VA - (Trigger warning) Explosive allegations made about Fairfax County, VA school system

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if CPS would investigate an allegation like this. It strikes me as a police matter if the girl wants the abortion and what's being reported is that the teachers are not following the law on how to get one. CPS is about child abuse/neglect and I'm not sure this would really fall under that umbrella.

That being said, I think the broader point still stands that she could have reported this to some external authority at the time and it seems like she didn't do that, which does call into question what her motivation is and whether it's true, IMO.

The school policy is if they have a conversation with a student about pregnancy (or whatever), they are not REQUIRED to tell the parent. (The policy has been posted at least twice on the thread.)

That, imo, is the crux of all this. There are conservative groups that fight the schools serving as trusted adults for teens, and they want parental control of conversations.

If that is what the community wants, then they need to organize to change the policy. Good luck. The policy is there for a reason, and it's because sometimes parents are the harmful ones.

jmopinion

 

[Izzylizzy]

The school policy is if they have a conversation with a student about pregnancy (or whatever), they are not REQUIRED to tell the parent. (The policy has been posted at least twice on the thread.)

That, imo, is the crux of all this. There are conservative groups that fight the schools serving as trusted adults for teens, and they want parental control of conversations.

If that is what the community wants, then they need to organize to change the policy. Good luck. The policy is there for a reason, and it's because sometimes parents are the harmful ones.

jmopinion

Not informing a parent that their daughter is pregnant is one thing and as you said it's the district's policy.
This is about a school accused of signing off on a minor's abortion and funding it w/o parental consent for the minor's abortion.
Apples and oranges.
imo

 

[Inthedetails]

Not informing a parent that their daughter is pregnant is one thing and as you said it's the district's policy.
This is about a school accused of signing off on a minor's abortion and funding it w/o parental consent for the minor's abortion.
Apples and oranges.
imo

Yes, I realize that. But we don't know that happened so I'm not worked up about it unless it's proven to be true.

What is proven to be true, is the policy that schools are not REQUIRED to tell parents about conversations. And I think that riles people up.

jmopinion

 

[teeby]

Perez could have remained anonymous with CPS and if warranted CPS would have contacted LE.

From all that I've read, Perez as a mandated reporter , failed to report to anyone outside the school the accusations that minors were the victims of school officials abusing their authority and signing off on medical procedures w/o parental approval.

imo

Right but what I'm saying is that not all bad behavior by teachers that violates the law and school policy is a CPS matter. For example if a teacher gave an 18 year old high school student a beer to drink, that would be illegal and presumably against district policy but CPS wouldn't look into it because it doesn't involve a minor. Getting an abortion for a student who isn't your child is against district policy and illegal under VA law, but I'm not sure if it's considered child abuse if the girl wants the abortion. I don't think CPS pulls in the cops unless they screen the report in to investigate. I think she should have contacted the police directly.

 

[Inthedetails]

Right but what I'm saying is that not all bad behavior by teachers that violates the law and school policy is a CPS matter. For example if a teacher gave an 18 year old high school student a beer to drink, that would be illegal and presumably against district policy but CPS wouldn't look into it because it doesn't involve a minor. Getting an abortion for a student who isn't your child is against district policy and illegal under VA law, but I'm not sure if it's considered child abuse if the girl wants the abortion. I don't think CPS pulls in the cops unless they screen the report in to investigate. I think she should have contacted the police directly.

And/or contact a local journalist. Not a blogger but a journalist.

That would've been a reasonable thing to do if she felt the school wasn't responding properly to her claims.

Wonder how the blogger got wind of the story?

jmopinion

 

[Izzylizzy]

Right but what I'm saying is that not all bad behavior by teachers that violates the law and school policy is a CPS matter. For example if a teacher gave an 18 year old high school student a beer to drink, that would be illegal and presumably against district policy but CPS wouldn't look into it because it doesn't involve a minor. Getting an abortion for a student who isn't your child is against district policy and illegal under VA law, but I'm not sure if it's considered child abuse if the girl wants the abortion. I don't think CPS pulls in the cops unless they screen the report in to investigate. I think she should have contacted the police directly.

I said that if Perez didn't want her name involved with LE she knows that it's CPS's policy to keep the caller anonymous going forward, then as I said, if warranted CPS would contact LE.
Perez knew damn well that she was reporting these accusations to the Fox who guarded the hen-house and that during the 2 yrs they never contacted CPS which they are mandated to do even if abuse/illegal activities by a teacher with a student are suspected.

Teachers are also mandated to report to CPS when they fear a child's well being could be in danger...so did Perez just assume that no other teen girls weren't taken for abortions during the 2 years she supposedly had 7 meetings with the school?

What if a future teen suffered medical consequences or even died during those 2 years because of her failure not to originally inform CPS?

Whether these accusations are true or not it is Perez who legally failed protecting the students in the high school where she's a mandated reporter.

Perez certainly did not think it through going to a Conservative anti-abortion blog with these very serious accusations years after the fact.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

According to Zeniada Perez in the audio the girl's uncle was her legal guardian.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/school-staff-allegedly-arranged-paid-students-abortions/

 

[teeby]

I said that if Perez didn't want her name involved with LE she knows that it's CPS's policy to keep the caller anonymous going forward, then as I said, if warranted CPS would contact LE.
Perez knew damn well that she was reporting these accusations to the Fox who guarded the hen-house and that during the 2 yrs they never contacted CPS which they are mandated to do even if abuse/illegal activities by a teacher with a student are suspected.

Teachers are also mandated to report to CPS when they fear a child's well being could be in danger...so did Perez just assume that no other teen girls weren't taken for abortions during the 2 years she supposedly had 7 meetings with the school?

What if a future teen suffered medical consequences or even died during those 2 years because of her failure not to originally inform CPS?

Whether these accusations are true or not it is Perez who legally failed protecting the students in the high school where she's a mandated reporter.

Perez certainly did not think it through going to a Conservative anti-abortion blog with these very serious accusations years after the fact.
imo

I feel like we're talking past each other somewhat. I know teachers are mandated reporters. What I'm saying is that in my experience with CPS (and I don't live in VA so maybe they are better about this), if the primary concern is a criminal act, you should make that report to the police directly yourself, and not assume CPS will. In my experience if CPS doesn't think a specific child is currently in active danger, they'll do absolutely nothing at all.

I agree she had a duty to act to protect the children as soon as she became aware of this happening (allegedly) and she failed in that duty.

 

[Cryptic]

Yet she did not, meanwhile if true she also had no idea if the school was continuing the practice of supporting and financially enabling minors to obtain abortions w/o parental consent.

If they did it once, they still broke the law. As a result, whether or not they continued it does not really matter. Her core accusation would still be accurate.

 

[Izzylizzy]

If they did it once, they still broke the law. As a result, whether or not they continued it does not really matter. Her core accusation would still be accurate.

Which has nothing to do with the point I made.
Perez failed by not contacting CPS long ago.
imo

 

[Inthedetails]

If they did it once, they still broke the law. As a result, whether or not they continued it does not really matter. Her core accusation would still be accurate.

I really hope people are keeping the issues organized in their minds.

One issue is: were the parent/guardians informed of a conversation at school. By policy, they don't have to be.

Another issue is: did the school procure an abortion for the student? That is an ALLEGATION at this point, with no evidence other than what a blogger with an agenda has presented. An investigation is underway - and rightly so! But the allegations, at this point, are not proven.

jmopinion

 

[Izzylizzy]

I feel like we're talking past each other somewhat. I know teachers are mandated reporters. What I'm saying is that in my experience with CPS (and I don't live in VA so maybe they are better about this), if the primary concern is a criminal act, you should make that report to the police directly yourself, and not assume CPS will. In my experience if CPS doesn't think a specific child is currently in active danger, they'll do absolutely nothing at all.

I agree she had a duty to act to protect the children as soon as she became aware of this happening (allegedly) and she failed in that duty.

LE looks at the possible criminality.
CPS is there to investigate and hopefully protect children.

It was not up to Perez to decide what is criminal or not.

I originally brought up CPS in reply to a post that Perez could have wanted to protect her job etc.and said then she could have stayed anonymous going to CPS with the statements from the 2 (then) teen girls instead she went to the hen who protects the hen house.

Something is way off with this story and Perez's timeline of her concerns.

imo

 

[Cryptic]

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[Cryptic]

Which has nothing to do with the point I made.
Perez failed by not contacting CPS long ago.
imo

Something is way off with this story and Perez's timeline of her concerns.

And my point is that Perez's failure to report and the accuracy of her allegations are completely separate matters.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I feel like we're talking past each other somewhat. I know teachers are mandated reporters. What I'm saying is that in my experience with CPS (and I don't live in VA so maybe they are better about this), if the primary concern is a criminal act, you should make that report to the police directly yourself, and not assume CPS will. In my experience if CPS doesn't think a specific child is currently in active danger, they'll do absolutely nothing at all.

I agree she had a duty to act to protect the children as soon as she became aware of this happening (allegedly) and she failed in that duty.

In Virginia police are mandatory reporters so if Perez went to LE they are required to contact CPS when they have reasonable suspicion of child endangerment.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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If they did it once, they still broke the law. As a result, whether or not they continued it does not really matter. Her core accusation would still be accurate.

Which has nothing to do with my accusations against Perez.
She wasn't that concerned of what she accused the school of doing because by not reporting it outside the school she had no idea if more teens were getting abortion assistance and financial help for almost 4 yrs.
imo

 

[Cryptic]

She wasn't that concerned of what she accused the school of doing because by not reporting it outside the school she had no idea if more teens were getting abortion assistance and financial help for almost 4 yrs.
imo

I think you are..... very likely right.

In the end, a large number of informers are inconsistent regarding their reporting of claimed criminal activity and their own past actions.

 

[fred&edna]

The school policy is if they have a conversation with a student about pregnancy (or whatever), they are not REQUIRED to tell the parent. (The policy has been posted at least twice on the thread.)

That, imo, is the crux of all this. There are conservative groups that fight the schools serving as trusted adults for teens, and they want parental control of conversations.

If that is what the community wants, then they need to organize to change the policy. Good luck. The policy is there for a reason, and it's because sometimes parents are the harmful ones.

jmopinion

while they may not be required to tell a parent... isn't it true they are encouraged to involve the parents - this being an ethical obligation. with the possible exception being the pregnant student having/expressing legitimate fears of parental knowledge.

or maybe ethics are no longer part of public schools. heaven knows they haven't seemed to be a part of our society over the past few years. jmo

just a question

 

[teeby]

In Virginia police are mandatory reporters so if Perez went to LE they are required to contact CPS when they have reasonable suspicion of child endangerment.

Sure. But that's the point of mandatory reporting. You can't assume someone else will do it for you.

 

[Inthedetails]

while they may not be required to tell a parent... isn't it true they are encouraged to involve the parents - this being an ethical obligation. with the possible exception being the pregnant student having/expressing legitimate fears of parental knowledge.

or maybe ethics are no longer part of public schools. heaven knows they haven't seemed to be a part of our society over the past few years. jmo

just a question

It's quite a leap to go from a policy that doesn't require conversations be reported to parents to "maybe ethics are no longer part of public schools." In my opinion.

jmo