VA - Virginia Tech Shooting, 32 murdered, 23 injured, 16 April 2007
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This is BS. These people may claim it's freedom of religious speech, but the crap they peddle is nothing more than hate speech. If the ACLU or the government can't discern between the two then this country is headed for some trouble.
The parents of these children should be sent to jail for child abuse (mental, but who knows what these sickos do behind closed doors), and the children should be sent to some doctor's to be deprogrammed.
Nope, not at all.
Hopefully this link wasn't posted before.
It's new information I hadn't read before.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/St...2061278,00.html
It's new information I hadn't read before.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usguns/St...2061278,00.html
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Thanks for the link, cheko1, I hadn't read this information either.
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that was interesting. I feel sorry for his mom. Seems like she tried to do all she could.
Very interesting, thank you for the link.
Cho was a time bomb, certainly.
i do hope people take note of children who are in their rooms much of the time playing video games and not socilising also are building problems.
i'm not saying every child who is quiet and keeps themselves to themselves and just has their computer as their best friend is going to create mass murder in the future.
i am saying there is potential for a generation of children to not be adequately socialised to the extent civilisation and a successful society needs.
The article says Cho was diagnosed clinically withdrawn. What is that? Like Aspbergers [sp?]?
I know we shouldnt be paying attention to Cho in order not to glorify him but I am interested nonetheless.
How difficult it must be to come from Korea and such humble surroundings to an affluent area. There is no shortage of conspicuous consumption in America for someone who is disturbed to get worked up over.
College kids, even really smart and accomplished ones, like to have fun. How impenetrable might it all seem to someone looking in from the outside? I read Girls Gone Wild was scheduled to be there this week I think. For someone who feels such self-righteous rage could that have been the straw that broke the camels back? I suppose the significance of the dates is more likely since it was all so planned out.
MaxMoMom: I do wonder why he picked that building and those classrooms.
A perceived insult associated with the building .?
IMO
I know we shouldnt be paying attention to Cho in order not to glorify him but I am interested nonetheless.
How difficult it must be to come from Korea and such humble surroundings to an affluent area. There is no shortage of conspicuous consumption in America for someone who is disturbed to get worked up over.
College kids, even really smart and accomplished ones, like to have fun. How impenetrable might it all seem to someone looking in from the outside? I read Girls Gone Wild was scheduled to be there this week I think. For someone who feels such self-righteous rage could that have been the straw that broke the camels back? I suppose the significance of the dates is more likely since it was all so planned out.
MaxMoMom: I do wonder why he picked that building and those classrooms.
A perceived insult associated with the building .?
IMO
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My feeling is that it is just a coincidence as VT is a state school and a lot of high school graduates in Virginia choose to attend VT.
This one holds some offensive language: But I found it a very interesting
read.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...-name_page.html
read.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...-name_page.html
I really doubt he was diagnosed autistic! Psychopathic maybe, but *NOT* autism. There are children who don't "bond" and are withdrawn from society, but it's mostly associated with those who are adopted. I think it's tied to not getting enough nurturing at an early age, but sometimes even with all the work put in by the mother, the child still cannot bond and learn empathy. Psychopaths though, are also unable to comprehend society and "normal" emotions. I think that article cheko1 just linked is highly offensive, and that it will soon be blown out of the water and proven to be fabrications. :twocents:
ETA: If he really were diagnosed autistic as a child, the school system would be required by law to set up an education plan with him, poor family or not! He'd have gotten therapy and help, not "nothing" as the article implies. BY LAW the schools *MUST* work with him to see to it that he gets an education too. This means one on one schooling, maybe in a classroom, maybe just him and the specially trained worker/teacher. Also, programs like Birth To Three, and the next one up from that would have worked with him to get him ready for school, including properly socialising him. Birth To Three and the other program whose name escapes me at the moment both are set up for under priveledged children, to help make sure they will start off well in school.
ETA2: Also, if he were autistic that would have been in his school records, and the college also would have known and set up plans to work with him. He might even have gotten a scholarship to go to college due to the autism. So, I call BS on the idea that he was autistic for all the reasons I just listed in the edits.
ETA3: Head Start is the program that steps in after Birth To Three, I just researched its name.
ETA: If he really were diagnosed autistic as a child, the school system would be required by law to set up an education plan with him, poor family or not! He'd have gotten therapy and help, not "nothing" as the article implies. BY LAW the schools *MUST* work with him to see to it that he gets an education too. This means one on one schooling, maybe in a classroom, maybe just him and the specially trained worker/teacher. Also, programs like Birth To Three, and the next one up from that would have worked with him to get him ready for school, including properly socialising him. Birth To Three and the other program whose name escapes me at the moment both are set up for under priveledged children, to help make sure they will start off well in school.
ETA2: Also, if he were autistic that would have been in his school records, and the college also would have known and set up plans to work with him. He might even have gotten a scholarship to go to college due to the autism. So, I call BS on the idea that he was autistic for all the reasons I just listed in the edits.
ETA3: Head Start is the program that steps in after Birth To Three, I just researched its name.
There is a really sweet article in Smithsonian that explained that many cultures revere autistic people because they are thought to be closer to God and have special gifts.
I am sorry if my comments offended anyone.
I was thinking there might be some schizophrenia mixed in with maybe some other disorders.
My husband has a schizophrenic friend who has written a manifesto but he is verbal as well.
Cho certainly had no trouble expressing himself for the camera.
I do think Cho realized how much pain and suffering his actions would cause and how significant it would be to the nation. Would a sociopath be able to conceive how devastating his actions are since they have no framework for that concept or do they just react to offences against themselves? Cho wanted to hurt people physically and emotionally. He was not just getting someone out of the picture so he could go his merry way.
IMO
I am sorry if my comments offended anyone.
I was thinking there might be some schizophrenia mixed in with maybe some other disorders.
My husband has a schizophrenic friend who has written a manifesto but he is verbal as well.
Cho certainly had no trouble expressing himself for the camera.
I do think Cho realized how much pain and suffering his actions would cause and how significant it would be to the nation. Would a sociopath be able to conceive how devastating his actions are since they have no framework for that concept or do they just react to offences against themselves? Cho wanted to hurt people physically and emotionally. He was not just getting someone out of the picture so he could go his merry way.
IMO
He'd know he was breaking society's rules, but he wouldn't feel bound by them. He wouldn't grasp the emotional side of things for those affected by his actions, but he'd probably be able to grasp the veangance angle of things. "I'll teach them all a lesson they will *never* forget!" It isn't that they (psychopaths) can't feel emotion, it's that they don't consider anyone else's feelings to be valid, or worth any consideration. They can't put themselves in another's shoes, it is beyond their capability.
ETA: Some psychopaths, if caught early enough, can be trained to channel themselves into socially acceptable roles, and can be convinced that following the rules of society is for their benefit. Another kind is clever enough to figure this out on their own, and so wear a mask and live amongst us. This kind of psychopath may still be unkind, and no picnic to work with, but they don't break the law.
ETA: Some psychopaths, if caught early enough, can be trained to channel themselves into socially acceptable roles, and can be convinced that following the rules of society is for their benefit. Another kind is clever enough to figure this out on their own, and so wear a mask and live amongst us. This kind of psychopath may still be unkind, and no picnic to work with, but they don't break the law.
I believe that is the best explanation we will ever have of Cho and his actions.
Head Start doesn't step in unless family approves or requests.
IMO, there's no way Cho was autistic. When's the last time we've heard of an autistic adult doing what Cho did? He had other psychological issues, but I agree, autism wasn't the problem.
:twocents:
Is that online anywhere? That's interesting.
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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=22&art_id=nw20070420093533674C346757
April 20 2007 at 03:16PM
By Jae-Soon Chang AP
Seoul - Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-hui was diagnosed with autism after the family emigrated to the United States, a relative in South Korea said.
"From the beginning, he wouldn't answer me," Kim Yang-soon, Cho's great aunt, said in an interview Thursday with Associated Press Television News. He "didn't talk. Normally sons and mothers talk. There was none of that for them. He was very cold."
"When they went to the United States, they told them it was autism," said Kim, 85, adding that the family had constant worries about Cho.
Cho's uncle gave a similar account, but said there were no early indications that the South Korean student who killed 32 people and himself at Virginia Tech University in the US had serious problems. The uncle asked to be identified only by his last name, Kim.
Cho "didn't talk much when he was young. He was very quiet, but he didn't display any peculiarities to suggest he may have problems," Kim told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. "We were concerned about him being too quiet and encouraged him to talk more."
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder that encompasses a broad range of symptoms frequently including impaired social interaction and communication, as well as obsessive interests and behaviour. Autism remains a topic of heated debate in the scientific community, where little is understood about its cause.
Cho left South Korea with his family in 1992 to seek a better life in the United States. Since the shooting, the US government has been providing protection for Cho's parents, South Korea's ambassador to Washington said Friday.
"We've confirmed that the parents are being safely protected by US investigative authorities," Ambassador Lee Tae-sik told MBC Radio.
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April 20 2007 at 03:16PM
By Jae-Soon Chang AP
Seoul - Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-hui was diagnosed with autism after the family emigrated to the United States, a relative in South Korea said.
"From the beginning, he wouldn't answer me," Kim Yang-soon, Cho's great aunt, said in an interview Thursday with Associated Press Television News. He "didn't talk. Normally sons and mothers talk. There was none of that for them. He was very cold."
"When they went to the United States, they told them it was autism," said Kim, 85, adding that the family had constant worries about Cho.
Cho's uncle gave a similar account, but said there were no early indications that the South Korean student who killed 32 people and himself at Virginia Tech University in the US had serious problems. The uncle asked to be identified only by his last name, Kim.
Cho "didn't talk much when he was young. He was very quiet, but he didn't display any peculiarities to suggest he may have problems," Kim told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. "We were concerned about him being too quiet and encouraged him to talk more."
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder that encompasses a broad range of symptoms frequently including impaired social interaction and communication, as well as obsessive interests and behaviour. Autism remains a topic of heated debate in the scientific community, where little is understood about its cause.
Cho left South Korea with his family in 1992 to seek a better life in the United States. Since the shooting, the US government has been providing protection for Cho's parents, South Korea's ambassador to Washington said Friday.
"We've confirmed that the parents are being safely protected by US investigative authorities," Ambassador Lee Tae-sik told MBC Radio.
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