VA VA - Ralph Leon Jackson, Blue Ridge Parkway Shooter, 4 May 2010

[Nadal]

If you look at this image he lifts his foot up if you look at the trainers similar to the way the Visalia Ransacker was described as having a funny walk:

Dark Sleuth: Jeannette "Charlie" Atwater - 2000 Unsolved Murder in Billings, Montana

But you don't know if he's the Visalia Ransacker. That's based on you thinking he might have a tattoo because he was in the military and that you think old cancer ridden heart attack survivor Ralph resembles one of the many sketches of the Ransacker, that would've been 32 years earlier when Ralph was a healthy 25 year old you don't know what he would have looked like then.

 

[jaejae]

Do you know him? Are you related? Don't be offended I was just wondering.

I am not going to say I know but I just do from study. Pock marked face, aftershave, funny walk, the shape of his head. But I am not going to keep saying it because it does not sound great. I do not even live in the US but might be s distant relative from many years ago before his ancestors left on the Mayflower

 

[Nadal]

And he was never arrested before the shooting of that couple? Under any name?

I think he likely was arrested and spent time in prison for something minor. Saying that because the defence witness said he doesn't have any history of violence or aggression, you'd think it would mention that he had no criminal record if he didn't and it doesn't anywhere.

 

[jaejae]

But you don't know if he's the Visalia Ransacker. That's based on you thinking he might have a tattoo because he was in the military and that you think old cancer ridden heart attack survivor Ralph resembles one of the many sketches of the Ransacker, that would've been 32 years earlier when Ralph was a healthy 25 year old you don't know what he would have looked like then.

True but I have to work on what facts I have and there are the composite sketches. Plus I know what he looks like in 1985 in the CCTV in Arizona. I have to work with what I have and with all my evidence and obsession which is difficult to explain to others I am happy with my conclusions

 

[cherrymeg]

He was all over the place and definitely robbed a lot of stuff including banks, i could imagine robbery's gone wrong being the actual killings he did. I mean Samantha was an attempt at extortion and i think that was escalation because there's no other cases i'm aware of with attempted ransom that could fit him, think that's the first time he ever did anything like that. He killed her way before he asked for the ransom though so it's tough to figure out. I've always wondered what he spent the money on, whether he had a gambling or drug problem or whatever. He was taking cash from checkpoints with her card all over Alaska then he disappeared before turning up in Texas i think, sounds like that's what he did most of the time. He absolutely seems like someone who would gamble heavily to me but i've seen no comfirmation of that, he sort of reminds me of Joran van der Sloot that way.

Interesting. Gambling will eat money up. So will drugs. Casinos even though they are legit won't always stop someone when they are out of money or clearly not using their money to gamble with. They let people take out credit use their girlfriend or spouse to co-sign for the loan without being present. Drug dealers don't sell to you if you don't have cash. He was probably running around like it was free money and he was partying it up until the card ran out.

 

[cherrymeg]

I am not going to say I know but I just do from study. Pock marked face, aftershave, funny walk, the shape of his head. But I am not going to keep saying it because it does not sound great. I do not even live in the US but might be s distant relative from many years ago before his ancestors left on the Mayflower

You could have visited or worse he could have visited England.

 

[Nadal]

Interesting. Gambling will eat money up. So will drugs. Casinos even though they are legit won't always stop someone when they are out of money or clearly not using their money to gamble with. They let people take out credit use their girlfriend or spouse to co-sign for the loan without being present. Drug dealers don't sell to you if you don't have cash. He was probably running around like it was free money and he was partying it up until the card ran out.

I have no idea if he used drugs, if he did i could imagine it being cocaine he just seems like the type. If he had a vice gambling would be my first guess, to me it seems he was desperate for large amounts of money all the time, reminds me of the Craigslist killer who was engaged and seemingly had a great life ahead of him but got a horrible gambling addiction which lead to him robbing and eventually killing sex workers he met on Craigslist. Israel was married with a kid and apparently people thought he was normal although you never really hear about the people in his life.

 

[cherrymeg]

I have no idea if he used drugs, if he did i could imagine it being cocaine he just seems like the type. If he had a vice gambling would be my first guess, to me it seems he was desperate for large amounts of money all the time, reminds me of the Craigslist killer who was engaged and seemingly had a great life ahead of him but got a horrible gambling addiction which lead to him robbing and eventually killing sex workers he met on Craigslist. Israel was married with a kid and apparently people thought he was normal although you never really hear about the people in his life.

I'm surprised he didn't kill prostitutes during that time. That makes me think he might have messed a robbery/ransom with a death. Maybe he wasn't a prolific serial killer just a thief on a bender.

 

[jaejae]

Here is a report about data use in the effort to solve crimes:

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[Nadal]

I'm surprised he didn't kill prostitutes during that time. That makes me think he might have messed a robbery/ransom with a death. Maybe he wasn't a prolific serial killer just a thief on a bender.

Yeah, honestly i have no idea how to figure Israel out that's why i leave open the possibility of him telling the truth despite leaning to liar. Personally, i think money was his main motive with Samantha, horrible to put it this way but i think the rape was simply a "may as well" since he knew he was never getting out if he got caught, even if he didn't kill her he wasn't getting out til he was an old man, armed robbery and armed kidnapping and he was in his mid 30s. I don't think sex was a big motivator with him, i sort of buy into him being content with his wife or she'd have probably hated him and came out with a lot of horrible stories about him, maybe he just wasn't a very sexually driven person. Who knows though that may be the impression he wants to give and i've bought it, he apparently admired Ted Bundy and he drew attention to possible horrendous sex crimes (other than Samantha) he committed when if he wanted to keep them secret he could've just kept his mouth shut. Kind of sounds like he was trying to draw comparisons with Bundy when he wasn't as sexually motivated as Ted.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yeah, honestly i have no idea how to figure Israel out that's why i leave open the possibility of him telling the truth despite leaning to liar. Personally, i think money was his main motive with Samantha, horrible to put it this way but i think the rape was simply a "may as well" since he knew he was never getting out if he got caught, even if he didn't kill her he wasn't getting out til he was an old man, armed robbery and armed kidnapping and he was in his mid 30s. I don't think sex was a big motivator with him, i sort of buy into him being content with his wife or she'd have probably hated him and came out with a lot of horrible stories about him, maybe he just wasn't a very sexually driven person. Who knows though that may be the impression he wants to give and i've bought it, he apparently admired Ted Bundy and he drew attention to possible horrendous sex crimes (other than Samantha) he committed when if he wanted to keep them secret he could've just kept his mouth shut. Kind of sounds like he was trying to draw comparisons with Bundy when he wasn't as sexually motivated as Ted.

Rape isn't about sex it's power. If you've already kidnapped someone, robbed them, you are taking whatever. Rape is a way to show someone you are serious about robbing them, it's one of the most violating things you can do to someone. It's what women are afraid of. Some of these guys seem to have two lives. I think Ted Bundy's girlfriend found weird things in his car she also reported him to police. He wasn't violent with her or her child, he could be normal and charming. You wouldn't know he was raping and killing women and disposing of their bodies while sometimes going back to have sex with the remains. That is probably something most people wouldn't jump to if their boyfriend was moody or distant. There is no good way of saying you are so sexual you have sex with decaying bodies. I think he liked Bundy's celebrity and maybe didn't pay attention to the necrophilia lol. I know I'm stuck on that. When they are with their girlfriends, wives, families they compartmentalize.

 

[Nadal]

Rape isn't about sex it's power. If you've already kidnapped someone, robbed them, you are taking whatever. Rape is a way to show someone you are serious about robbing them, it's one of the most violating things you can do to someone. It's what women are afraid of. Some of these guys seem to have two lives. I think Ted Bundy's girlfriend found weird things in his car she also reported him to police. He wasn't violent with her or her child, he could be normal and charming. You wouldn't know he was raping and killing women and disposing of their bodies while sometimes going back to have sex with the remains. That is probably something most people wouldn't jump to if their boyfriend was moody or distant. There is no good way of saying you are so sexual you have sex with decaying bodies. I think he liked Bundy's celebrity and maybe didn't pay attention to the necrophilia lol. I know I'm stuck on that. When they are with their girlfriends, wives, families they compartmentalize.

I know that about rape, me mentioning sex was in reference to you mentioning prostitutes. I don't think he would've visited them because he doesn't come across like a sexually driven person to me and they didn't hold the amounts of money he wanted.

The thing about Bundy is about 50% (just a guess obv) of the women he knew or approached as potential victims found him very creepy, i think there's a point were charm and confidence reaches such a convincing level that it becomes unnerving and feels obviously fake, like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. You don't have to be immensely slick and engaging to interest people, that can come across very overbearing and concerning to some people. Ann Rule wasn't one of the ones who saw through him though, she thought he was innocent until like the 500th piece of evidence, christ probably denial and it's understable of course.

Honestly, maybe Israel didn't have any actual interest or "admiration" of Bundy but he heard the comparisons or was aware they would be made so he played into them for notoriety since Ted is the most notorious American Serial Killer.

 

[cherrymeg]

I know that about rape, me mentioning sex was in reference to you mentioning prostitutes. I don't think he would've visited them because he doesn't come across like a sexually driven person to me and they didn't hold the amounts of money he wanted.

The thing about Bundy is about 50% (just a guess obv) of the women he knew or approached as potential victims found him very creepy, i think there's a point were charm and confidence reaches such a convincing level that it becomes unnerving and feels obviously fake, like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. You don't have to be immensely slick and engaging to interest people, that can come across very overbearing and concerning to some people. Ann Rule wasn't one of the ones who saw through him though, she thought he was innocent until like the 500th piece of evidence, christ probably denial and it's understable of course.

Honestly, maybe Israel didn't have any actual interest or "admiration" of Bundy but he heard the comparisons or was aware they would be made so he played into them for notoriety since Ted is the most notorious American Serial Killer.

I was picturing Keyes more in an manic upswing where it's drugs, gambling, everything is fast and consequences are another day's problem. The down side is depression and sometimes reality depending what you spent or did. My ex was like that without the murder or being a decent guy when he was around lol.

 

[cherrymeg]

I know that about rape, me mentioning sex was in reference to you mentioning prostitutes. I don't think he would've visited them because he doesn't come across like a sexually driven person to me and they didn't hold the amounts of money he wanted.

The thing about Bundy is about 50% (just a guess obv) of the women he knew or approached as potential victims found him very creepy, i think there's a point were charm and confidence reaches such a convincing level that it becomes unnerving and feels obviously fake, like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. You don't have to be immensely slick and engaging to interest people, that can come across very overbearing and concerning to some people. Ann Rule wasn't one of the ones who saw through him though, she thought he was innocent until like the 500th piece of evidence, christ probably denial and it's understable of course.

Honestly, maybe Israel didn't have any actual interest or "admiration" of Bundy but he heard the comparisons or was aware they would be made so he played into them for notoriety since Ted is the most notorious American Serial Killer.

Ann Rule's a 'Stranger Beside Me' was like a fangirl book. Israel didn't want to be a a Green River killer he wanted to get that Bateman swager. He wanted to claim victims people were looking for. He could have lied and said he dumped dead prostitutes off highways - he probably could have actually claimed bodies. He wanted people that had cops asking questions.

 

[jaejae]

Here is a report from the New York Times about the use of genetic genealogy and the recent forensic conference:

Playing Catch a Killer With a Room Full of Sleuths

 

[Nadal]

I was picturing Keyes more in an manic upswing where it's drugs, gambling, everything is fast and consequences are another day's problem. The down side is depression and sometimes reality depending what you spent or did. My ex was like that without the murder or being a decent guy when he was around lol.

I think he definitely was during everything with Samantha, he had to travel all over Alaska and reach different cashpoints, he stopped going to them as soon as LE were sent to monitor cashpoints but i don't remember it ever being confirmed that he spotted LE at one, possibly was the case i haven't read about this case in ages. After that he didn't turn up again until Texas, he probably saved most of the withdrawn Alaska money went to somewhere like Las Vegas and splurged then travelled to Texas when he was running low because he knew they would look for information on a big spender locally and that's where he withdrew again then was caught. Just a guess i have no clue what he did, he was purposely frustratingly vague, his story was very interesting so you'd think his interviews would be too but he just mumbles and laughs and repeats himself for hours from what i remember.

He seemed to go dormant for months at a time though which makes you wonder about his self-control. I didn't consider this but i've mentioned serial killers as the person Keyes reminds me off but after discussing this he reminds me of my brother in-law more than anything. Hard worker, great father, everyone always thinks he's incredibly nice and normal but he has had extreme gambling issues and has been in and out of prison since he was 17 (he's 38 now) due to it. He has four kids with my sister and she told him she would leave him if he didn't stop drinking because he was always aggressive and beat her once while drunk. This was like 13 years ago and he hasn't beat her since, but what he does is mysteriously disappears for a day 2-3 times a year and it's clearly him having saved up money to drink and gamble with. Thankfully he's learned control to the point that he's able to heavily moderate it, that's what i think Israel has done seems like he had a genuine connection with his wife and/or son that he couldn't give up that's now making me somewhat reconsider the "i don't want my son to see my sexual crimes" part even though it's still nonsensical.

Not comparing my brother in-law to Israel Keyes i just think that's the reason i can really see Keyes as a heavy gambler.

 

[cherrymeg]

I think he definitely was during everything with Samantha, he had to travel all over Alaska and reach different cashpoints, he stopped going to them as soon as LE were sent to monitor cashpoints but i don't remember it ever being confirmed that he spotted LE at one, possibly was the case i haven't read about this case in ages. After that he didn't turn up again until Texas, he probably saved most of the withdrawn Alaska money went to somewhere like Las Vegas and splurged then travelled to Texas when he was running low because he knew they would look for information on a big spender locally and that's where he withdrew again then was caught. Just a guess i have no clue what he did, he was purposely frustratingly vague, his story was very interesting so you'd think his interviews would be too but he just mumbles and laughs and repeats himself for hours from what i remember.

He seemed to go dormant for months at a time though which makes you wonder about his self-control. I didn't consider this but i've mentioned serial killers as the person Keyes reminds me off but after discussing this he reminds me of my brother in-law more than anything. Hard worker, great father, everyone always thinks he's incredibly nice and normal but he has had extreme gambling issues and has been in and out of prison since he was 17 (he's 38 now) due to it. He has four kids with my sister and she told him she would leave him if he didn't stop drinking because he was always aggressive and beat her once while drunk. This was like 13 years ago and he hasn't beat her since, but what he does is mysteriously disappears for a day 2-3 times a year and it's clearly him having saved up money to drink and gamble with. Thankfully he's learned control to the point that he's able to heavily moderate it, that's what i think Israel has done seems like he had a genuine connection with his wife and/or son that he couldn't give up that's now making me somewhat reconsider the "i don't want my son to see my sexual crimes" part even though it's still nonsensical.

Not comparing my brother in-law to Israel Keyes i just think that's the reason i can really see Keyes as a heavy gambler.

This sounds like my ex. He once disappeared for a weekend when he had his own place. I'm there and I'm like do I throw a party, fake concern (incase he is dead). He calls days later saying he was in jail. I can tell it's BS because he actually had a job and he would have wanted out. He was playing paintball in upstate PA. I could also track his debit card statements lol. Anytime he would go off the rails it would start with weird lies, random amounts of money being withdrawn, money spent on any credit or debit card that was mine. This would be the point where he wouldn't show up for work or he would get into fights with coworkers. I can see the appeal of someone keeping their crazy difficult side from you.

 

[jaejae]

Here is another report in the debate about the use of genetic genealogy by LE to identify potential offenders in serious crime cases:

Guest opinion: Private DNA should stay out of the government’s hands

 

[jaejae]

Here is a page where there is a collection of most of the recent reports about investigative genetic genealogy and other forensics related articles:

https://www.ishinews.com/fs-news-week-of-september-30-2019/

 

[jaejae]

Here is another report in the debate about the use of genetic genealogy by LE to identify potential offenders in serious crime cases:

Guest opinion: Private DNA should stay out of the government’s hands

My arguments on the use of genetic genealogy are not political ones. They are based on my belief that innocent people are being wrongly accused by a flawed genetic genealogy science that LE and the genealogists using it do not understand. This harms people of all political persuasions and of all ethnic backgrounds. If his lawyers are reading I believe that man in Alabama has been wrongly accused of crimes in the same way Mr DeAngelo was in the Golden State Killer case. It is my belief that the Washington State case was a wrongful conviction after information about the flaws and misidentifications were not entered into his defence. It is a lot to be up against if LE present a mistake as indisputable fact because they do understand how the mistake has happened. So in my opinion the argument being presented by the genealogists that they have solved cases is a misleading one as they have actually harmed many innocent people in my opinion:

Paul Holes Retweeted
Institute for DNA Justice‏ @iminforjustice 10h10 hours ago
Law enforcement DOES NOT have the ability to "search" or go on "fishing expeditions" in @FamilyTreeDNA or @gedmatch matching databases. Share. Speak up. Fight back with facts!
Guest opinion: Private DNA should stay out of the government’s hands