VA VA- Unidentified 12-year-old abducted in Spotsylvania, 4 July 2013

[SuperTmo]

This child was yelling "help me." Not sure if that changes anything?

My sister used to think it was *hilarious* to yell, "help me" in grocery stores or tell other shoppers, "she's not my mom," when she was not getting her way. The last time it happened she was 12. My sister was mad because my mom would't get the sugar cereal she wanted and so my sister told someone, "the woman she was with is not my mom!" The woman told the store workers and they called the police. My poor mom was surrounded and handcuffed. It was horrible! My sister learned how serious what she was doing that day was!

I'm hoping this case is that sort of story...

 

[ArianeEmory]

I doubt this is family because of leaving the bike there. Most parents are not going to leave a bike, flat tires or not

From the description of the event, it was not the child's bike. He just stopped to look at it. Maybe it was bait?

 

[SuperTmo]

From the description of the event, it was not the child's bike. He just stopped to look at it. Maybe it was bait?

Some articles seem to indicate that the child was seen riding the bike.. so it's hard to say for sure that it wasn't his bike. I'd assume that if it wasn't his bike and it wasn't bait, that a person would call and report their child's bike missing.

I wonder why this child is being reported as a boy? It sounds like nobody was close enough to help, so can't be sure it's a boy. With hair mid-length, and gender neutral colors on, it makes me wonder why. The cargo shorts do make me think boy, but plenty of girls wear longer shorts and looser shirts. Maybe it is actually a girl that likes to dress more conservatively or as a tomboy? There are plenty...

 

[YidArmyRach]

From the description of the event, it was not the child's bike. He just stopped to look at it. Maybe it was bait?

That makes sense to me.

What doesn't make sense is that nobody has realised their 10 - 12 year old son is missing after all these hours? Surely anyone local would have heard this on the news by now, and would be aware that their child is not where he should be. Even if my son was away, or staying with friends, I'd still check to make sure he was ok - especially if he vaguely matched the description. In fact, I'd have checked if I had a daughter around that age by now too.

Sounds very odd - reminds me a bit of the recent case where a young girl supposedly approached a car driver for help, then ran off into the woods. No one reported her missing, and I don't think she was ever identified ..... or even if it was ever verified that this actually happened?

 

[ClaireNC]

This one seems to have a more detailed description of the suspect. http://www.wric.com/story/22763002/possible-abduction-reported-in-spotsylvania

Police said the suspect was a Hispanic male wearing a black tank top and dark pants. The suspect had wavy two-tone dirty blond hair. He is about 5 foot 10 to 6 feet tall, weighing about 200 pounds.

Says the boy, estimated age 10 to 12 years, was wearing shorts...

The child is described as 5 foot, with a slim build, and brown hair that extends to the middle of his neck. He was wearing a red and white horizontally-striped shirt and blue cargo shorts.

Also says that the suspect was seen getting out of the passenger side of the van and pulling the child into the vehicle. And adds the description of the van as having a ladder rack, but no ladders.

 

[hollye]

Some articles seem to indicate that the child was seen riding the bike.. so it's hard to say for sure that it wasn't his bike. I'd assume that if it wasn't his bike and it wasn't bait, that a person would call and report their child's bike missing.

I wonder why this child is being reported as a boy? It sounds like nobody was close enough to help, so can't be sure it's a boy. With hair mid-length, and gender neutral colors on, it makes me wonder why. The cargo shorts do make me think boy, but plenty of girls wear longer shorts and looser shirts. Maybe it is actually a girl that likes to dress more conservatively or as a tomboy? There are plenty...

If you look at streetview from the location of the witness, who was on the porch, according to her report, and then look down to the abduction site, that is quite a distance. I would not have been able to clearly tell much of what happened.

Here is a visual...

 

[Eileen730]

Could this child have been abducted years ago and escaped from whomever took him?
this man would not report the child missing and the perents could have reported this child missing years ago. Does that make any sense?

To me this is the only reason no one has reported this child as missing.

Also!

This abductor could have (if this is really a little girl) made her look like a boy!

 

[danzn16]

I'm starting to think this is just a hoax. Parents would realize their child is gone by now


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[SuperTmo]

I'm starting to think this is just a hoax. Parents would realize their child is gone by now


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ME TOO! Based on a few posts above yours, one w/ the google street view of the abduction site, and one w/ the suspect's description of a hispanic male w/ dirty blonde hair... I'm just NOT SURE that this actually happened. How could the witness have seen such a detailed description of the suspect and the victim from that distance?

Could this be a case of the witness seeing an abandoned kids bike (maybe kid left it because of the flat tires), and the witness letting her imagination run away?

 

[SuperTmo]

I think this either didn't happen at all, or it will be a case of this child's parents calling the kid's house he was going to spend the night with and that kid's parents saying, "what? I didn't know he was supposed to be here!" or saying that when the kid never showed up, her own child just assumed the kid changed his mind about the sleepover.

 

[Elainera]

Ugh, so close to home! My coworker lives in the neighborhood across Smith Station Road from Holleybrooke.

Here is a casemap...

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msi...ll=38.250078,-77.561417&spn=0.020423,0.038581

I based the abduction point off of photos and video. While the neighborhood he was taken from is at the intersection of Smith Station Road and Holleybrooke Drive, the bike is shown to be just south west of the intersection of Holleybrooke Drive and Heavenwood Court.

My confusion, beyond the obvious ones, is also that the neighbor, who was on the porch of a house 6 houses down from the site, claims that the van ran 2 stop signs after grabbing the boy. Unless there have been additional stop signs installed on Holleybrooke since September 2012, there is only one stop sign, at Cedar Post Lane, until you get to Smith Station Road, but there is no way that she could see that far down the road to know whether the driver blew through the stop sign there. That would be the most direct route out of the neighborhood from the abduction site. There are no other stops signs that she would have been able to see from her vantage point, unless additional ones have been installed, since September.

There are 2 entrances into the neighborhood and several different paths the driver could have taken to get to the abduction site, but the driver would have had to come down Holleybrooke, as the street at the intersection is a cul-de-sac.

Some articles seem to indicate that the child was seen riding the bike.. so it's hard to say for sure that it wasn't his bike. I'd assume that if it wasn't his bike and it wasn't bait, that a person would call and report their child's bike missing.

I wonder why this child is being reported as a boy? It sounds like nobody was close enough to help, so can't be sure it's a boy. With hair mid-length, and gender neutral colors on, it makes me wonder why. The cargo shorts do make me think boy, but plenty of girls wear longer shorts and looser shirts. Maybe it is actually a girl that likes to dress more conservatively or as a tomboy? There are plenty...

This one seems to have a more detailed description of the suspect. http://www.wric.com/story/22763002/possible-abduction-reported-in-spotsylvania

Police said the suspect was a Hispanic male wearing a black tank top and dark pants. The suspect had wavy two-tone dirty blond hair. He is about 5 foot 10 to 6 feet tall, weighing about 200 pounds.

Says the boy, estimated age 10 to 12 years, was wearing shorts...

The child is described as 5 foot, with a slim build, and brown hair that extends to the middle of his neck. He was wearing a red and white horizontally-striped shirt and blue cargo shorts.

Also says that the suspect was seen getting out of the passenger side of the van and pulling the child into the vehicle. And adds the description of the van as having a ladder rack, but no ladders.

If you look at streetview from the location of the witness, who was on the porch, according to her report, and then look down to the abduction site, that is quite a distance. I would not have been able to clearly tell much of what happened.

Here is a visual...

Like Hollye and others I kinda doubt all these very detailed descriptions of the witness. How is that much detail possible from this distance? The boy with age, hair, height, weight, clothing, the alleged perp with hair, age, height, weight, dirty clothing, the van with color, how many doors, lots of details like ladder rack and primer paint spots, etc. If they saw all that why not the license plate? I have never seen such a description and I doubt I could give it after an event that probably didn't even last a minute. I almost feel we have too much description in this case.

Unless there were multiple witnesses in different parts of the street who all contributed to it.

 

[hogwash]

On July 3 in Chantilly Va. with is 1 hr. 21 min . away from Spotsylvania there was an attempted abduction, the girl was 11 and was able to get away..sorry I don't know how to bring it over but the article can be read at STRANGER GRABS CHILD IN CHANTILLY

 

[SurfieTX]

On July 3 in Chantilly Va. with is 1 hr. 21 min . away from Spotsylvania there was an attempted abduction, the girl was 11 and was able to get away..sorry I don't know how to bring it over but the article can be read at STRANGER GRABS CHILD IN CHANTILLY

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/stranger-grabs-child-in-chantilly-90913.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Well, at this point, the parents of the boy went to bed and go up in the morning, with him not being there.

 

[meanmaryjean]

Well, now that I've seen the streetview, I'm firmly on the hoax side of the equation. How in the wide, wide world of sports could you tell 'two-tone hair' from that distance?

 

[bdawk20]

Like Hollye and others I kinda doubt all these very detailed descriptions of the witness. How is that much detail possible from this distance? The boy with age, hair, height, weight, clothing, the alleged perp with hair, age, height, weight, dirty clothing, the van with color, how many doors, lots of details like ladder rack and primer paint spots, etc. If they saw all that why not the license plate? I have never seen such a description and I doubt I could give it after an event that probably didn't even last a minute. I almost feel we have too much description in this case.

Unless there were multiple witnesses in different parts of the street who all contributed to it.

Without binoculars I have no idea how you could get this detailed if a description of the boy, the alleged perp and the van. Nevermind the fact this would've happened pretty fast.....

 

[Elainera]

Re him not being reported missing:
I could be the case of some kind of sloppy organisation/communication between two custodial parents. One says "I might drop him off at around 9", the other isn't home that time, leaves a message at first parent to let them know, which they don't get, and child gets dropped off but finds door locked and noone home. First parent assumes child is with other parent, parent number two thinks first parent got message and didn't drop child off. So both think the child is with the other and don't miss him.

If that made any sense ...

 

[dewey decimal]

They are apparently holding a press conference now (no streaming as far as I can tell) and are reporting still no identification of the child. :banghead:

I have to say I agree with people who are starting to think this is a hoax...with this much publicity, I can't imagine a parent not reporting their child missing.

 

[spiritseeker31]

update
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...ler-Hellie-Kammerer-StormTeam4-210877671.html

 

[spiritseeker31]

Sorry, I barely got it up in time for the short newscast about the boy. There's supposed to be more tonight at 6.