Vatican calling for Boycott of Da Vinci Code

windovervocalcords said:
Well, they did used to throw the Christians to the lions.....Post Traumatic Stress?

In fairness to DK, I do remember when all sorts of terrible lies were told about Catholics where I grew up in the South. I'm sure some of that still goes on and there are probably still some idiots who believe that crap.

But in general (i.e., this has nothing to do with DK or The Da Vinci Code), I find the current sense of persecution one hears from some Christian quarters a little hard to stomach.
 
Nova said:
In fairness to DK, I do remember when all sorts of terrible lies were told about Catholics where I grew up in the South. I'm sure some of that still goes on and there are probably still some idiots who believe that crap.

But in general (i.e., this has nothing to do with DK or The Da Vinci Code), I find the current sense of persecution one hears from some Christian quarters a little hard to stomach.
I just do not buy that such a dominant religious group in our nation, as Christians and Catholics have anything to fear from a work of fiction.

It's an interesting plot. No more, no less.

Some find it making sense to them for whatever reason in their soul searching, others do not.

No one is forcing a gun to anyone's head to go to the theater.
 
windovervocalcords said:
No one is forcing a gun to anyone's head to go to the theater.
And i don't know of a single Catholic who is suggesting this is the case....

We are just saying, no thanks, not going to support it....
 
sandraladeda said:
And i don't know of a single Catholic who is suggesting this is the case....

We are just saying, no thanks, not going to support it....
Sorry, I thought the Pope was banning it. Isn't that the topic? Why would this work of fiction be threatening?

On the other hand. When you have strong faith you have to protect it. Doubt is deadly.

More power to you to protect your heart and mind.
 
windovervocalcords said:
Sorry, I thought the Pope was banning it. Isn't that the topic? Why would this work of fiction be threatening?

On the other hand. When you have strong faith you have to protect it. Doubt is deadly.

More power to you to protect your heart and mind.
The Pope has called for Catholics to boycott the movie. what else, exactly should he do?

If you truly wish to see what Catholics don't like about the DVC, I ask you to take the time to visit www.JesusDecoded.com.

I am not looking to change anyone's mind about whether or not they will see the movie, but I think you will see exactly what Catholics don't like about the DVC.

In fact, I challenge anyone who has asked the question "why do you care? It's JUST A MOVIE!" to visit this website. This will give you the answer to that question.

imho
 
windovervocalcords said:
Sorry, I thought the Pope was banning it. Isn't that the topic? Why would this work of fiction be threatening?

On the other hand. When you have strong faith you have to protect it. Doubt is deadly.

More power to you to protect your heart and mind.
The Vatican is calling for a boycott - not the same as banning it.

As to why a work of fiction can be threatening - what about a work of fiction that says black people are indeed genetically inferior to whites? And that they're plotting to kill us all and rape everyone? Something that is put out as fiction, but is very popular, takes historical and real societies and gives them fictious, evil purposes? Says that the NAACP is actually the head of all black gangs, and they are organized to destroy society, for example?

Or pick something negative towards any group - for example, albino groups are ticked off at this film, because it continues a history of films using evil albinos as their villians.

Banning a film - that's too much - but simply proposing a boycott, and electing not to see a movie - that's just a standard way to register some disapproval.

Me - I'm not a Catholic, I don't care what's fictional here or not, but I'll figure the whole thing is unless proven otherwise - so I'll probably go see the movie....... - since I'm not an albino :D .
 
sandraladeda said:
The Pope has called for Catholics to boycott the movie. what else, exactly should he do?

If you truly wish to see what Catholics don't like about the DVC, I ask you to take the time to visit www.JesusDecoded.com.

I am not looking to change anyone's mind about whether or not they will see the movie, but I think you will see exactly what Catholics don't like about the DVC.

In fact, I challenge anyone who has asked the question "why do you care? It's JUST A MOVIE!" to visit this website. This will give you the answer to that question.

imho
I did go to the website.

If this were offered as a scholarly challenge to Catholic Church doctrine rather than a popular novel made into a movie I would understand the argument more.

Its perfectly fine for the Pope to tell his flock to not go to the movie. Nothing new there. The Church does that.

But if you think there is something inherently upsetting to the balance of the Universe that this novel and movie exist. Well, have certainly read and seen more disturbing things than this.

Like the nuke testing going on in Nevada for example... and thats not even fiction.
 
I am a Catholic and will admit I fall under the cafeteria Catholic description. I read the Da Vinci code and was captivated by it, could not put it down. I plan to see the movie when it's on video as I do most movies I want to see. I was not in the least offended by the Da Vinci Code. The history of the Catholic Church is not tarnished by this work of fiction. The crusades, granting dispensations, the known corruption through history and the recent priest peophile scandal are not fiction. And far more dangerous to the Church than this book and movie will ever be.
 
windovervocalcords said:
I just do not buy that such a dominant religious group in our nation, as Christians and Catholics have anything to fear from a work of fiction.

No, there are genuine threats to religious faith in our times, but DVC and gay marriage aren't among them. But it's easier to focus on a special cultural event or movement than to address widesweeping forces of economical and technological change. (Of course, in some cases the biggest threat to religions are their own unreasonableness.)
 
windovervocalcords said:
If this were offered as a scholarly challenge to Catholic Church doctrine rather than a popular novel made into a movie I would understand the argument more.

And we should probably mention that secular - even atheist - scholars have been no fonder of DVC than the Vatican, if for different reasons.
 
It is just a movie folks it ain't going to change the world.The movie folks would love it if it made any difference. That increases their profits. I am no longer catholic and I wouldn't fight it anyway. Make your own choices and don't rely on Hollywood to make anything clear.
 
concernedperson said:
It is just a movie folks it ain't going to change the world.The movie folks would love it if it made any difference. That increases their profits. I am no longer catholic and I wouldn't fight it anyway. Make your own choices and don't rely on Hollywood to make anything clear.

Well, if you insist on being so reasonable, we will have nothing to discuss.

Oh, wait, I hear J. Lo is pregnant. That oughta balance her out.
 
Details said:
The Vatican is calling for a boycott - not the same as banning it.

As to why a work of fiction can be threatening - what about a work of fiction that says black people are indeed genetically inferior to whites? And that they're plotting to kill us all and rape everyone? Something that is put out as fiction, but is very popular, takes historical and real societies and gives them fictious, evil purposes? Says that the NAACP is actually the head of all black gangs, and they are organized to destroy society, for example?

Or pick something negative towards any group - for example, albino groups are ticked off at this film, because it continues a history of films using evil albinos as their villians.

Banning a film - that's too much - but simply proposing a boycott, and electing not to see a movie - that's just a standard way to register some disapproval.

Me - I'm not a Catholic, I don't care what's fictional here or not, but I'll figure the whole thing is unless proven otherwise - so I'll probably go see the movie....... - since I'm not an albino :D .
Wow evil albinos...hmm black ghetto gansta villains, italian mafiosos, gay/ lesbian who committ murder or suicide, etc etc etc....

Its ok with me for the Pope to call for Catholics to boycott the Da Vinci Code. Just because I do not understand why the existence of fiction is personally or collectively offensive to Catholics does not mean it is not offensive to some Catholics.

Art is Art. By its nature it stirs things up.

Some of the ideas in the Da Vinci Code resonate with people of our time who are searching for meaning in the world.

That Mary Magdalene may have been more than a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, that she may have been a close disciple of Jesus has some historical backup in the Dead Sea Scrolls--(see Elaine Pagel's scholarly works on the Gnostic Gospels, there is a gospel of Mary.)

In fiction, it's not such a far stretch, that Jesus (who is believe to be both God AND Man), may have been capable of having a wife...its plausible. Doesn't mean its absolutely true. Its fiction. But a fiction that resonates with some. It's a stretch of the imagination...

We live in a time when our President lied to us about WMD and started a war. Conspriacy theories abound. Makes sense one more conspiracy theory would make its way into history. At least, we won't be invading some country over it.

Make believe? Likely so. It may be comforting to some Catholic women who long to be priests, and are told they are not by Church doctrine permitted to, to have at least in fiction, some story that suggests they may be spiritual equals to the other apostles.

Some Christians feel that there were hidden teachings of Christ--esoteric, mystical teachings of Christ. They feel the Church suppressed other views and see today's call for boycott of this movie as suppression of other points of view of Christianity.

There is historical back up to the idea that the Church suppressed dissent. Lots of history there. Historically it did not take much to be called a heretic. heresy.

Some feel that the true meaning of the Christian teachings has been taken out of institutionalized hierarchical Christianity

For a person of faith, ideally, everything in the outer environment can serve to strengthen that faith..doesn't it?

The Catholic Church is a fascinating institution and teaches some pretty interesting things. Has great scholarship, fine minds, has made enormous contributions to art, culture, history and ethical debate.....shows leadership in some of the most controversial issues of our time.

Its true that many groups of people are misrepresented unfairly in art, cinema, literature. Its just an another equal opportunity experience IMO.
 
Nova said:
Well, if you insist on being so reasonable, we will have nothing to discuss.

Oh, wait, I hear J. Lo is pregnant. That oughta balance her out.

You are too cute for words! I like the levity.J. Lo is never in my repertoire.
 
windovervocalcords said:
I love your posts...

Its ok with me for the Pope to call for Catholics to boycott the Da Vinci Code. Just because I do not understand why the existence of fiction is personally or collectively offensive to Catholics does not mean it is not offensive to some Catholics.
Thanks. You're a very thoughtful poster too - even if I often disagree. I think the Catholic church is upset because of the Opus Dei bit - apparently it's a very secretive organization that the church says is completely harmless and meditative, and the book has as an evil cultlike group running the world or the Vatican or something. To me, it's a whatever bit, but I can understand them being upset - especially if there really is anything a little shady about Opus Dei that they'd prefer the world not to look at... :cool:
 
I think the Vatican is opposed to any train of thought, even in fiction, that Jesus fathered a child and it's not about Opus Dei at all.
 
mic730 said:
I think the Vatican is opposed to any train of thought, even in fiction, that Jesus fathered a child and it's not about Opus Dei at all.
It would be considered blasphemous in many ways, and if it was Mohammed all the theaters would be on fire, now. And it is also pretty preposterous to think that anyone could keep such a bloodline secret for 2,000 years!
 
We should be glad the theaters are not on fire right now - we should be proud that we can think beyond violence to fight what might be considered
blasphemous!
The Last Temptation of Christ...I saw that as well. And it did not effect my Christian beliefs.
Of course I have encountered many people who don't believe Catholics are true Christians. Such as the Left Behind series.
 
mic730 said:
I think the Vatican is opposed to any train of thought, even in fiction, that Jesus fathered a child and it's not about Opus Dei at all.
I think it much more likely that Mary Magdalene was a close disciple of Jesus. She was present at his crucifixion and resurrection.

I think it much more likely they had a spiritual relationship. And if there was a "child", it was the birth of her faith that made her childlike and innocent again from the purity born of the healing connection she had with him.

So, I read the story as you folks tell it from that kind of perspective..

As for blasphemy...hmm, what is called blasphemy changes over time.
 
windovervocalcords said:
I think it much more likely that Mary Magdalene was a close disciple of Jesus. She was present at his crucifixion and resurrection.

I think it much more likely they had a spiritual relationship. And if there was a "child", it was the birth of her faith that made her childlike and innocent again from the purity born of the healing connection she had with him.

So, I read the story as you folks tell it from that kind of perspective..

As for blasphemy...hmm, what is called blasphemy changes over time.

I believe it is very important that the Bible has Mary Magdalene, a woman, to see Chirst resurrected before any of the 12 disciples. I believe it shows the importance the of her in Christ's life and his view on women.
I do NOT believe that Christ and Mary had children together. I was posting to what I believe the Catholic Church finds offensive in the book not my own perronal beliefs.
 

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