert opinions), tox screen, etc before determining full responsibility.

Imo, the most interesting part of their charges are the abuse charges for Noah and mom's being a higher felony degree.

With his sister being alive they could visually see if she had been abused by her parents. Or they could have had her checked out by a doctor. Something valid sure made them remove her the day after Noah went missing.

So did the ME find abuse injuries on Noah at the time of autopsy and that is why they were both charged with abuse concerning Noah? That is what intrigues me. What forensic evidence did they find that supports the abuse charges for Noah since abuse is far different than neglect?

 

[Schmaley]

Imo, the most interesting part of their charges are the abuse charges for Noah and mom's being a higher felony degree.

With his sister being alive they could visually see if she had been abused by her parents. Or they could have had her checked out by a doctor. Something valid sure made them remove her the day after Noah went missing.

So did the ME find abuse injuries on Noah at the time of autopsy and that is why they were both charged with abuse concerning Noah? That is what intrigues me. What forensic evidence did they find that supports the abuse charges for Noah since abuse is far different than neglect?

I completely agree. Not to mention that they are being held without bail. That is a big red flag that these charges are likely not the end of it.

 

[hmartin]

I'm headed to store so no time to hunt first post and the poster is no longer available since he has been found but one of the missing people groups released a poster of Noah saying he had a tin of Pokemon cards with him. That was the only place it was ever mentioned.


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Oh yes yes I believe I saw that sorry.

 

[ANonyMs]

The article states: "Davis attributed the confusion in the timeline to the hectic nature of the investigation" which I think is a fair explanation and not nefarious.

I think sometimes I give the impression that I am in support of the parents and while that was true in the beginning, I am mostly trying to view this as objectively as possible.

I never said it was nefarious. The only single word I used differently from his direct quote was "frenzy" vs "hectic". I don't interpret your post as supporting the parents, but I am not sure what you interpret in mine as suggesting anything that Sheriff Davis has said or done as "nefarious" or that I am being less than objective. In fact, I am a pretty vocal supporter of LE in general and more specifically what I have seen from Sheriff Davis in this investigation. My point was that a number of us had questioned why there were so many changes to the Sunday morning timeline. In re-reading the article, it stuck out to me this time (in hind sight) that there was more going on than met the eye at the time.

 

[Schmaley]

I guess they were not in the trailer?

That was my assumption too that they assumed they were with Noah by process of elimination. It seems like a strange item to mention.