VA VA - Ralph Leon Jackson, Blue Ridge Parkway Shooter, 4 May 2010

[Nadal]

DeAngelo was the police. He knew what cops compared what they looked for. He still had an impulse to rape and kill as bad or worse than the need to use drugs. Eventually they screw up, get old or go to jail.
I agree there are no criminal masterminds or evil geniuses. Ted Bundy used his own name and was rejected by one if not more women at Lake Sammanish who didn't buy his boat scam. He kidnapped two women separately that day but still he used his name people could recognize him and his car. He was lucky, and white, not brilliant. I think we tend to think killers are smarter or more clever than us when really they just don't care. They don't have feelings like most people so they aren't riddled with guilt when they do horrible things we can't really understand. Their only advantage is that they are socio/psychopaths.

Israel Keyes drove around the country using his victims credit card and attempted to extort her family. That's the main reason i've always been skeptical of his claims as that was incredibly stupid. And yeah totally agreed with what you said.

 

[cherrymeg]

Israel Keyes drove around the country using his victims credit card and attempted to extort her family. That's the main reason i've always been skeptical of his claims as that was incredibly stupid. And yeah totally agreed with what you said.

Did they confirm he had more than one victim?

 

[Nadal]

That's the case you will not find that much on him. I do not think he went crazy aged 56. The DA at the time and his lawyer did not think that. Also he did not want to plead guilty at first so do not get fooled by that one either. It is not for me to tell you what to do but do not get too bogged down with my cases and keep looking at the other one on here

Also he said he wouldn't have plead guilty if he knew his mental state and health was admissable, he'd have just taken his chances. Basically the lawyer gave him terrible advice and it screwed him because then the question became would Jackson have plead guilty for a plea deal anyway if it was and the judges were convinced of that while agreeing he was misadvised.

 

[Nadal]

Did they confirm he had more than one victim?

Three. There's no complete proof that he killed the elderly couple but LE were convinced. He said he killed an elderly couple in upstate NY and that he didn't know their names, he gave a location of the bodies and when LE went to check it turned out the shed had been demolished. Apparently the demolition crew said it smelt like a dead body which is what convinced them.

 

[cherrymeg]

Three. There's no complete proof that he killed the elderly couple but LE were convinced. He said he killed an elderly couple in upstate NY and that he didn't know their names, he gave a location of the bodies and when LE went to check it turned out the shed had been demolished. Apparently the demolition crew said it smelt like a dead body which is what convinced them.

Serious hard evidence [shake my head]. I call BS on him.

 

[jaejae]

Also he said he wouldn't have plead guilty if he knew his mental state and health was admissable, he'd have just taken his chances. Basically the lawyer gave him terrible advice and it screwed him because then the question became would Jackson have plead guilty for a plea deal anyway if it was and the judges were convinced of that while agreeing he was misadvised.

Serious hard evidence [shake my head]. I call BS on him.

Maybe you are right but in my world Mr Jackson's case was already very much a Federal one where nothing happens without being signed off by the Director himself and three have had the experience of knowing the late ralphman.

 

[cherrymeg]

@Nadal Henry Lee Lucas confessed to crimes he didn't commit.

 

[Nadal]

Serious hard evidence [shake my head]. I call BS on him.

I'm skeptical leaning towards mostly lying. It is true that he travelled the country extensively and i believe a kill kit was recovered but i'm not positive on that. I think he was mostly a thief and bank robber who escalated to murder or that he only has a few others. He basically implied to LE that he had killed a lot of people but he didn't want to tell them because he didn't want his child reading about the details of his sexual crimes. That doesn't make sense to me though firstly because he knew he was being taped saying this, and also because it's public record that he raped Samantha. Is his kid going to suddenly lose respect only after he committed more than one rape? It's nonsensical to me. I think he wanted notoriety or was mostly trolling because he knew people would track down his entire history to figure out what crimes he committed. That or he was trying to get himself a deal where he'd get a speedy execution which is what he was asking for in the interview, he did kill himself so that obviously wasn't a bluff that he wanted to die.

 

[cherrymeg]

Maybe you are right but in my world Mr Jackson's case was already very much a Federal one where nothing happens without being signed off by the Director himself and three have had the experience of knowing the late ralphman.

If I had to be stuck in a room with Jackson or DeAngelo, I would choose Jackson. DeAngelo I really believe raped and murdered women.

 

[Nadal]

Maybe you are right but in my world Mr Jackson's case was already very much a Federal one where nothing happens without being signed off by the Director himself and three have had the experience of knowing the late ralphman.

What makes you think that though? That's what i've been asking for this whole thread mate. I've just read about him a bunch tonight, before looking into him it was definitely weird that he decided to carry out his first violent crime at nearly 60 but after researching him very plausible explanations emerged. I don't think he was a big deal to the FBI at all. Plus why on earth would they cover this up? Makes not a bit of sense, it'd be another 8 years before they arrested DeAngelo if they knew it was Jackson why wouldn't they have just charged him in 2010?

 

[cherrymeg]

I'm skeptical leaning towards mostly lying. It is true that he travelled the country extensively and i believe a kill kit was recovered but i'm not positive on that. I think he was mostly a thief and bank robber who escalated to murder or that he only has a few others. He basically implied to LE that he had killed a lot of people but he didn't want to tell them because he didn't want his child reading about the details of his sexual crimes. That doesn't make sense to me though firstly because he knew he was being taped saying this, and also because it's public record that he raped Samantha. Is his kid going to suddenly lose respect only after he committed more than one rape? It's nonsensical to me. I think he wanted notoriety or was mostly trolling because he knew people would track down his entire history to figure out what crimes he committed. That or he was trying to get himself a deal where he'd get a speedy execution which is what he was asking for in the interview, he did kill himself so that obviously wasn't a bluff that he wanted to die.

People wrote books that are based on him being a big serial killer without proof. He died infamous.

 

[Nadal]

People wrote books that are based on him being a big serial killer without proof. He died infamous.

Yeah, it's just such a weird story and the circumstances of his life and how much of it is unknown make it seem like he could be telling the truth even though there's no proof. Plus he was believable, everybody knows serial killers are liars so the only way they could truly convince people is with actions and he killed himself after saying he'd only give up details if the state killed him quickly. That's gonna make people think he died with hidden bodies whether he did or not.

 

[jaejae]

What makes you think that though? That's what i've been asking for this whole thread mate. I've just read about him a bunch tonight, before looking into him it was definitely weird that he decided to carry out his first violent crime at nearly 60 but after researching him very plausible explanations emerged. I don't think he was a big deal to the FBI at all. Plus why on earth would they cover this up? Makes not a bit of sense, it'd be another 8 years before they arrested DeAngelo if they knew it was Jackson why wouldn't they have just charged him in 2010?

Thanks for the interest. Unless I am crazy which might be the case the potential crimes of Ralph Jackson are my thing and I have studied them for years. My reasoning is he is a real life Michael Myers and the most prolific offender in California by 1986 and yet from Virginia. I believe he committed crimes all over the US and maybe Canada as well and it is a quirk of the case he was finally caught for a crime within site of his home. So although he was a Virginian he travelled all over but had a fixed base in Virginia so to speak. Due to the scale of his crimes there is a problem with identifying him and the decision was probably taken to identify him for many of his crimes at the same time and I believe the FBI or some of it will have been working the case in a conscientious way. The problem is the scale of the crimes imagine a real life Michael Myers coming to life with all those crimes. There is even more of a problem now as in my opinion some innocent people are being incarcerated for his crimes. Jackson would never have made it or trial for all those crimes and he was dying of prostrate cancer at the time of his arrest and even with him his luck ran out and father time caught up with him. Thanks.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yeah, it's just such a weird story and the circumstances of his life and how much of it is unknown make it seem like he could be telling the truth even though there's no proof. Plus he was believable, everybody knows serial killers are liars so the only way they could truly convince people is with actions and he killed himself after saying he'd only give up details if the state killed him quickly. That's gonna make people think he died with hidden bodies whether he did or not.

If you can kill one or two people you can lie about killing more. Ending your own life leaves all these unanswered questions, and because you're dead you can't even get tripped up and caught telling lies. Eventually, people do expect bodies.

 

[Nadal]

My reasoning is he is a real life Michael Myers and the most prolific offender in California by 1986 and yet from Virginia. I believe he committed crimes all over the US and maybe Canada as well and it is a quirk of the case he was finally caught for a crime within site of his home. So although he was a Virginian he travelled all over but had a fixed base in Virginia so to speak.

Do you even know if he was ever in California? How do you know he travelled around, we can confirm Israel Keyes did how did you figure out Ralph did? If you haven't confirmed that and can't show evidence of it then this is basically creative fiction, sorry. All i can confirm is he was brought up in Virginia, his mother couldn't cope with him and his sick brother so she sent him to live with his grandparents then later he moved to West Virginia and back to Virginia at some point. He could have been born in Missouri if that autopsy is right and have connection to Kansas and he may have been in the military in 1963. I can back all of that up with links can you back up any of your claims?

 

[jaejae]

Do you even know if he was ever in California? How do you know he travelled around, we can confirm Israel Keyes did how did you figure out Ralph did? If you haven't confirmed that and can't show evidence of it then this is basically creative fiction, sorry. All i can confirm is he was brought up in Virginia, his mother couldn't cope with him and his sick brother so she sent him to live with his grandparents then later he moved to West Virginia and back to Virginia at some point. He could have been born in Missouri if that autopsy is right and have connection to Kansas and he may have been in the military in 1963. I can back all of that up with links can you back up any of your claims?

Really I know from years of research in cases in California and Virginia and beyond. That is the honest answer, Here though is a CCTV image from 1985 in Arizona and I believe it is Ralph Jackson:

http://3lq1ku40fh612q5lii5rfl0n.wpe.../uploads/2016/01/85-2073-Photo-SP-and-Vic.jpg

https://ktar.com/story/879408/phoenix-police-searching-for-suspects-in-brutal-1985-murder/

 

[Nadal]

If you can kill one or two people you can lie about killing more. Ending your own life leaves all these unanswered questions, and because you're dead you can't even get tripped up and caught telling lies. Eventually, people do expect bodies.

Agreed, i think he'd have given them up if he could and i assume LE have checked his DNA against various crimes and have yet to connect him to anything. Admittedly the shed detail is weird but his description of that couple was very vague and he could have read about them while he was in the area and even known about the shed being demolished since it happened years before his arrest. If he did kill him i think it was most likely a robbery gone wrong and that may have even played into Samantha's death as she could've been the first person he kidnapped, it was incredibly sloppy for a mastermind. We'll likely never know though.

 

[jaejae]

Really I know from years of research in cases in California and Virginia and beyond. That is the honest answer, Here though is a CCTV image from 1985 in Arizona and I believe it is Ralph Jackson:

http://3lq1ku40fh612q5lii5rfl0n.wpe.../uploads/2016/01/85-2073-Photo-SP-and-Vic.jpg

https://ktar.com/story/879408/phoenix-police-searching-for-suspects-in-brutal-1985-murder/

As you may or may not see the fact I am struggling to post the image means it is him.

 

[Nadal]

Really I know from years of research in cases in California and Virginia and beyond. That is the honest answer, Here though is a CCTV image from 1985 in Arizona and I believe it is Ralph Jackson:

http://3lq1ku40fh612q5lii5rfl0n.wpe.../uploads/2016/01/85-2073-Photo-SP-and-Vic.jpg

https://ktar.com/story/879408/phoenix-police-searching-for-suspects-in-brutal-1985-murder/

Post some of these California and Virginia cases please and the reason for you suspecting Jackson.

Do you have any pictures of Jackson from around 1985 to compare it with? If not why do you think that's Jackson? Thanks though that's the sort of thing i've been asking for.

 

[Nadal]

As you may or may not see the fact I am struggling to post the image means it is him.