VA VA - Triangle, near Quantico, AsianMale 18-30, 252UMVA, tattoo "1-9-6-3", clothes, Sept'84

[rats]

This case is NOT in NamUs.

Discovered on September 19, 1984 on ramp to I-95 from Route 619 near Quantico Marine Base, Prince William County, Virginia.
Cause of death: Strangulation by ligature.
Estimated date of death: Probably within 24 hours of discovery.
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 20's
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'3"; 100-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown eyes; black hair almost to collar.
Blood type: A+
Clothing: Tan, long sleeve dress shirt with thin white stripes, boys size 6, John Henry brand; boys size 12, Fruit-of-the-Loom briefs.Tattoos: Tattoos on fingers of left hand; middle finger "9"; ring finger "6"; little finger possible "1".
Dentals: Available. Good quality dentistry.
Fingerprints: Available

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/252umva.html

There was also a "cold case corner" focusing on him last year:

https://www.facebook.com/PWCPolice/posts/1442707259112036

COLD CASE CORNER: John Doe, name unknownOn September 19th, 1984 the body of an unidentified Asian male was discovered by a local resident picking up trash near the ramp from Joplin Road to I-95 in Triangle. He died from strangulation. His age is unknown, possibly between 20 and 25 years of age.
Several known missing persons were compared to the victim without success.
33 years have passed. If you have information regarding this case, please contact us.
If you have concerns about publicly coming forward, we can address your concerns if you contact the Cold Case Unit at 703-792-7279, send an email to [email protected] or message us privately on Facebook or Twitter.
You can also write to: Cold Case Unit, Prince William County Police Department, 15948 Donald Curtis Drive, Woodbridge, VA 22191.
If you would like to remain anonymous, you may contact the Crime Solvers hotline at 703-670-3700 or 1-866-411-TIPS. You don't have to give your name, just the information.
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I actually found out about this case through finding his death certificate on Ancestry.com, where it is publicly available. The only thing I found, really, was an extension of his age range (it says he is "approx. 30"), the fact that he was strangled via a ligature, and the fact that he was cremated.

Poor dude. It's so upsetting that theres other PWC Does in NamUs but this poor guy isn't.

 

[Gardener1850]

There are really not very many Asian males reported missing in the 1980's.
Here's the reconstruction sketch:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/252umva.html

With all due respect to the artist, this sketch could use an update. JMO.

 

[rats]

There are really not very many Asian males reported missing in the 1980's.
Here's the reconstruction sketch:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/252umva.html

With all due respect to the artist, this sketch could use an update. JMO.

I'm inclined to agree. You absolutely couldn't compare that to anything and be able to rule something out.

 

[Nate_Bro]

There are really not very many Asian males reported missing in the 1980's.
Here's the reconstruction sketch:

252UMVA

With all due respect to the artist, this sketch could use an update. JMO.

I decided to think a little differently and find people that werent listed as Asian, but that could be mistaken for Asian. These 2 were the only ones that stood out to me. Steven Delgado especially stood out to me, but he is listed as a few inches taller. Especially because he appears to be in some type of military attire (can someone tell me what it is?) and also the Doe was found near a Marines base. He was last heard from in Florida. I thought possibly he was hitching to the base, and was murdered right as he was being dropped off. Im guessing at that stage there was still a lot of anti vietnam war sentiment going around also could have played a part.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Nate_Bro]

I also wonder if the tattoos on his fingers were his birth date which would work too. 196- on the left 3 fingers, and an unnoticed or illegible number on the index finger. Especially if they were amateur school time tattoos.

 

[ImL8t]

How heartbreaking about the cremation. Death certificate is uploaded.

I contacted NAMUS about a week ago and alerted them that he is not in their system. That prompted them to check on his case with the Virginia Medical Examiner. (He's not on their website either.)

See the posting on this John Doe on Reddit for several good theories about his tattoos: Quantico John Doe, Unsolved since 1984 : UnresolvedMysteries

 

[ImL8t]

Does anyone have suggestions for how to get an excellent quality, updated facial reconstruction completed for our Quantico John Doe? Because he was cremated, DNA testing is not an option so facial identification is probably our best bet going forward. His police report should have his autopsy photos.

 

[YaYa_521]

Sept 21, 2020
https://www.facebook.com/PWCPolice/photos/a.116046165111492/3225780690804675/

COLD CASE CORNER: John Doe, name unknown

On September 19th, 1984 the body of an unidentified Asian male was discovered by a local resident picking up trash near the ramp from Joplin Road to I-95 in Triangle. He died from strangulation. His age is unknown, possibly between 20 and 25 years of age.

Several known missing persons were compared to the victim without success.
36 years have passed. If you have any information on this case, please contact us. The victim awaits justice, and family, friends, and neighbors need closure. The Cold Case Unit requests your assistance. If you have any information, please contact Cold Case Unit at 703-792-7000, send an email to [email protected] or message us privately on Facebook or Twitter. You can also write to: Cold Case Unit, Prince William County Police Department, 5036 Davis Ford Road, Woodbridge, Virginia 22192.

Thank you, as always, for helping us by sharing our posts.
To review other cold cases visit our website visit: https://www.pwcgov.org/.../dept/police/Pages/Cold-Cases.aspx

 

[MadMcGoo]

Poor guy. It’s a shame facial recognition may be his only hope of being “identified”. And that’s comforting in the least.

 

[YaYa_521]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
No images.
NamUs #UP56806 Male, Asian
Date Body Found September 19, 1984
Location Found Triangle, Virginia
Estimated Age Range 18-30 Years
Estimated PMI--
Inventory of Remains--
Condition of Remains Recognizable face
Height 5' 2"(62 inches) , Measured
Weight 110-115 lbs, Estimated
Hair Color Black
Head Hair Description Short, straight
Facial Hair Description Very thin mustache; no beard
Eye Color Brown
Scar/mark - Scar on knee (unknown side or size)
Tattoo - Tattoo on left knuckles "1-9-6-3"
Clothing - Long-sleeved beige shirt with white stripes, size 16, brand name "John Henry"; White "Fruit of the Loom" underwear, size 12 - On the Body

Circumstances of Recovery - An unidentified person was found on the ramp for Route 619 to northbound I-95

No exclusions.

 

[annpats]

I wonder if he was strangled where he was found, or if he was strangled somewhere else and then dumped there?

 

[annpats]

Also, why the cremation and not burial? Cost?

 

[Goecke]

I decided to think a little differently and find people that werent listed as Asian, but that could be mistaken for Asian. These 2 were the only ones that stood out to me. Steven Delgado especially stood out to me, but he is listed as a few inches taller. Especially because he appears to be in some type of military attire (can someone tell me what it is?) and also the Doe was found near a Marines base. He was last heard from in Florida. I thought possibly he was hitching to the base, and was murdered right as he was being dropped off. Im guessing at that stage there was still a lot of anti vietnam war sentiment going around also could have played a part.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Wow, that one picture of Steven looks JUST like the recon. Not to mention he went missing a little over two weeks before the body was found (assuming the September 1 date is correct). The only thing throwing me off were the tattoos, since hand/finger tattoos are pretty noticeable and it's not like he had much time to get the tattoos in the time between when he went missing and when the body was found. It could be possible that whoever reported him missing failed to mention that he had the tattoos.

In addition to this, it looks like Steven was in the military, and given his age at the time he went missing (21), he would've probably been born in 1963. I really hope there's a way to compare the two- According to DoeNet, the UID has both fingerprints and dental records on file.

 

[Myrrh]

A PM image of this man, as well as an image of his shirt and tattoo design was uploaded to NamUs a few months ago

 

[Nate_Bro]

How about Yung Ning Soo. Can someone please check the ruleouts?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Aurora90]

How about Yung Ning Soo. Can someone please check the ruleouts?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

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That looks very close if not identical in my opinion. I’d submit this! I am unable to check rule outs but I’m sure someone can help out.

@Caring1?

 

[ProudSuggestion3528]

That looks very close if not identical in my opinion. I’d submit this! I am unable to check rule outs but I’m sure someone can help out.

@Caring1?

No rule outs listed on Namus up56806 (252umva).

 

[Myrrh]

Seems like the images of his shirt and tattoo design were removed from his NamUs, only the PM image is still there

 

[Nate_Bro]

No rule outs listed on Namus up56806 (252umva).

I'm not fully convinced but It's worth a shot. I put them into Remini but it doesn't have much to work with. An interesting thing to note is that although he was Korean, he had a Chinese passport. Not sure of that significance of that though.

Yung Ning Soo – The Charley Project