Vatican calling for Boycott of Da Vinci Code

[sandraladeda]

The Vatican hasn't released any official statement about The Da Vinci Code.
Yes, some local Catholic Churches are calling for a boycott, but there are just as many other local Catholic Churches that are using the release of the movie as an educational tool.

I totally agree. No one I know is running around shrieking "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" but there is discussion, and I have had great discussions with clergy, believers and non-believers.

Our local bishop released a statement about the DVC. Here is a snippet from that letter -
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I thought one of the responses of Opus Dei headquarters was inspired when it suggested donating to African relief as a way of responding to the "pain" people might experience at the book's "lack of respect for the beliefs of Christians". We might think locally of donating to Feed The Hungry or The Mustard Seed. <...Mustard Seed is a local street ministry serving the homeless, originated in local Baptist Churches here, I believe...>

The core problem is that the Da Vinci Code is billed as more than mere fiction. If you choose to view the movie, enjoy, but discount the historical claims which are nothing short of preposterous.
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I for one certainly do not feel I have been told what to think by my "cult", lol....

imho

 

[Nova]

I for one certainly do not feel I have been told what to think by my "cult", lol....

Oh, but Sandy, that's what the cultists ALWAYS say!

Maybe the movie seems credible. I don't know, I haven't seen it. But I still can't believe anyone takes that book seriously as history or theology.

(ETA: I said I can't believe anyone takes it seriously as history. Enjoying it as a fast-moving melodrama is another matter. I found it rather predictable, but to each his own.)

 

[Maral]

I don't know, I haven't seen it. But I still can't believe anyone takes that book seriously as history or theology.

(ETA: I said I can't believe anyone takes it seriously as history. Enjoying it as a fast-moving melodrama is another matter. I found it rather predictable, but to each his own.)

Oh, I can believe that some would take it seriously as history or theology, Nova. I just can't understand why they do.

 

[Floh]

Oh, I can believe that some would take it seriously as history or theology, Nova. I just can't understand why they do.

There are always a few who are ready to believe anything. seriously.

think about those who get junk mail through the door telling them:

YOU HAVE WON *L§¢!

or popups when surfing the net saying:

YOU HAVE A MESSAGE:

CLICK HERE!

most know it's marketing, some don't.

 

[sandraladeda]

Oh, but Sandy, that's what the cultists ALWAYS say!

Thank you for pointing that out to me. I think you're right. I should be deprogrammed at once!

 

[windovervocalcords]

There are always a few who are ready to believe anything. seriously.

think about those who get junk mail through the door telling them:

YOU HAVE WON *L§¢!

or popups when surfing the net saying:

YOU HAVE A MESSAGE:

CLICK HERE!

most know it's marketing, some don't.

Same folks who say that jackalopes are real! (they know this for certain because they have seen pictures of them lol)

Fiction IS lying BTW

It may be speaking some truth, however. The truth that we live in a time of great cynicism about religion. We live in a time when the truth is difficult to find anywhere and when our trust has been betrayed by those in authority.

For this reason, and because some intuitively sense that the feminine has been written out of religion in general it does not surprise me that this fictional work is so compelling to have caused such controversy.

 

[IrishMist]

Oh, but Sandy, that's what the cultists ALWAYS say!

Maybe the movie seems credible. I don't know, I haven't seen it. But I still can't believe anyone takes that book seriously as history or theology.

(ETA: I said I can't believe anyone takes it seriously as history. Enjoying it as a fast-moving melodrama is another matter. I found it rather predictable, but to each his own.)

This is how I feel about the Bible. I don't mean any offense to those that believe otherwise! That's MY personal feeling. :hand:

 

[windovervocalcords]

This is how I feel about the Bible. I don't mean any offense to those that believe otherwise! That's MY personal feeling. :hand:

Hmm. Bold statement my friend. Brings up the question of truth. Literal truth versus allegory, teaching stories etc that are used to point out the truth.

IMO Truth is a living experience that can be pointed to but not shown by anyone else. IMO the Bible points to the Truth and each person has to find it through prayer, meditation, application of the principles.

I've always felt the Bible has great potential, in and of itself, to open the mind and heart and provide enrichment.

It's not been my personal experience of "bible thumpers" however. (that their minds are flexible and hearts are open).

At least someone who takes the time to read the Bible and apply it is TRYING to find the Way.

Its all any of us can do, our best.

 

[IrishMist]

Hmm. Bold statement my friend.

I've always felt the bible has great potential, in and of itself, to open the mind and heart and provide enrichment.

It's not been my personal experience of "bible thumpers" however.

Yeah, and probably about as far as I need to go in this forum! I don't want to offend anyone, and it's hard for some people to not take my disbelief of it personally. I'm not an atheist, just don't believe in the bible. That's a difficult concept for many to wrap their minds around... and as with anything controversial, it tends to be the same arguments from both sides...

 

[Floh]

Same folks who say that jackalopes are real! (they know this for certain because they have seen pictures of them lol)

Fiction IS lying BTW

It may be speaking some truth, however. The truth that we live in a time of great cynicism about religion. We live in a time when the truth is difficult to find anywhere and when our trust has been betrayed by those in authority.

For this reason, and because some intuitively sense that the feminine has been written out of religion in general it does not surprise me that this fictional work is so compelling to have caused such controversy.

Fiction IS lying BTW

Fiction is storytelling. the art of storytelling has be around for a long time in human history, BTW.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Yeah, and probably about as far as I need to go in this forum! I don't want to offend anyone, and it's hard for some people to not take my disbelief of it personally. I'm not an atheist, just don't believe in the bible. That's a difficult concept for many to wrap their minds around... and as with anything controversial, it tends to be the same arguments from both sides...

Naw. I did not think you were offensive at all. Many people feel as you do but do not say it.

That's what I meant about your statement being bold. It takes courage to go against the tide and find your own way.

And there are many paths to the Truth. Your's is not the Bible. No problem.

And it will be an incredulous statement for "Bible believers" I imagine.

 

[Floh]

Yeah, and probably about as far as I need to go in this forum! I don't want to offend anyone, and it's hard for some people to not take my disbelief of it personally. I'm not an atheist, just don't believe in the bible. That's a difficult concept for many to wrap their minds around... and as with anything controversial, it tends to be the same arguments from both sides...

Put into words with more diplomacy than i could manage. and i agree.

thank you.

 

[IrishMist]

Put into words with more diplomacy than i could manage. and i agree.

thank you.

Ok, everyone hold on so I can get the IrishMister and show him that SOMEONE has ACTUALLY called ME diplomatic!!
:woohoo:

Nah, on second thought, he'll just think I paid you...


Seriously. Thanks, Floh

 

[Floh]

Ok, everyone hold on so I can get the IrishMister and show him that SOMEONE has ACTUALLY called ME diplomatic!!
:woohoo:

Nah, on second thought, he'll just think I paid you...


Seriously. Thanks, Floh

I trust you wrote down the Swiss bank account number i sent you in pm correctly, didn't you? :waitasec:

 

[IrishMist]

I trust you wrote down the Swiss bank account number i sent you in pm correctly, didn't you? :waitasec:

:slap:

 

[IrishMist]

I just don't get it.

How's this:

These things are fact. There is a President of the United States. There have been scandals in the United States Government. Terrorists are real.

24 just wrapped up their season, and it turns out that the President of the United States was the bad guy all along, and was working with terrorists. Quite the scandal.

The office of the President should be honored and respected. Some people who watch the show might be led to believe that this kind of thing really has happened. Why isn't anyone calling for a boycott of 24?

I think it's cause they are scared of Jack Bauer...

 

[Amraann]

I'm sorry, Amraann, I can't agree that it is literary or poetic licence to state something as "fact" when it is not, in FACT, so. I call it lying.

Example - DVC Page 1. "FACT"

[font=Verdana, Arial]"The Priory of Sion – a secret European society founded in 1099– is a real organization. In 1975 Paris's Bibliotheqe Nationale discovered parchments known as Les Dossiers Secrets, identifying numerous members of the Priory of Sion, including Sir Isaac Newton, Botticelli, Victor Hugo, and Leonardo da Vinci."

It's easy to check this info at wikipedia.com:
[/font]The Prieuré de Sion, usually rendered in English translation as Priory of Sion or Priory of Zion, has, since the 1970s, been an elusive protagonist in many conspiratorial works of pseudohistory. It has been characterized as anything from the most influential secret society in Western history to a modern Rosicrucian-esque ludibrium, but, ultimately, has been proven to be a hoax created by Pierre Plantard. Most of the evidence presented in support of claims pertaining to its historical existence, let alone significance, has not been considered authentic or persuasive by established historians, academics and universities.

Now if Mr. Brown had, on the preceding page, stated that "this novel is a work of fiction" and then on the next page stated "FACT", and gone on to state the so-called facts, I would call that laying the groundwork for the taking of poetic or literary licence. He did not do that. imho, Dan Brown knew exactly what he was representing (or should I say "misrepresenting") as truth. He is not a stupid man...

imho

In "FACT" sandraladeda Fiction is story telling.. This book is marketted as FICTION.. If it was Marketed as non-fiction then it would be lying.
On the second page of the book it does say the following....

"This book is a work of fiction, Names, Characters, businesses, organizations, places, events, and incidents either are the product of the author's imgination or are used FICTITIOUSLY. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, events or locales is entirely coincidental."

This is indeed on a page preceeding the "fact" page. Therefore anything written in the pages of the novel are fiction.

 

[close_enough]

had to "pop over" & see if anyone has seen the movie, lol....

had plans to go today, but the weather is all funky here, ugh...my oldest son saw it...him & his wife thought it was a good movie..an old friend of theirs went with them...Sam said he looked over at Derrick, near the end of the movie, & "he had his head back, lightly snoring".....LOL
(i don't think he read the book, but i could be wrong)

i talked to a friend of mine, in MS, that saw it over the weekend...she used the words, she "thought it was great"....

 

[close_enough]

In "FACT" sandraladeda Fiction is story telling.. This book is marketted as FICTION.. If it was Marketed as non-fiction then it would be lying.
On the second page of the book it does say the following....

"This book is a work of fiction, Names, Characters, businesses, organizations, places, events, and incidents either are the product of the author's imgination or are used FICTITIOUSLY. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, events or locales is entirely coincidental."

This is indeed on a page preceeding the "fact" page. Therefore anything written in the pages of the novel are fiction.

yeah, it's in with the copyrights page...

 

[Details]

Fiction is not true, but not the same as a lie. A lie is intended to masquerade as the truth, the liar wants to be believed. The fiction writer makes no pretense this is true - the three bears don't live in a cottage, National Treasure doesn't tell people there are billions of dollars of priceless artifacts hidden in an old cemetary (although, like DVC, it is based with a lot of fact and near fact to make it more interesting), etc. Basing something on real institutions and such is something nearly all fiction does.