GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[CatsInTheCradle]

Both parents denied bond! I'm not surprised they admitted to leaving the children home alone while AW took PT to work, I figured that was the case from the beginning of this tragedy. Now we know baby A was sick, I think Noah was sick as well, I wonder if all four of them were sick with the flu or flu-like cold. I wish the video of the convenience store had been released to see what they bought that morning. I can't see the article that says AW's charges include giving Noah something that caused his death but if that is true I wonder if she came home with an OTC cold medicine for the store and gave him an adult dose. In a case like that poor Noah could have been dead in 20minutes or less.

BBM - I always thought that also. IF Noah was even alive at that point, they left him in charge of a sick infant.

 

[maureen718]

BBM - I always thought that also. IF Noah was even alive at that point, they left him in charge of a sick infant.

Yup, from the first time we heard the family took PT to work at 7am I thought nope AW took PT to work and they left those babies alone! something else I keep thinking is, did AW get back home and all was quiet so she went straight back to bed without even checking on her children?

 

[AnnaGrace]

If there was video of Noah on a family outing the evening before and I think it was said they went to a ball game, how did Noah seem then? Was he sick? Wasn't there a picture of him with some of his little friends at the ball game? Was the baby with them then? I think something must have happened either later that night or during the night. JMO

 

[AnnaGrace]

Yup, from the first time we heard the family took PT to work at 7am I thought nope AW took PT to work and they left those babies alone! something else I keep thinking is, did AW get back home and all was quiet so she went straight back to bed without even checking on her children?

I thought about that too. Especially with all the time changes of when she last saw him.

I wonder if it was something they did often to leave them home alone?

 

[courtneyb]

BBM - I always thought that also. IF Noah was even alive at that point, they left him in charge of a sick infant.

Their current charges do not include medical neglect, so I don't think them removing the baby had anything with her having a cold or cough. I think it's likely the baby was drugged with opiates/heroin which depresses respiratory function and she was probably still obviously under the influence when LE was called. Which may explain why the long time between Ashley getting home and calling LE, along with disposing of evidence and making the nap BS fit. I think she was waiting for the poor baby to "sober" up some.

On a side note, if she was regularly dosed with drugs to make her sleep, and her respiratory function was chronically depressed, it would cause her to have insufficient lung expansion and clearing which could lead to chronic respiratory illness or dysfunction. Also, the risk for aspirating vomit is very high when children are given narcotics, which can lead to respiratory infection or death. Which is what I tend to believe happened to Noah. That he aspirated on his own vomit and died as a result of being given either prescription or illegal drugs.

But I don't buy for one second that Ashley put him in the septic tank after bringing Paul to work, by herself, in broad daylight.


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[CatsInTheCradle]

Yup, from the first time we heard the family took PT to work at 7am I thought nope AW took PT to work and they left those babies alone! something else I keep thinking is, did AW get back home and all was quiet so she went straight back to bed without even checking on her children?

Perish the thought but very possible. I wondered to myself if she left them alone and Noah was supposed to be watching the baby - she got home and found he wasn't, and then she hurt Noah.

 

[AnnaGrace]

Their current charges do not include medical neglect, so I don't think them removing the baby had anything with her having a cold or cough. I think it's likely the baby was drugged with opiates/heroin which depresses respiratory function and she was probably still obviously under the influence when LE was called. Which may explain why the long time between Ashley getting home and calling LE, along with disposing of evidence and making the nap BS fit. I think she was waiting for the poor baby to "sober" up some.

On a side note, if she was regularly dosed with drugs to make her sleep, and her respiratory function was chronically depressed, it would cause her to have insufficient lung expansion and clearing which could lead to chronic respiratory illness or dysfunction. Also, the risk for aspirating vomit is very high when children are given narcotics, which can lead to respiratory infection or death. Which is what I tend to believe happened to Noah. That he aspirated on his own vomit and died as a result of being given either prescription or illegal drugs.

But I don't buy for one second that Ashley put him in the septic tank after bringing Paul to work, by herself, in broad daylight.


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I have a problem believing that too.

 

[tresptip]

So far I do not see 2 dangerous criminals here.I see 2 young parents who made some bad parenting choices that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.We still don't know the whole story.
For all we know maybe the kids were sleeping and they didn't want to wake them up and thought it would be safe to leave them in the few minutes they'd be gone.Maybe they only smoked their pot late at night in the bedroom.Maybe mom just didn't realize how bad of a cold the baby had.
This is so sad for all involved.

 

[~Lyric~]

Their current charges do not include medical neglect, so I don't think them removing the baby had anything with her having a cold or cough. I think it's likely the baby was drugged with opiates/heroin which depresses respiratory function and she was probably still obviously under the influence when LE was called. Which may explain why the long time between Ashley getting home and calling LE, along with disposing of evidence and making the nap BS fit. I think she was waiting for the poor baby to "sober" up some.

On a side note, if she was regularly dosed with drugs to make her sleep, and her respiratory function was chronically depressed, it would cause her to have insufficient lung expansion and clearing which could lead to chronic respiratory illness or dysfunction. Also, the risk for aspirating vomit is very high when children are given narcotics, which can lead to respiratory infection or death. Which is what I tend to believe happened to Noah. That he aspirated on his own vomit and died as a result of being given either prescription or illegal drugs.

But I don't buy for one second that Ashley put him in the septic tank after bringing Paul to work, by herself, in broad daylight.


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I agree! Something happen after they were seen the night before. In the still of the night......

 

[courtneyb]

So far I do not see 2 dangerous criminals here.I see 2 young parents who made some bad parenting choices that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.We still don't know the whole story.
For all we know maybe the kids were sleeping and they didn't want to wake them up and thought it would be safe to leave them in the few minutes they'd be gone.Maybe they only smoked their pot late at night in the bedroom.Maybe mom just didn't realize how bad of a cold the baby had.
This is so sad for all involved.

I don't consider the degree of abuse and neglect they've been charged with "bad parenting choices".

Nor putting your baby in the septic tank to cover up said choices.


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[tresptip]

You don't even know exactly what the charges are for.And where has it been confirmed that they put the baby in the septic tank?

 

[NSS]

So that also leads to the fact that she came back home around 7:45 and did not call police until 10:30?

Needed time for him to go missing and for the nap story.

 

[vasportsmom]

So far I do not see 2 dangerous criminals here.I see 2 young parents who made some bad parenting choices that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.We still don't know the whole story.
For all we know maybe the kids were sleeping and they didn't want to wake them up and thought it would be safe to leave them in the few minutes they'd be gone.Maybe they only smoked their pot late at night in the bedroom.Maybe mom just didn't realize how bad of a cold the baby had.
This is so sad for all involved.

You do realize that the kids are 5 years and 6 months, right? There is absolutely no justifiable reason for leaving children that age home alone.


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[courtneyb]

You don't even know exactly what the charges are for.And where has it been confirmed that they put the baby in the septic tank?

Nothing in that list of charges screams, "oops, I made a one time mistake." Have you read the charges? AW's charged with abuse/neglect that led to Noah's death. Their words, not mine.

And we do know that the lid was on the tank when they found him. Fairly certain Noah didn't replace the lid after he put himself in the tank.


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[NSS]

So far I do not see 2 dangerous criminals here.I see 2 young parents who made some bad parenting choices that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.We still don't know the whole story.
For all we know maybe the kids were sleeping and they didn't want to wake them up and thought it would be safe to leave them in the few minutes they'd be gone.Maybe they only smoked their pot late at night in the bedroom.Maybe mom just didn't realize how bad of a cold the baby had.
This is so sad for all involved.

A Bad parenting choice - a phrase that diminishes their responsibility, and minimises the trauma that 2 children suffered. Smoking pot (even late at night in your bedroom) is illegal, not a 'bad choice'.
What Bad Parenting Choice led to Noahs death?
Choices cause consequences ----- and when the consequences damage children, they should not be condoned. IMO

 

[tresptip]

Neglect that led to his death could be that they left him home unattended which caused his death.
Nobody still knows how he ended up in the septic tank.It has not been confirmed that it wasn't an accident.

 

[tresptip]

Excuse me ,but where did I say I condoned it? I think you all need to take a break.You are seeing things that don't exist.

 

[tresptip]

You do realize that the kids are 5 years and 6 months, right? There is absolutely no justifiable reason for leaving children that age home alone.


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Where did I say it was OK? Don't say I have said things that I never said.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There is no excuse for leaving a baby and 5 year old at home alone ever. They deserve everything they get even if they didn't put him there. They didn't protect either child and it resulted in a death.

They haven't charged anyone for murder or manslaughter in this case so those charges may solely depend on the final results of the toxicology screen. Tresptip is correct in stating no one knows yet how he ended up in the septic tank and it could still be accidental.

 

[courtneyb]

Ok, but the lid was ON the tank. It was closed.

This has been discussed ad nauseum at this point.

I do suggest reading the charges for AW, that should clear it up for you. Be warned, it includes the words "mutilation, forced ingestion of illegal substances" and "physical injury".


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