Verdict Watch 05/04/ and 05/05/2013

[Plumeria5]

Do they let this chick have a file in jail? Her nails are clean and straight. Not broken or jagged. WTF, her nails look well trimmed.

I posted a commissary list a few threads back after her tweet about it. I think they were on the list.
Here it is:
http://free-kevin-walsh.tripod.com/letters/kevin0706-2.html
Haven't checked it closely yet to see if it is on there.

Added: I take that back. Don't see nail things but I do see denture adhesive in her future.

 

[dani]

Where can I get a blue ribbon avtar-TIA

I just clicked on another poster's avatar and saved it to my desktop. Then went to CP User and followed directions for a "Custom Avatar", then clicked on the "Choose File" button. :twocents:

 

[katiedid2]

I think the jury is going to have a big problem with the DT's whole case

They are forgetting that Jodi drove to Travis and they want the jury to believe that a scared Jodi drove there..REALLy!!

The ME’s statement in the autopsy report that the “dura mater” was in tact is understandable but technically in error. After cutting the skull and exposing the brain the first view is the brain enclosed by the dura mater. At that stage of the autopsy the dura is indeed in tact. At this juncture the ME could comment about the presence or absence of a hemispheric subdural or epidural hematoma.

It is only after lifting the brain out of the calvarial vault can one see the injury to the undersurface of the right frontal lobe. Horn was correct in stating a bullet wound to the right forehead will of necessity cause dural injury at the point of bullet entry.
This technicality is a source of embarrassment but not fatal.
Conversely if the dura were totally categorically in tact the gunshot into TA head would have been miraculous. This means that the gunshot fragment would have entered the right frontal fossa, then glanced off of the right frontal dura, then passed parallel along the right frontal bone inner table, then curved around the right frontal lobe, then dived out of the skull near midline at the cribiform plate.

Finally I have argued since this case began in January that the ONLY valid medical expert testimony that goes to the question of the clinical effect of a gunshot wound to the forehead would be a trauma neurosurgeon. Pathologists do NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head EVER. A pathologist really is in NO position to opine about the clinical effects of a gunshot wound to the brain since he does NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head. Horn expressed the common knowledge that bullet fragments tend to tumble as they traverse brain substance and cause concussive shock waves that ripple out and away from the bullet track. It is the neurosurgeon who deals with all sorts of gunshot wounds to the head that wind up being nonfatal.

Horn forcefully reiterated his opinion that TA gunshot would have been incapacitating (but in my opinion certain NOT fatal) when recalled to testify. I will assume or at least hope that he had discussions with his neurosurgeon colleagues confirming this opinion was clinically sound.

There was no way right? That he could have had the ability to calling her names after getting his throat slashed! He was in no condition to chase her down.

 

[sysmanager1963]

Great first post Nymeria. :seeya:

Hope to hear more from you!

:wagon:

Perfect song Nymeria!!!

 

[marlap]

I agree....that was a really bad move on her and her d/t's part, And she showed no remorse. Even if it was self defense, which we know it wasn't, she should have at least tried to show remorse. But instead she tried to show how smart she was and how she thought she could up one on the prosecutor. BAD MOVE. She played right into his hands. Showing she was not a meek, non aggressive little girl. Showing she would go toe to toe with anyone.

Exactly....I remember watching her being questioned by Juan and thinking all she was doing was showing the jury how unafraid and bold she is....not at ALL a battered woman.

 

[katiedid2]

Oh and I think there towards the end of Juan's closing she was showing her Sybil side! I think
Jennifer w noticed it and wrote something to her. I think she tried to contain her feelings but had so much hatred for juan that she couldn't hide how she REALY felt.

Does anyone think wilmott was trying to get her to chill on her facial expressions?

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Omg that is so disgusting! :floorlaugh:

Hello, new to the site, been lurking a few weeks.
Not normally a trial watcher, but have always been interested in "true crime" and have kept up with a trial or two.
I started following Jaws' story (See my signature below, will explain why I think of her as such) and watching the trial a week or so before she got on the stand.
Found this site by googling some questions I had and have been reading the forum ever since. Just want to say thanks, I get a lot of info here and appreciate the time and effort put forth by the people of this site.

I actually wanted to mention something that popped into my head last night. I was watching TV and saw the commercial with a portion of "Waynes Wor
ld", the Bohemian Rhapsody car ride. So anyway, I went to Youtube to hear the whole song, and the actual lyrics practically slapped me in the face in a way they never had before....see if you get what I mean-

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy (girl!), I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all


If only the song did not imply regret, it would be her to a "T".

Then again, this line fits to perfection-

Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
for me
for me

Looking forward to this week, to watch her face when that Jury comes in with what SHOULD be the correct verdict.
Justice for Travis.

Welcome!
Funny you should post this. I just posted a scene from Waynes World in the spoof thread. It was the scene where Waynes ex gave him a gun rack and he tells her Hey, are you mental? We broke up? It reminded me of Jodi!

 

[ToothPickle Sticks]

The money will transfer to her new "accomodations". But I think her tweet meant that she had ordered commissary items and they weren't delivered. Happens sometimes if commissary dept gets behind. Poor, poor JA... meanwhile Travis lies dead in a grave. She is such a sicko.

aawwww that's just too day-um bad.

 

[dani]

Not a caption but a question about her nails. Do they let this chick have a file in jail? Her nails are clean and straight. Not broken or jagged. WTF, her nails look well trimmed.

I would imagine an emery board is OK. Kinda hard to "sand" someone to death. :floorlaugh:

 

[polleypockets]

Who is Thomas Brown anyway? I've always been confused about this. Is he the guy the Jodi said Travis didn't like to Flores, called him a deviant? shifting blame on someone else in the beginning?

thomas brown was an ex room mate of travis' - i guess in his initial interviews he told flores jodi had open access to travis' home when he lived there, and didn't know if jodi was capable of this. also he was the name that jodi gave flores when thy first talked on phone as a possible suspect, also IIRC he was the guy who gave the interview saying that travis called him right b4 jodi arrived saying he was surprised she was coming over and travis was supposedly doing a protection ritual b4 jodi arrived that night, how ever i don't think that was ever established because i think the police checked records and didn't see any phone calls - if i remember right - and after about 3 interviews w/ him the police and PT didn't follow up w/ him any more

 

[marlap]

Oh and I think there towards the end of Juan's closing she was showing her Sybil side! I think
Jennifer w noticed it and wrote something to her. I think she tried to contain her feelings but had so much hatred for juan that she couldn't hide how she REALY felt.

Does anyone think wilmott was trying to get her to chill on her facial expressions?

I bet Jennifer TRIED to direct JA's behavior early on but by the middle of the trial had given up.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Hello, new to the site, been lurking a few weeks.
Not normally a trial watcher, but have always been interested in "true crime" and have kept up with a trial or two.
I started following Jaws' story (See my signature below, will explain why I think of her as such) and watching the trial a week or so before she got on the stand.
Found this site by googling some questions I had and have been reading the forum ever since. Just want to say thanks, I get a lot of info here and appreciate the time and effort put forth by the people of this site.

I actually wanted to mention something that popped into my head last night. I was watching TV and saw the commercial with a
portion of "Waynes World", the Bohemian Rhapsody car ride. So anyway, I went to Youtube to hear the whole song, and the actual lyrics practically slapped me in the face in a way they never had before....see if you get what I mean-

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy (girl!), I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all


If only the song did not imply regret, it would be her to a "T".

Then again, this line fits to perfection-

Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
for me
for me

Looking forward to this week, to watch her face when that Jury comes in with what SHOULD be the correct verdict.
Justice for Travis.

Sorry about the double quote . I'm on mt tablet and don't know how the giggle one got on mt last quote to you!

 

[camcneishg]

I just clicked on another poster's avatar and saved it to my desktop. Then went to CP User and followed directions for a "Custom Avatar", then clicked on the "Choose File" button. :twocents:

that would not work for me....keeps saying "incorrect file extension"

 

[GaMom13]

Not a caption but a question about her nails. Do they let this chick have a file in jail? Her nails are clean and straight. Not broken or jagged. WTF, her nails look well trimmed.

Maybe one of the cardboard emery boards? Not much danger there?

 

[gcharlie]

I wouldn't be surprised if the jury announces they have verdict just before lunch, with the verdict to be read an hour and a half later.

That was my guess. They may agree within the first hour and then decide to give themselves some time to vent/commiserate and then try to enjoy lunch together before the verdict is read.

If I were one of these jurors, if a quick verdict were reached, I would still need to be able to talk to fellow jurors and let go of any portion of what had been bottled up inside for months...they heard the same things that I did and I'd need that exchange. Laughs, disgust, curiosity, whatever.

 

[gauntlet]

I bet Jennifer TRIED to direct JA's behavior early on but by the middle of the trial had given up.

JW's behaviour isn't much better though, esp as DP qualified attorney

 

[SunnyinMO]

[video=youtube;MPzgBtGLYQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPzgBtGLYQE[/video]

A tribute to the family of Travis Alexander for the pain they have endured in this ordeal.

WARNING TISSUE ALERT!!! I hope it's OK to post this.....if not please, please do not send me on a TO

 

[SyraKelly]

that would not work for me....keeps saying "incorrect file extension"

me to

 

[marlap]

that would not work for me....keeps saying "incorrect file extension"

I had the exact same problem after following the instructions to the letter. I private messaged Beach and she changed it for me.

 

[lisasalinger]

Thank you for your response.

Well, I was just thinking about this and Motive is a huge crux for murdering someone and which would explain premeditation or "snapping"

IMO, there truly wasn't enough emphasis on Motive. The jury doesn't need to know Who did it; they need to know Why. Motive would lend itself to this question. I've watched the entire trial. I'm just not sure her Motive was explained in a concise way to the jury. We know a lot more than they do.

I will very respectfully disagree with you on your post. Here is why... Who did it is FAR more important than why they did it. Although motive is great to have, legally it is not required to obtain a verdict (that is law, not just my opinion).

I also watched the entire trial and all of the elements needed to prove 1st degree premeditated murder are there: That is all you need for a conviction.

1. Her DNA, palm print, hair and photos prove that SHE committed the crime.

2. Crime scene photos, victim photos, autopsy photos clearly show WHAT was done to the victim.

3. Cover-up was proven by clean up of the scene, clean up of herself, putting the dog behind a fence and locking the bedroom door, cleaning and repositioning of the corpse, deletion of the photos, towels and camera bleached in washing machine, fake phone call to Travis later that day, alibi of Ryan Burns, lied, lied, lied and acted (very successfully) like nothing was wrong to everybody she knew.

4. Premeditation elements proven by rental car 90 miles away, gas cans, hair color change, phone turned off entire time in AZ, license plate... She kept a meticulous track of everything she did everywhere EXCEPT AZ... That was deliberate, regardless of what the defense argues. BUT, even if you choose to consider all of those items as coincidence (which is an enormous mental feat)... then you need to consider this extremely important point:

Premeditation can happen in seconds. It does not require a plan. The act of her going from gun to knife is proof alone that she KNEW she would kill him. Again, Juan laid this out brilliantly in closing... everybody knows a slash to the neck will kill someone. She didn't stop there (or begin there). She stabbed him in the heart with a KNIFE. She shot him in the head with a GUN. The few minutes it took to commit this crime and change weapons is PREMEDITATION. That has been proven.

The ONLY way you can legally not find her guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder with all of these factors shown and proven in court, is to believe her story that she "accidently" shot him with his gun that she thought was unloaded, that she obtained from his closet in the midst of a struggle that oh by the way was completely pristine after the crime, and that she blacked out and doesn't remember the stabbing or cleaning or driving or lying for hours after. It defies logic.

So with all due respect, no... motive doesn't matter here. (Although, I firmly believe it was laid out very well during the trial).

We all wish we had clear answers as to why people do what they do, because it's not comfortable to believe that such evil exists in this world. Sadly, it does and history has proven that.

Please don't get caught up in the "weeds" as they say. Focus on the facts of the case and a more clear picture will emerge for you.

Thanks for listening to my side of things