Venezuela - President Nicolas Maduro & his wife "captured and flown out of country" by U.S. Army Delta Force during "large scale attack" - Jan 3, 2026

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MelmothTheLost said:
Interesting .... News18 from India reported a year ago that under the 1917 agreement by which the US acquired then Danish colonies which became the USVI, the US recognised that Greenland was Danish in perpetuity.

And the agreement further provided that if ever Denmark wanted to dispose of the territory the UK would have first refusal.

This needs some digging into but is certainly an interesting new twist.
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Greenland is full of twists.

What ever Greenland was in 1917, Greenland is currently not automatically Danish in perpetuity.

Rather, Greenland became a self governing autonomous region that has the constitutional ability to declare independence from Denmark at any time.

As a result, Greenlanders (mostly indigenous) can choose whether or not they are Danish in perpetuity. Denmark does not get to decide the matter- and neither does Trump.

As for British Empire (does it truly exist today?) getting the right of first refusal, Greenlanders can now choose to which country they are transferred to- if any.
 
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Yellowbelly said:
I should think the British Empire's right of first refusal has been inherited by Canada, though.
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1917 was a looong time ago and in an era of colonies and Empires.

Currently, Greenlanders can decide their own future. They have the constitutional ability to declare independence from Denmark at any time.

And... nobody has the right of "first refusal". That includes the British Empire (if it still exists politically), Denmark and the United States. Rather, the Greenlanders decide their own status.
 
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Simple question here...... for better minds than mine.

The actual indictment charges Maduro with narco-terrorism; but we are hearing nothing of HOW the US is actually explaining and preparing for a trial?
The US messaging is all about how we now own the oil; we are not hearing how the US is going to be addressing the narco terrorism charges.

What are the specific legal connections between an arrest for narco-terrorism to an outcome of owning all the oil.

(just a simple comparison moo)
It's like the US arrests Jeffrey Epstein as a sexual predator, but the US only talks about divvying up his estate.
?????


Time Magazine is starting some solid question and answer reporting... for starters.

time.com

What’s Happening With the U.S. and Venezuela, Explained

Here are the basic questions about what happened on Jan. 3, the context you should know, and where things could go next, answered.
time.com time.com
 
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Cryptic said:
Greenland is full of twists.

What ever Greenland was in 1917, Greenland is currently not automatically Danish in perpetuity.

Rather, Greenland became a self governing autonomous region that has the constitutional ability to declare independence from Denmark at any time.

As a result, Greenlanders (mostly indigenous) can choose whether or not they are Danish in perpetuity. Denmark does not get to decide the matter- and neither does Trump.

As for British Empire (does it truly exist today?) getting the right of first refusal, Greenlanders can now choose to which country they are transferred to- if any.
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There is a separate WS thread about Greenland.

jmo
 
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I encourage folks to save this article... it really is chock full of good questions and attempts at answers.
Eventually all this shock and awe must be addressed legally. And ethically.

imo The United States of AMerical has totally destroyed its moral compass. moo moo. And as an American, this is just so so hard to live with as MY heritage. MY legacy. Listening to other AMericans trying to use "legal" and "intelligent" words to defend all the shock and awe is just painful . I just keep saying to myself---"am I going to go to my grave believing in the greater good, for all in this world or am I going to go to my grave believing the lies that I have been trained to believe just to defend my wrongness". moo moo. It really does come down to that, in my mind.

But many legal experts and lawmakers have questioned the legal basis for Trump’s attacks on Venezuela, arguing that the Administration has indiscriminately killed civilians without due process and used sustained force against Venezuela without clear evidence of an imminent threat or explicit congressional authorization. Several members of Congress have described the Administration’s actions as “illegal,” and have sought to rein in the President through bipartisan war powers resolutions, although none have become law.
time.com

What’s Happening With the U.S. and Venezuela, Explained

Here are the basic questions about what happened on Jan. 3, the context you should know, and where things could go next, answered.
time.com time.com
 
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Yellowbelly said:
Well, this could put the cat amongst the pigeons as far as Mr Trump's cunning plans for Venezuela are concerned -


I think he can veto such a resolution, though, so it would need 67 senators and about a third of the Republicans in the House to be on board to overide it.
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He just authorized military action in Venezuela but called it law enforcement and got around Congress.

jmopinion
 
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Yellowbelly said:
Well, this could put the cat amongst the pigeons as far as Mr Trump's cunning plans for Venezuela are concerned -


I think he can veto such a resolution, though, so it would need 67 senators and about a third of the Republicans in the House to be on board to overide it.
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Even if Congress grew a spine and overrode a veto, there is no real mechanism to enforce it should the administration ignore it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.
 
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US shale bosses have warned President Donald Trump that his mission to seize Venezuela’s oil sector and drive down crude prices will put American output on the chopping block. Trump is set to meet US Big Oil chiefs on Friday, but executives at large independent drillers — who are not on the attendee list — are seething over the president’s plan to flood America with Venezuelan crude.

 
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sds71 said:
US shale bosses have warned President Donald Trump that his mission to seize Venezuela’s oil sector and drive down crude prices will put American output on the chopping block. Trump is set to meet US Big Oil chiefs on Friday, but executives at large independent drillers — who are not on the attendee list — are seething over the president’s plan to flood America with Venezuelan crude.

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It does sound like it's shaping up to be an own goal.

Seems like only yesterday he was talking about making literally everything in the US - that's what all the tariffs were supposed to encourage, home industry and buying American.

This absolutely has the potential to do the opposite. I'm thinking of the coal industry in the UK in the '80s, whole villages with no other employers suddenly completely stranded.

There's one thing for certain - Texas won't like it. And that should worry him, given his approval ratings going in to midterms.

MOO
 
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iamshadow21 said:
It does sound like it's shaping up to be an own goal.

Seems like only yesterday he was talking about making literally everything in the US - that's what all the tariffs were supposed to encourage, home industry and buying American.

This absolutely has the potential to do the opposite. I'm thinking of the coal industry in the UK in the '80s, whole villages with no other employers suddenly completely stranded.

There's one thing for certain - Texas won't like it. And that should worry him, given his approval ratings going in to midterms.

MOO
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Own goal again 🙄
There is literally no strategic plan here. He rules from completely off the cuff depending on how he feels that day, and then people suffer the consequences. He tries to appease them with bailouts like the farmers. Will he bail out the independent oil guys too? Who is going to bail out the taxpayers who have to pay for this asshattery. How many businesses was it that he bankrupted?
 
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iamshadow21 said:
There's one thing for certain - Texas won't like it. And that should worry him, given his approval ratings going in to midterms.
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Wait, what was that thing he said during his last campaign in Pennsylvania? Ah yes...
Christians get out and vote just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it’ll be fixed. It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore.
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Somehow I do not think he is that concerned with ratings or anything democracy.
 
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Hexe said:
Wait, what was that thing he said during his last campaign in Pennsylvania? Ah yes...


Somehow I do not think he is that concerned with ratings or anything democracy.
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He definitely seems to view the trappings of dictatorship - rallies, statues, his name on things, buildings and edifices, an indefinite term of office, nepotism of hiring friends and family however unqualified for high ranking positions, annexing neighbouring countries, black ops squads with immunity from prosecution - with avarice, but doesn't seem to have read beyond that point in the history books.

Who wants to tell him how the story almost inevitably ends? Sic semper tyrannis, and all that entails...

MOO
 
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The Venezuela invasion in a larger context

 
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National Assembly president Jorge Rodríguez said the releases were “taking place immediately” and would include both Venezuelans and foreign nationals, though he did not specify how many or exactly who would be released. The move, he said in a message broadcast on the public television channel TeleSur, was meant to contribute to “national unity.”


It comes just days after the US captured Venezuela’s longtime authoritarian leader Maduro in a stunning military raid and took him to New York to face drug trafficking charges.
 
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Yellowbelly said:
Well, this could put the cat amongst the pigeons as far as Mr Trump's cunning plans for Venezuela are concerned -


I think he can veto such a resolution, though, so it would need 67 senators and about a third of the Republicans in the House to be on board to overide it.
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Even then if they got everybody on board, he will do whatever he wants -
Who is going to hold him accountable -
JMO
 
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