verdict watch 5/7/2013 #2

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I'm not the arbiter of good and bad people. I was speaking only for myself. Everyone's entitled to their feelings and opinions. The questions I always ask myself is "is this feeling/emotion positive or productive" and "is it harmonious with my self-image." I could get even more touchy/feely than that, but I'll leave it there. :) jmo

Probably why I won't follow any more trials! I think of myself as a reasonable person. I get seriously angry and break all of my real world rules for my own behavior.
 
ITA. The jury foreperson could be a teacher/principal. They want to go from beginning-end. (analytical type).

BTW~ My mom buys Jodi's "fog". :facepalm: But, she's only watched HLN and not as closely as us WS'ers have.

I don't know, I'm so nervious right now I can't think straight. I just hope they didn't elect a doofus foreman like the Casey jury foreman. I have a feeling the foreman on this jury is directing them to go through ALL the testimony/evidence from Day 1 of the trial going all the way through the end. And for them to be taking this long, I feel like he/she has told the jury "ok let's just not focus on the lying, because just because she lied doesn't mean she did it (as in premeditation)." I just have this gut feeling that what this jury is doing is just disregarding the lying aspect of it, even her lying on the stand. Who knows, maybe they believed her when she said her brain got scrambled when Juan was questioning her??
Agghhh!!! I feel like we're never gonna get the "Trial Verdict Watch" big bold letters on the bottom of HLN OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
For those with time and worry, I'd recommend listening to Tricia's show from Sunday where Chris Hughes talks for nearly 3 hours about his relationship with Travis and many unspoken aspects of this case. Or just ff to the end where he gives a "What Would Travis Say" speech of sorts which is very inspiring. If you're worried, it will make you feel better I feel sure.

Just a suggestion:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...as-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern


:tyou: KCL!
I plan to take a listen soon... probably sometime in my worried sleeplessness tonight. I'd be a lot less worried if you could share this with the jurors, along with everything else WE know that they don't! I worry so much about all the evidence that has been precluded from this trial... it's just not fair to Travis, IMO.

Sorry if this is a redundant question, but what do your heart, mind, and gut tell you the jurors are thinking at this point in their deliberations? I trust and value your opinions so very much... Thanks In Advance!!!

:yourock:
 
Does it make me a bad person if I do? Her arrogance is just infuriating to me. The tweets ... the laughing in court... All of it. I do get some relief thinking her life sucks. I hate to see anyone enjoy life in any way shape or form after they took another for no good reason.

I agree that her behavior is infuriating and that she is not free to do as she wishes does give some relief. We all have a need to see "fairness" in this world. We often don't see that, so if her life being contained to a small cell with little freedom gives you (and me) some sense of fairness I think that is normal and ok.

NO one on here, that I have seen, has ever suggested that JA should be abused in jail, but I feel it is important to state that I do NOT believe that anyone, even a prisoner who has done a heinous crime like JA, should be abused. I am NOT saying she is... I see NO signs of abuse of her and we all KNOW the DT would be screaming from the rooftops if they saw anything they could even imply is abusive treatment of her. However, I have, and probably many others here, have heard of horrible things guards and other prison personnel have done to prisoners (rape, physical abuse, etc). NO ONE deserves that and if we reach a point where we think that is ok, in my opinion, we have lost our humanity. Just like JA.
 
the jurors laughing doesn't mean they're not taking their duty seriously. they can't be sullen for eight hours out of the day. people need humor to survive. their stoicism wouldn't honor Travis. they could be laughing at a multitude of things related or unrelated to the case. it just doesn't matter.

all that matters is they deliberate and get the right verdict.
 
Ah yes. Dr. Samuels who coined the phrase "Alternate reality". :floorlaugh:

It was also quite apparent he had a crush on Jodi.

That comment from Samuels definitely goes on the top 10 :help: things that came from the defense. Along with JW making the brilliant observation that you cannot extract information from a deceased person and ALV saying "no," when asked point blank by the jury if she thought that JA was the bigger perpetrator of domestic violence.

Won't even address Geffner's repeated spilling and belching...or Nurmi's unfortunate nasal excavations.
 
People! Don't let your PTSD from the Pinellas 12 debacle take over your minds like a thick FOG :stormingmad:... take a deep breath, remain calm, cool and collected and have a lil faith that this jury has the RIGHT STUFF. Give em a little time to be thorough, to cross all their T's and dot their i's... I like that they are taking this seriously (unlike the 12 we saw in Flor-i-DUH) They have all the information they need to come to the one and only conclusion that fits. They WILL get this one right!
 
Professional as in, paid for their expertise? What qualifications would they need?

I know our system isn't perfect, but I'm not ready to trade my right to "jury of my peers" for potential "hired guns".

If I lived in Arizona I would get behind drafting a bill to limit unsubstantiated evidence that was created for sole purpose of discrediting the victim. It seems entirely possible to do in this case, given what we know.

Maybe there should be a course of study to become a professional juror. I agree with this. Or maybe trials should be by a panel of judges!
 
I agree that her behavior is infuriating and that she is not free to do as she wishes does give some relief. We all have a need to see "fairness" in this world. We often don't see that, so if her life being contained to a small cell with little freedom gives you (and me) some sense of fairness I think that is normal and ok.

NO one on here, that I have seen, has ever suggested that JA should be abused in jail, but I feel it is important to state that I do NOT believe that anyone, even a prisoner who has done a heinous crime like JA, should be abused. I am NOT saying she is... I see NO signs of abuse of her and we all KNOW the DT would be screaming from the rooftops if they saw anything they could even imply is abusive treatment of her. However, I have, and probably many others here, have heard of horrible things guards and other prison personnel have done to prisoners (rape, physical abuse, etc). NO ONE deserves that and if we reach a point where we think that is ok, in my opinion, we have lost our humanity. Just like JA.

If I didn't follow the Casey Anthony case I would have been outraged like the rest of the world ...BUT since I knew all there was to know about it ... It royally pissed me off to the point where I lost faith in our justice system. I don't want to know that much about a murder case ever again. This will be my last trial.
 
We are on the same page. I am not laughing at unfair treatment or anything like that. The :floorlaugh: is because IF he limits it to 40 a month, she is under that restriction right now. I think that is fair. (and if you watch the YouTube video filmed inside the Maricopa County Jail you will see that the girls in the "bunkbed" section of the jail get away with FAR MORE than should be allowed in any jail.) I agree that her having singing competitions, access to art supplies, very lax phone restrictions, etc is much more than other prisons allow. (having a relative who due to addiction issues has had several stints in jail or prison gives me far more info than I ever wanted about what is "normal" in a jail/prison setting).

Some are very against Sheriff Joe and say the things he does are against the prisoners "civil rights". I will be the first to admit that I don't have in-depth info on Sheriff Joe. However, the restrictions I have heard that he has on his jails are in no way abusive.
Because of a mention of the "chain gangs" here on WS, I looked up info about them during this trial. What I learned was that the "controversial" chain gangs are VOLUNTARY. No one is "forced" to be on the chain gang, and many choose it as it gets them outside, out of the prison walls, and some like the sense of "service" it gives them. IE: once a month the "chain gang" goes to a local pauper's cemetery and digs the graves for the indigent that need burials. There is an article that includes interviews of some of the women involved and they state it gives them a sense of service and honor to be a part of giving that person their final resting place. IMO

My ex-SIL was on Sheriff Joe's chain gang and as far as I know it was not voluntary. She is Peri Brown and she misses her Clinique. LOL!! The son she mentions is my husband's nephew.

"The chained-up line of prisoners is not a tough, jailhouse crew of B-movies with gruff manners and trodden self-esteem. Rather, these are women who get up early to style their hair and apply jail-issue makeup. ("I miss my Clinique," inmate Peri Brown says.) After an hour spent with the chain gang, you stop seeing the stripes and start seeing their faces. Deep inside, they're just girls"

The chained-up line of prisoners is not a tough, jailhouse crew of B-movies with gruff manners and trodden self-esteem. Rather, these are women who get up early to style their hair and apply jail-issue makeup. ("I miss my Clinique," inmate Peri Brown says.) After an hour spent with the chain gang, you stop seeing the stripes and start seeing their faces. Deep inside, they're just girlsBrown hasn't told her son about being on the chain gang yet; he's deeply religious and doing missionary work overseas. If he knew where she was, it would break his heart, Brown says.



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com.../0108210330_1_chain-gang-work-on-chain-arpaio
 
I love your post and agree with you on most of it except I have a problem with the bolded part.

Since Nurmi said this, I've heard so many people changing their minds from premed to a lesser charge. I've heard lots of people say that Nurmi was brilliant to say this because it casts so much doubt over premed.

Why didn't Jodi kill Travis when she first arrived? Why not while watching videos at 4am? Why not while Travis slept?

I have 1 thing to say:

I hope to God that this jury is smart enough to remember that Travis did NOT live alone. I can't imagine anyone would consider murdering someone while there were other people in the house unless they were completely insane or planning on killing them too.

I do agree that it's GREAT defense tactic only as to confuse the jury. Like I said, I hope the jury is smarter than that and has some common sense.

I think one mistake Juan did was make Jodi seem smarter han she really is. She may have a high IQ score, but that DOES NOT MEAN SHE's "smart", which to me is a very broad term. Yes, she was smart ON THAT TEST. She is NOT SMART when it comes to real life. And apparently, she's not "smart" in the general way people use it because SHE DIDN"T EVEN GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL. I think this was a bad mistake on Juan's part, probably his only mistake the whole trial. And Nurmi used it to his advantage.

Nurmi took the leap and said that because of this supposed intelligence, Jodi was supposed to pull off the perfect crime. To me, Jodi is as dumb as a rock. And some of the mistakes she made were DUMB. But we have to remember, that that is looking at it in hindsight...Jodi NEVER THOUGHT SHE WOULD GET CAUGHT. She was doing those things in the hope of never getting caught, not setting up the scene for a trial 5 years down the road. She was setting the scene of never even being in a trial. So yes, some things don't make sense now, but they would make sense looking at it from the viewpoint of a person trying not to be caught in the first place.

About the why didn't she kill him first, I believe based on the time she gave Ryan Burns of her arrival in Utah, that she planned to kill him early in the morning, right after both roomates left. She was planning on that tme for having sex, then Travis shower, then go through with the plan. Well, obviously the reason the time could have changed is because she COULDN"T CONTROL THE TIME TRAVIS TOOK THE SHOWER. This seems very obvous to me. And she couldn't just shoot him, that would made her PRIME SUSPECT NUMBER ONE. If it were as simple as a gunshot, everyone would point to her and believe she did it. Little did she know fingers would point to her anyway, but she didn't THINK THEY WOULD, because of the brutal way she killed him, and the fact that with the stabbing and gunshot, it looked like two people did it. She was right on some of that point....as you see even now when we KNOW it was Jodi, people are still questioning well if she stabbed him then why did she shoot him too?
 
Quite a few of us have said there's things we know that that jury doesn't so I thought we'd start a list. Is there anything on this list yet that makes you think, if I didn't know that, I would be struggling to make a decision? Not yet for me....

What do we know that the jury doesn't?

Please cut and paste list - don't quote


JA tweets
Dr. Samuels sent her 8(?) greeting cards. (Thanks SD)
fake pedo letters
Travis and the spidies photo with his dad
Knives and gun found in hire car (Thanks mobius99)
JA's 2nd degree murder plea and threat to drag Travis through the mud
Interrogation tapes (majority of content)
-mumble things like "still hate me?" and giggle ominously. (Thanks amberjul)
-flipping her hair around and checking her make-up ... (Thanks DGC)
-JA Handstands
JA's parents tapes
JA kicking/killing doggy boy
Chris Hughes stories
- JA eavesdropping at door/ evil look
- JA sitting at table for further hour after Sky told her to go
plea agreement with threat to trash Travis
Some of JA's actions and her family's in court. We see close up because of the camera.s
Nurmi trying to leave the case 1000 times, okay 3 times
Nurmi's mistrial attempts
The HLN "drama"
JA spiderman t-shirt photo
Jailhouse fights ( Thank you S9)
JA potential fraud / tapping into Travis's bank account
JA previously on ticket to go to Cancun (not confirmed)
JA 'art'
Stealing pens in jail ... hiding pens in shampoo bottles ... unauthorized creams and lotions ... Thank you DGC
Sticking pencils in her shoe... (Thanks amberjul)
MS passing notes to JA's mom
JA's outside 'representative'
Dr D's laptop being stolen
911 call - Mimi and everyone else mentioning JA's name as person of suspicion
Cost of trial
ALV approaching Travis' sister (thanks Midwest Mama)
Whatever ALV was "taken to task" for in chambers (thanks Midwest Mama)
Nurmi lying to the Hughes about validity of pedo letters (thanks Midwest Mama)
JA's mom writing to Nurmi / JA's mom helping to her get hire car
JA's happy smiles when Jury is out of sight
Tire slashing multiple times of both TA & Lisa's tires, and the email sent to Lisa (Thanks OAZ)
Oh the CONTENT of the video viewed in court of TA w/ white/blonde thing on lap (Thanks OAZ)
Funny biz with Helio cell phone.. claimed lost (IRRC melted chocolate?) got replacement which had sex tape/photos claimed lost but then found in G'parents car (Thank you OAZ)
Incident w/ Clancy in bathroom WHICH sounds almost like incident she claims happened between Abe & TA (Thank you OAZ)
That her & Abe only went on 1 date (my impression is she's insinuated more of a relationship to jury) (Thank you OAZ)
"fake stalker of JA" email that JA wrote and showed Travis to try to get him to tell her to move to AZ
 
If this goes to a hung jury, I'm not watching this case again.

and I doubt the state would want to try her again.
 
Quite a few of us have said there's things we know that that jury doesn't so I thought we'd start a list. Is there anything on this list yet that makes you think, if I didn't know that, I would be struggling to make a decision? Not yet for me but it has made me see a lot of the JA history does influence my perception of her....

What do we know that the jury doesn't?

Please cut and paste list - don't quote


old list
 
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