GUILTY VA - Shannon Gore charged in death of infant, child abuse, Hayes, 2011

  • #461
Ok I get that maybe they didnt want parents to know she was pregnant. But that still doesnt explain why in the world would you starve your child and cage her like an animal! That's the part I dont get.

Oh and the 7 month old just stopped breathing??? Riiiight. When? After they beat him to death? Give me a break. There is something up. I dont believe the parents didnt know. Or another family member or a friend. Someone had to see or know something.

No prenatal care? Just trying to hide a pregnancy doesnt mean no prenatal care.
 
  • #462
My theory, based on the timeline we have and Shannon and Brians ages, is that when Shannon graduated high school she could have only been 17, considering she is now 25 and its graduation time of year. I dont know that we have Shannons birthday, but at the time she was 17 Brian would have been 21 years old, and had she gotten pregnant at 17, theres the motive for hiding baby number 1. He was much older and could face time for statutory rape, especially if her parents were strict or didnt like how much older he was. Being in the last few months of my "teen years" (I turn 20 in Oct.), I completely understand being young and in love, and not wanting to get the guy I loved in trouble (When I was 17 I was a few days late and my bf at the time decided we should just run away to another state and tell no one, it was an option for him based on family values and not wanting to see his family disappointed (I would have never done it, but I wasnt in love with a guy 5 years older either.), NOT that I'm justifying this at all, I've just been really thinking about this little girl and did the math and it seems to add up this way, and it seems to be more logical than they breed these poor babies for whatever reason.)or, I would also understand being the much younger person in the relationship, the innocent one (so to speak, she was only 17, and no matter what the crime you're still young and stupid at that age), and the much older, and smarter (not much in his case) guy in the relationship taking control. Maybe she was young and really loved him, maybe she didnt want to lose him, MAYBE, she was scared of him. My timeline is this:

2003- 17 year old Shannon Smith graduated HS and shortly after got pregnant (under age!) by Brian, who was then 21, and they hid this pregnancy for fear of him going to jail.

Nov. 2004- Baby number 1 (Or Sunshine, as you all have been calling this poor baby) was born at home with no doctors and only exists to the couple who had the little girl.
(Based on BGs lies so far, and Jinxys inside scoop, I'm not sure whether or not to believe that the little boy was only 7 months in 2007 when he allegedly died of natural causes (started having breathing problems) like BG says. So we really dont know when this baby was born. Could they have been twins? It would make a little more sense, but would go on the opposite when hiding the pragnancy.)

2005- The couple moved into their trailer, if the birth of the child was in Nov. (Basing this timeline off the one posted by Capri, however nothing in this story seems to stay the same for long) then they would have only hidden this child a couple months before moving depending on how early in 05 they moved, and we dont know if they had lived together before, so it might not have been hard. (Also if the child was born in Nov. Shannon would have concieved around February, meaning the better part of her pregnancy was after Summer, making it somewhat easier to hide.)

2007- Their little boy died of "natural causes" (breathing trouble)
(I don't believe much of what BG has said, however, if he is telling the truth that he was alone with the baby and did not seek medical help, out of lack of caring for the baby, or out of fear that the lie he was living would get out, letting the baby boy die.) (Or, had BG gotten frustrated or something happened that he did murder this poor baby boy, where could Shannon go without people thinking she was crazy?)
Shannon comes home to the reality that her non-existant little boy is dead. She would have been 21, still somewhat young, and honestly living a lie like that for so long would definitly make someone a little(/lot) bit on the crazy side. Also losing a child comes with a lot of greif and baggage, (Assuming her lawyers story about loving the kids, just hiding them, is true. Which I think that there is no mother in the world that doesnt feel that mother child connection. Also these kids had to be taken care of at some point, especially when they were really young. And I dont believe she would have kept two children she didnt care about, she would have had an abortion or dropped the babies off somewhere.) greif that she couldnt share with anyone, after all, this little boy isn't real to anyone she knew. Something like that would send a mother who loved her child into a deep depression, a depression she had to hide. Maybe she was so deep in herself, in the lie she had lived, that she couldnt be in the lie anymore so she wanted it to go away, maybe, maybe, maybe. We may never know the actual reason for the little girl going into the crib, but so far it would make sense, and that much trauma to a person could make them do anything. She could have just no been able to bear looking at her baby girl, especially if the two were twins, maybe the girl was older and a witness, maybe she gave up, maybe, since BG was the one to build the "cage", he was the instigator of the plan. If my theory about why they hid the pregnancy is correct, he would have been the boss. A lot of times males are dominant over women, he is a lot older and bigger than her, and he seems to really like her based on his FB/Myspace comment "Isn't she hot?". Maybe he was the one who was in control. He is talking a lot, so mayb he is trying to cover his behind. He also allegedly told a friend that he "got the worse stuff out of the house". There is much more to the story that we don't know, but my best bet is that Shannon was the innocent 17 year old who was in love with a control freak, not that she isnt guilty, because in my opinion they are both sick twisted fks. (OR, Maybe he really did love his wife and sa the pain she was in so he decided to try to protect her from it all by locking the little girl away)

2008- The two are engaged
2009- They are married
Summer 2010- BGs date for baby girl being locked up (Child they announced is conceived aroung June, reason for locking up little girl? Mom is seeing some light in the psycho tunnel and maybe they just decide to rewind back to the first little boy and start over, bury the secret inside themselves like it never happened????)
March 2011- Son Connor is born, mom somehow sees this as an opportunity for closure? Starts over when she had the first little boy?

AND now here we are, wondering how a mother could abandon one hidden child after tragically (or purposely) losing the other. (I believe Brian was alone at the time of the little boys death, which would have been tragic to her, unless it went the other way and he is the protector, but I cant see that scenario making sense, not even crazy person sense.)
 
  • #463
Wow sorry, really didnt mean for that to be so long!!
 
  • #464
I'm not sure they were living together 3 years ago. See this comment he left on her myspace. Sure doesn't sound like he was with her on Christmas to me.
Brian Gore Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Hope you got lots of good stuff.


3 years ago
 
  • #465
laker24- On that timeline, since I posted it, the move in together date has been in question. A couple of differing stories, so I'll say that maybe now is looking incorrect...but our local here, Jinxy, I believe said they've been living there since she moved in and that was in 2003, even earlier than I had posted (2005). Supposedly, Shannon should have graduated in 2003, but I havent confirmed that thru the school (has anyone found that?) It was posted in a news report, but the are sometimes wrong. I believe she attended there, but did she graduate? On one of her social sites she listed that school, as well as another "academy" that was a homeschool. I'll try to go back & look it up, but it made be wonder if she didn't drop out before graduating, and then finish at the "academy".

I think I'll go back and edit that "moved in together" date until we can say with more certainty. Now we have that post by tnjak above with Brian writing:
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Hope you got lots of good stuff.

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3 years ago
....soooooo I dunno.
 
  • #466
That doesnt necessarily mean they didnt live together though, and since Jinxy lives next door I would think that to be more accurate. I write stuff like that on my boyfriends profile and we have lived together for 2 years. Good look on that "academy" though too. I did that, decided to skip the private school grad and did online. I just dont understand. I also lived in Gloucester co until I was 12. Its so crazy.
 
  • #467
Have you seen this on her MS?

Dec 15
*Shannon Nicole* 15 weeks to go! cant wait to meet my baby boy : )
Mood: excited

So she definitely knew this one was a boy. With her posting the ultrasound, I figured she knew, but sometimes you can't tell in a US...so she definitely knew it was a boy

And Oct. 13:
-( Ultrasound Day, I guess)
*Shannon Nicole* Got to see my baby boy today! Connor Matthew : ) we cant wait to meet you!
Mood: blessed
 
  • #468
Down syndrome is very visible and very different than simply being cognitively disabled.

Children who are simply cognitively delayed look typical.

Children with Down syndrome usually have physical features that go along with the diagnosis.

We haven't been given confirmation that Sunshine has Down syndrome but because it is so visible I see no reason to doubt that at this point. Even Shannon would have been able to tell that much.

If they made it up, I don't think they would have picked Down syndrome if Sunshine had no physical features of it... they would have just called her cognitively delayed (in a less kind way I'm sure.)

Down syndrome is a random extra chromosome, in very very rare cases genetic and definitely not a result of incest.

Hopefully at some point we will get confirmation on Sunshine's actual medical condition. It would be really nice to know what she is actually facing.

I love your post ,always.

I was not using the Shannon and Brian reported developmental issue as a reason for my theory. I was only coming up with reason as to why they would hide the children.
OXO

I do not believe the children had any developmental delays at all until their parents caused them. Either during birth without proper care or at home without proper care,or being fed and stimulated emotionally.

Shannon was able to hold jobs ,pay bills, drive a car. They had a dog to didnt they?
What makes it so hard for her to at least give the child the same level of attention as the DOG? Why was the dog better cared for? What does that tell us?
 
  • #469
Although WE know downs has very obvious physical traits, these morons may not or may be too dumb to realize how obvious it will be if they are lying.

Maybe Sunny does have Down's, but simply based off Shannon's words, I am not going to believe that til I hear it confirmed.

I don't really care how the defense attorney tries to spin this, I don't believe a word out of their mouths.
 
  • #470
I love your post ,always.

I was not using the Shannon and Brian reported developmental issue as a reason for my theory. I was only coming up with reason as to why they would hide the children.
OXO

I do not believe the children had any developmental delays at all until their parents caused them. Either during birth without proper care or at home without proper care,or being fed and stimulated emotionally.

Shannon was able to hold jobs ,pay bills, drive a car. They had a dog to didnt they?
What makes it so hard for her to at least give the child the same level of attention as the DOG? Why was the dog better cared for? What does that tell us?

They did have a dog according to what was published. As I recall police stated there was not a scratch on that dog-the dog was well taken care of.
 
  • #471
Updated: http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/attorneys-appointed-in-neglect-case

The video says the girl is 6 yo & as of yesterday weighs 16 lbs.

How can this happen???

Haven't gotten through the thrad yet but just had to comment on this.

I used to work overseas at an orphanage/baby home, one of our kids was 3 yeras old and averaged(weighed 2x daily) 4-5kg so between 7-11lb.


She was also fairly tall(or seemed that way because of her weight, though very stooped) and I have the image burned into my brain of seeing her for the first time. I can(sadly) imagine the horror these people witnessed when they saw that poor girl for the first time. It's something your brain doesn't ven process properly.
 
  • #472
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The FB page has been deleted, but here's her profile photo.
 
  • #473
Baby #3 was planned and advertised as such...
*Shannon Nicole* doing good working all the time and getting uxe to the married life...haha. I love it though going to try to have a baby soon. We definitely will have to try to get together sometime to catch up.


2 years ago
*NAMED REMOVED FOR PRIVACY* I hope the married life continues to treat you well! I wish you the best on the baby. I'm sure you would make a great mom!! We def need to get together sometime...theres many years of catchin up to do. Miss ya girl!


2 years ago
 
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  • #475
Sick sick sick... in the proposal video and wedding photos she sure doesn't look like she is too "depressed" to feed and change a child because she just had her other "beloved" baby die.
 
  • #476
This is another one of those situations where there doesn't seem to be anyone stepping up for Shannon, a little for Brian, but doesn't she have friends? Aren't there ex boyfriends to say she was cold hearted or that she was wonderful there must be a mistake?
 
  • #477
Just to maybe clarify the dates a little, at least on my end. I moved here in 2003. I cannot say for certain when Shannon and Brian moved in. I can only say that the shed was not always there and according to google maps I can confirm that it was there 2007-2008.

Oh and the manager said I could have some of the flowers in the yard. I didn't do any questioning other than the haphazard do you think it'd be okay kinda thing...When I dig them up I think she is going to dig some up as well, I figure that might be a good time to find out exactly what she might know. I'll keep ya posted.
 
  • #478
Down syndrome is very visible and very different than simply being cognitively disabled.

Children who are simply cognitively delayed look typical.

Children with Down syndrome usually have physical features that go along with the diagnosis.

Down syndrome is a random extra chromosome, in very very rare cases genetic and definitely not a result of incest.

Thanks for your response, though I am aware of these things. I did mean incest possibly causes more genetic defects as the sperm has a similar makeup to the ovum. I'm not sure where you get the "very very rare cases genetic'' because it is an extra copy of the 21 chromosome which is a genetic defect of the person's DNA..

Your post did give me another idea as to why these people may have hid Sunny though.

Maybe they hid her because they were ashamed of her condition... Just this weekend I was talking to my dad and found out a friend of his had a brother with DS, except he used the term 'mongoloid' to describe him. That is an outdated term for DS as well, so maybe if her parents did know they too were ashamed of the child so told her to keep her hidden.

I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm just trying to make sense of a senseless situation.
 
  • #479
Thanks for your response, though I am aware of these things. I did mean incest possibly causes more genetic defects as the sperm has a similar makeup to the ovum. I'm not sure where you get the "very very rare cases genetic'' because it is an extra copy of the 21 chromosome which is a genetic defect of the person's DNA..

Your post did give me another idea as to why these people may have hid Sunny though.

Maybe they hid her because they were ashamed of her condition... Just this weekend I was talking to my dad and found out a friend of his had a brother with DS, except he used the term 'mongoloid' to describe him. That is an outdated term for DS as well, so maybe if her parents did know they too were ashamed of the child so told her to keep her hidden.

I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm just trying to make sense of a senseless situation.

Re BBM - I think we can try to make sense of this until Hell freezes over, I just don't see it happening (I'm not expecting any ah-ha moment from Baez either). Some things (like murder, rape, torture and gparents who support their murderous daughter rather than the victim) defy logic, defy decency and defy sense. IMHO.
 
  • #480
I was just thinking could Sunshine and Golden boy(if twins) have been born before the Gores in moved together? And maybe plan were made for BG to keep them at "his" place until they lived together (SG of legal age) and they could both care for them. He got overwhelmed and "killed" baby boy? But when she moved in, it was too complicated to explain the birth of baby girl and then just kept her hidden?

Does this make sense? Since he is older he would have been able to live alone, no one to ask who, what, or why.
 

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