VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Break 2/27 thru 3/2 #2

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  • #141
I still don't get why she didn't allocute. She needs ONE juror. Cry, act crazy, beg for your life. If you get ONE juror to your side the quality of your incarceration dramatically improves. A job, classes, possibility of medium security in a dorm type setting and much more time out of a cell and more visitation etc v. 23 hour lockdown and no contact with others and very restricted visitation.
To me the odds of convincing one person to spare your life are better than her Hail Mary closed courtroom prospective appeal ever will be


I think she viewed this penalty phase retrial as her chance to redo the first trial, her way, not as a chance to present mitigation as WE understand it.

It really bothered her that the first jury believed she premeditated the murder, and it really pizzed her off that Nurmi didn't investigate her accusations of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on Travis' computer. Most of all, this retrial was her chance to make her fullest, dirtiest case that Travis deserved to die.

I'm with BritsKate on JA's longer game. I think JA truly believes her guilt verdict will be overturned. LWOP or DP...what difference, then, since she'll be out altogether soon enough. She's 100% adjusted to being in the system already and the DP has all the advantages discussed here so often. Why give the Alexanders the satisfaction of saying she's sorry when she doesn't have to, especially if some folks might get the impression she actually regrets killing him?
 
  • #142
Ok, I'm of the opinion that JA took pictures of pictures with Travis new camera. Back before I had a scanner, I would go this to make copies of family photos using a homemade "picture box" and a tripod, but this discussion from Nov of 2007, talks about other ways to do it even then, it also somewhat explains why some are slightly blurry.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-restoration/19470-take-picture-picture.html

I was trying to quote the other comments on the pictures, but my phone won't cooperate :(

Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk Blue
 
  • #143
But they did almost all their canoodling outside the presence of the jury. I think it's true though that part of that unusual person's job was to keep JA from showing her true self in court. A minder,who kicked her under the table to tell her "doodle, damn it" whenever JA stared too long at autopsy photos, or at herself on video, or when she glared with too obvious menace at Deanna on the stand. Like that.

She did some part of her job well, sadly,because we never had occasion to see JA zapped.

That said, I find it appalling her contract was renewed. Not because of her vulgarity in and out of court, but because I think she violated her own SW profession's ethical standards in a major way by aiding and abetting and exploiting mentally ill JA followers.

I agree, the ideal would have been to play 'tea party' in front of the jury, but that just wasn't possible. I think you're right though, that a lot of their chit-chat was MDLR coaching her on 'innocent behavior 101' as she best understood it.

As far as MDLR's cheer leading the lunatic fringe, that's the only kind of fringe JA dragged along with her, so she had to literally play the cards she was dealt, and deal with consequences.
 
  • #144
Wow, she actually said that, huh? You know... she's right about one thing. She really IS a used piece of toilet paper.

She also said tgat Nurmi told her she had "no mitigating factors" to really work with. That her "mother didn't beat her hard enough". She states there was no real abuse or drug use in her family.
 
  • #145
I think she viewed this penalty phase retrial as her chance to redo the first trial, her way, not as a chance to present mitigation as WE understand it.

It really bothered her that the first jury believed she premeditated the murder, and it really pizzed her off that Nurmi didn't investigate her accusations of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on Travis' computer. Most of all, this retrial was her chance to make her fullest, dirtiest case that Travis deserved to die.

I'm with BritsKate on JA's longer game. I think JA truly believes her guilt verdict will be overturned. LWOP or DP...what difference, then, since she'll be out altogether soon enough. She's 100% adjusted to being in the system already and the DP has all the advantages discussed here so often. Why give the Alexanders the satisfaction of saying she's sorry when she doesn't have to, especially if some folks might get the impression she actually regrets killing him?

I guess they think the verdict will be overturned based on 🤬🤬🤬🤬? Or that she wasn't allowed to testify and allocute in a closed and sealed proceeding because she has BPD and was nervous? Good luck with that

Her allocution apparently worked on the first jury. She managed to convince one man that she was a victim of DV that could contribute in prison.

High stakes indeed
 
  • #146
I agree, the ideal would have been to play 'tea party' in front of the jury, but that just wasn't possible. I think you're right though, that a lot of their chit-chat was MDLR coaching her on 'innocent behavior 101' as she best understood it.

As far as MDLR's cheer leading the lunatic fringe, that's the only kind of fringe JA dragged along with her, so she had to literally play the cards she was dealt, and deal with consequences.


Up to a point, perhaps, but MDLR went up to that point, revved her engine, and blew past it, honking her horn.

So, McGoo by affadivit, even, though everyone on the DT knew he was lying. But NOT teaming up with the lunatics to arrange 3way phone calls, "art" sales, the solicitation of other liars to testify in secret, etc.

When she did all that MDLR may not have violated the law- guess not if her contract was renewed, but her profession is social work. As in, help the disturbed to cope with reality, NOT feed their mental illness.

If the State of AZ won't sanction her perhaps watchdogs in her profession will. Not holding my breath.
 
  • #147
She also said tgat Nurmi told her she had "no mitigating factors" to really work with. That her "mother didn't beat her hard enough". She states there was no real abuse or drug use in her family.

"the truth will set you free" but every rule admits exception.
 
  • #148
If she isn't a psychopath, I wouldn't even know what to begin to use as a phrase to describe her. She clearly exhibits a lot of traits and behaviors associated with psychopathy or malignant narcissism, or antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders. For reminder's sake, I'll list some below. (I've left off ASPD & NPD in the interest of space and because the psychopathy checklists already include core features of both disorders.) Malignant narcissism is considered by many as a slightly less severe form of psychopathy.

Just a note about the allocution...if Jodi had allocuted, she couldn't use that as her grounds for the appeal that's guaranteed to free her. ;) If you'd convinced yourself that not allocuting because you can't do so in secret was your key to freedom, would you allocute? I know I'd keep that ace in my back pocket. JMO

Psychopathy (per Cleckley):
1. Considerable superficial charm and average or above average intelligence.
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.
3. Absence of anxiety or other “neurotic” symptoms. Considerable poise, calmness and verbal facility.
4. Unreliability, disregard for obligations, no sense of responsibility, in matters of little and great import.
5. Untruthfulness and insincerity.
6. Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorly planned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.
7. Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior.
8. Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience.
9. Pathological egocentricity. Total self-centeredness and an incapacity for real love and attachment.
10. General poverty of deep and lasting emotions.
11. Lack of any true insight; inability to see oneself as others do.
12. Ingratitude for any special considerations, kindness and trust.
13. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes even when not drinking. Vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts, pranks for facile entertainment.
14. No history of genuine suicide attempts.
15. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated sex life.
16. Failure to have a life plan and to live in any ordered way (unless it is for destructive purposes or a sham).

Psychopathy (per Hare):
1. GLIB AND SUPERFICIAL CHARM — the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath never gets tongue-tied. He can also be a great listener, to simulate empathy while zeroing in on his targets’ dreams and vulnerabilities, to be able to manipulate them better.
2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH — a grossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.
3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM — an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.
4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING — can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative and dishonest.
5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS: the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one’s victims.
6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT: a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’s victims.
7. SHALLOW AFFECT: emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness and superficial warmth.
8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY: a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE: an intentional, manipulative, selfis, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline and the inability to carry through one’s responsibilities.
10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS: expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR: a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of numerous, multiple relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity (rape) or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits and conquests.
12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS: a variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use and running away from home.
13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS: an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
14. IMPULSIVITY: the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations and momentary urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic and reckless.
15. IRRESPONSIBILITY: repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.
16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS: a failure to accept responsibility for one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.
17. MANY SHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIPS: a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including in marital and familial bonds.
18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY: behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.
19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE: a revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation or failing to appear.
20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY: a diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes or wrongdoings.
 
  • #149
That would be a risky move and JSS has been far from a risky person. I just can't imagine her taking a chance on potential charges of juror misconduct or some other grounds for mistrial by Nurmi if the jury had announced they had a verdict and yet were told to go home for three days. As far as I know, once you have a verdict, it gets announced. You want the case locked down. Now it is possible the jury may have decided and just wants to sleep on it but I don't find it at all probable that they announced they had reached a decision and then JSS told them to go home.

While I agree risky it's apparently not unheard of in that courthouse, during Marissa Devault's trial, closing arguments finished approx. 3:30 on a Thurday, the judge didn't let them begin deliberating until the next Monday, and stated it would take them 45 minutes to round up the lawyers so if a verdict came in late in the day, it would be read the next time court was in session, here's a couple quotes from that thread:

Originally Posted by Bernina View Post

"Trial Diva Jen ™ ‏@TrialDivasJ 2m
Deliberations don't start until Monday #MarissaDevault"

Trial Diva Sharee™ ‏@TrialDivasS 55s
Deliberation schedule Monday thru Thursday 10:30 - 4:15 #MarissaDevault

I am totally confused.....saw 2 tweets that they wouldn't start til Monday, but the Judge said otherwise in the live feed, and also said if the verdict was later than 4:15, it would have to wait to be read til the following day due to 45 minutes of rounding up all the attorneys.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-his-sleep/page33&highlight=Marissa+Devault
 
  • #150
I would like to share a story and then I have a point at the end.

My sister, her husband, and little 2 year old daughter were in a horrible car accident, years ago, 1976. They were hit by a drunk driver who ran a stop sign onto a major road with speed limit of 75.
Everyone was hurt and hospitalized. My niece didn't make it. She was a little angel on earth. Always laughing and smiling, so tiny for her age and had the longest and most beautiful hair, for a 2 year old. Her hair was light brown but a golden color and way past her little back side, with the perfect little curl on the ends. My sister and I would talk about how she must have the hair for a reason. Little did we know at the time, the reason was, to put under the little bonnet she wore with her frilly little dress, laying in her casket. (they had to cute her hair, shave her little head for brain surgery.) My sister was in too bad of a shape to attend her funeral. My sister had a wonderful Mormon family from her church. They stayed by her side and prayed with her and help nurse her back to being healthy. I don't know if she would have recovered without them. To this day I think about their kindness and how they never said anything negative about the drunk driver that killed our little angel. As for me, my heart turned to stone, hate, revenge, torment, sadness, and all at the same time I was in so much pain and suffering. I was in such a bad place. My sister saved me. After some time had passed, I went to visit her and was going to stay a week with her. She seemed so different, so at peace. She talked about only positive things about her child. The good times. She would say, remember when Chrystal would come sit in your lap at the dinner table, and even though she had her own plate she wanted to share yours. Remember how she always wanted to help you do everything you were doing. Remember how she always wanted you to be the one to wash her hair. It was amazing and I couldn't understand how she did it. My heart was still stone. I had seen her crying in private at night, but the next day she was positive again. Then she lowered the boom on me. She knew I wasn't moving on too well, that I was suffering. She had been through more than I had, she was her mother. So, she sat me down and told me that I was letting hate, revenge and all the negative things control me. She told me that I needed to pray. (I had prayed and prayed but not in the right way) She told me, that I had to pray and ask for the ability to forgive the man that was drunk, and ran the stop sign and killed our little angel. Wow! That was so out of the question I thought at first. But, she lead me in prayer and I was serious and it was like a million pounds was lifted off my shoulders. If someone else had told me to do that, I wouldn't have believed them. We cried for hours. Then we both started only thinking of all the good precious memories. I realized what an amazing strong caring women my sister was. I hadn't known this before. My point of sharing this is, TA's family at some point will have to do this to move on with their lives. Having a hard hateful heart will ruin your life. I hope their Mormon family will help them and they will seek counseling, if they have to. MOO, the DP isn't going to help them. I know that is what they want, but in truth that isn't going to help them heal. I believe it will be worse because that will always be in their minds of if and when it would be carried out. It's just more negativity. I know they believe JA deserves it. I hope someday they will find peace otherwise JA will have taken more of their lives too. JMOO.
 
  • #151
Up to a point, perhaps, but MDLR went up to that point, revved her engine, and blew past it, honking her horn.

So, McGoo by affadivit, even, though everyone on the DT knew he was lying. But NOT teaming up with the lunatics to arrange 3way phone calls, "art" sales, the solicitation of other liars to testify in secret, etc.

When she did all that MDLR may not have violated the law- guess not if her contract was renewed, but her profession is social work. As in, help the disturbed to cope with reality, NOT feed their mental illness.

If the State of AZ won't sanction her perhaps watchdogs in her profession will. Not holding my breath.

If they're of a kind, I'd expect the emphasis on 'dogs' rather than 'watch', with no offense intended to dogs in actual fact.
 
  • #152
I would like to share a story and then I have a point at the end.

My sister, her husband, and little 2 year old daughter were in a horrible car accident, years ago, 1976. They were hit by a drunk driver who ran a stop sign onto a major road with speed limit of 75.
Everyone was hurt and hospitalized. My niece didn't make it. She was a little angel on earth. Always laughing and smiling, so tiny for her age and had the longest and most beautiful hair, for a 2 year old. Her hair was light brown but a golden color and way past her little back side, with the perfect little curl on the ends. My sister and I would talk about how she must have the hair for a reason. Little did we know at the time, the reason was, to put under the little bonnet she wore with her frilly little dress, laying in her casket. (they had to cute her hair, shave her little head for brain surgery.) My sister was in too bad of a shape to attend her funeral. My sister had a wonderful Mormon family from her church. They stayed by her side and prayed with her and help nurse her back to being healthy. I don't know if she would have recovered without them. To this day I think about their kindness and how they never said anything negative about the drunk driver that killed our little angel. As for me, my heart turned to stone, hate, revenge, torment, sadness, and all at the same time I was in so much pain and suffering. I was in such a bad place. My sister saved me. After some time had passed, I went to visit her and was going to stay a week with her. She seemed so different, so at peace. She talked about only positive things about her child. The good times. She would say, remember when Chrystal would come sit in your lap at the dinner table, and even though she had her own plate she wanted to share yours. Remember how she always wanted to help you do everything you were doing. Remember how she always wanted you to be the one to wash her hair. It was amazing and I couldn't understand how she did it. My heart was still stone. I had seen her crying in private at night, but the next day she was positive again. Then she lowered the boom on me. She knew I wasn't moving on too well, that I was suffering. She had been through more than I had, she was her mother. So, she sat me down and told me that I was letting hate, revenge and all the negative things control me. She told me that I needed to pray. (I had prayed and prayed but not in the right way) She told me, that I had to pray and ask for the ability to forgive the man that was drunk, and ran the stop sign and killed our little angel. Wow! That was so out of the question I thought at first. But, she lead me in prayer and I was serious and it was like a million pounds was lifted off my shoulders. If someone else had told me to do that, I wouldn't have believed them. We cried for hours. Then we both started only thinking of all the good precious memories. I realized what an amazing strong caring women my sister was. I hadn't known this before. My point of sharing this is, TA's family at some point will have to do this to move on with their lives. Having a hard hateful heart will ruin your life. I hope their Mormon family will help them and they will seek counseling, if they have to. MOO, the DP isn't going to help them. I know that is what they want, but in truth that isn't going to help them heal. I believe it will be worse because that will always be in their minds of if and when it would be carried out. It's just more negativity. I know they believe JA deserves it. I hope someday they will find peace otherwise JA will have taken more of their lives too. JMOO.


I'm truly glad you were able to come to terms with an unimaginable tragedy and to find peace. As for the Alexanders. They haven't yet , 7 years later, even had an opportunity to begin grieving in peace.

They've had to spend those years defending Travis' reputation from ever dirtier and very public assaults by his killer. They've had to endure seeing the killer in court and in chambers for years, and to hear about her constantly from the attorney who is trying to put her away for good. They've had to risk jobs and marriages to keep pursuing justice. They've had no break and no peace.

Judging their hearts or what's best for them just isn't right, IMO, even though it's obvious you mean them well.
 
  • #153
I'm truly glad you were able to come to terms with an unimaginable tragedy and to find peace. As for the Alexanders. They haven't yet , 7 years later, even had an opportunity to begin grieving in peace.

They've had to spend those years defending Travis' reputation from ever dirtier and very public assaults by his killer. They've had to endure seeing the killer in court and in chambers for years, and to hear about her constantly from the attorney who is trying to put her away for good. They've had to risk jobs and marriages to keep pursuing justice. They've had no break and no peace.

Judging their hearts or what's best for them just isn't right, IMO, even though it's obvious you mean them well.
Everyone for sure has opinions...opinions are just that. Every situation and person is different though, and we cannot presume to assume anything about anyone in any situation. No one can say that JA getting the DP will or will not help them heal somewhat. We are not them, going through their pain. Let them have their wishes. Its their grief, no one else's. Let them choose when and how to heal. They are allowed whatever feelings they feel. These are uncommon extraordinary circumstances they are dealing with. There is no wrong way to deal, cope, heal.
 
  • #154
JMO
For me personally, I think some pics were added by Jodi manually to Travis camera (somehow copied), PLUS she obviously took some real ones too. The shower photos, the foot in hallway photo, etc.

So to me BOTH happened. I am not convinced they had sex on that particular day. I think some of the photos she copied make it appear that way.

The 2 that were mentioned a little bit ago I agree could have just been Jodi taking pictures of travis while he slept and he caught her in the last photo where he appears to throw the KY. But that doesnt mean to me that they had sex that day.

For example, what if she had snuck in just then and was surprising him and she may have thrown the KY at him and asked if she could jump in the sack. He may have just woke up and threw it back at her, and not being pleased she was even there.

It doesnt really matter much to me if they did have sex that day. Its just I am not convinced they did yet. Because I do think she copied some of the sexual photos onto his camera somehow.

The main reaons i think that is some of them just look "funny" and not quite right. They look to me to have been taken on a different day and different time. Especially the Goldilocks one...LOL

Anyway, none of it matters a whole lot now. I just wish we could someday know the truth about everything and I doubt we will ever get that.

Jodi is like the boy who cried wolf. Someday if she ever tells us the real truth, i wont believe her. LOL

I've been thinking about these and I think the key here is that the nudes were all from unallocated spaces, whereas the shower pics had been newly deleted.

Were there any other pics found in unallocated spaces.. I sure didn't hear any testimony to that effect.

That tells me that the nudes were old deleted pics that had likely been copied over by some of those 90? intact pics that some posters keep referring to so yes, I think the memory stick was an "old" one that had previously had the nudes on, those had been deleted at some point before the 90? pics had been taken, then the shower pics were taken and deleted. The only way I will believe otherwise is if we ever see the exif data report that shows that they had been taken just before the shower pics, which imo will never happen. I agree that it's too late to matter, except for those of us who refuse to believe that TA would have had "relations" with her on that last day, if he had even known she was there until just before she attacked him, and would like to have his character exonerated.

My suspicions are directly related to the testimony regarding the pics. The video of the testimony is below, if you would like to see if you can catch anything that contradicts what I've either transcribed, noted below or speculated about.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJ9A39cWyQ&app=desktop

Nothing on internal camera memory, all pics from memory stick.

12:25
JM - With regard to the items that were deleted were there some that involved Mr. Alexander in the shower?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - Were there also some nudes that appeared people were involved in some sort of sexual activity?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - Was it a man and a woman?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - And then there were also three others that were at the end, right?
Det.M - Yes.
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Ex.#164-169. From Unallocated space, different from deleted.
Blurry pics are from thumbnails.


To me, this raises a huge red flag, this could have been the result of either misreading a date and reporting it in error(ie. 06/04/08 instead of 04/06/08, that's if indeed the exif data had actually shown a date, there was nothing that stated that the date even showed up with what little exif data was available for the pics that came with the unallocated clusters, just that they took the reported date, that had been created from the Encase report which would have pulled the last date recorded as from the deleted shower pics, which did still have the full exif data still available and the date actually recorded on them from the camera).

Dates and times created from Encase report:
164 - female full body/laying flat nude 1:42:53pm unallocated clusters

165 - female crotch/face down/butt up 1:44pm 6/4/08 unallocated clusters
-looks like there might be daylight coming through the window by the exercise machine

166 - male full nude/sleeping? bottle of personal lubricant(looks like vaseline lotion to me) large light blue bottle/blue top 1:44:50pm unallocated clusters
-can see light coming through the window by the exercise machine.

167 - male full nude/hand up blurry -large blue top/lightblue tv in background 1:47:15 unallocated clusters
-room looks quite bright with daylight

Can't tell what order these last two are compared to the others.
168 - female full body/laying propped up -blurry - small white bottle unallocated clusters no date/time
-room looks quite bright with daylight

169 - female crotch/back down unallocated clusters no date/time
-can't tell room brightness/close shot, looks like flash used
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Deleted images:
Dates and times put there by the camera itself.

Ex.#141-160 Shower pics. 06/04/08.
5:22pm - 5:30:30pm(face pic)

3 Inadvertent pics:
Ex.#161 - 5:31:14pm Ceiling
Ex.#162 - 5:32:16pm Dragged/Pantleg/foot on tile floor.
Ex.#163 - 5:33:32pm Dragged over floor baseboard?
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  • #155
The pics are from June 4, 2008 per sworn testimony

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xga8Q-8viY

At 13:00 images recovered from unallocated discussion begins...

the time DELETED is not there typically you may not recover the date and time

"But in this case these images, when you take them with this camera, it embeds the date and time the camera has set on it to the file itself"


image.jpg

Competition bbq
 
  • #156
I am not sure who has a yellow truck. But over in Jodi land, they still try and sell the fantasy narrative that Deanna slashed his tires, sent the sick warning notes, AND was one of the ninjas/ LOL To this day, some hold to that version, and say Jodi only confessed because she was in a fog, and was coerced into believing she did this. :eyeroll:

[ brought it over from closed thread...]

What colour are the tow trucks in AZ? Didn't she claim to have run out of gas in the desert... when she cleaned her car out, washed the blood off, had some water and snacks... just another story imo like the one where she talked about some guy who had either driven her back to some place to eat that was 15? miles behind them, or had offered to.:/
 
  • #157
I remember being shocked to learn about Casey Anthony's mitigation specialist, Rosalie Bolin, who left her Tampa attorney husband and family for a murderer she met and married. Anyone remember that?

Specialist married to death-row inmate joins Casey Anthony's defense
Rosalie Bolin is well-known in Tampa area.
May 12, 2011
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._casey-anthony-todd-macaluso-death-row-inmate
2005 article with some details http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/04/Hillsborough/Wife_stands_by_Bolin_.shtml


:seeya: OMG yes ... glad you brought that up because I forgot about it.

:thinking: I guess it comes with the territory of being a mit specialist ...
 
  • #158
I've been thinking about these and I think the key here is that the nudes were all from unallocated spaces, whereas the shower pics had been newly deleted.

Were there any other pics found in unallocated spaces.. I sure didn't hear any testimony to that effect.

That tells me that the nudes were old deleted pics that had likely been copied over by some of those 90? intact pics that some posters keep referring to so yes, I think the memory stick was an "old" one that had previously had the nudes on, those had been deleted at some point before the 90? pics had been taken, then the shower pics were taken and deleted. The only way I will believe otherwise is if we ever see the exif data report that shows that they had been taken just before the shower pics, which imo will never happen. I agree that it's too late to matter, except for those of us who refuse to believe that TA would have had "relations" with her on that last day, if he had even known she was there until just before she attacked him, and would like to have his character exonerated.

My suspicions are directly related to the testimony regarding the pics. The video of the testimony is below, if you would like to see if you can catch anything that contradicts what I've either transcribed, noted below or speculated about.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJ9A39cWyQ&app=desktop

Nothing on internal camera memory, all pics from memory stick.

12:25
JM - With regard to the items that were deleted were there some that involved Mr. Alexander in the shower?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - Were there also some nudes that appeared people were involved in some sort of sexual activity?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - Was it a man and a woman?
Det.M - Yes.
JM - And then there were also three others that were at the end, right?
Det.M - Yes.
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Ex.#164-169. From Unallocated space, different from deleted.
Blurry pics are from thumbnails.


To me, this raises a huge red flag, this could have been the result of either misreading a date and reporting it in error(ie. 06/04/08 instead of 04/06/08, that's if indeed the exif data had actually shown a date, there was nothing that stated that the date even showed up with what little exif data was available for the pics that came with the unallocated clusters, just that they took the reported date, that had been created from the Encase report which would have pulled the last date recorded as from the deleted shower pics, which did still have the full exif data still available and the date actually recorded on them from the camera).

Dates and times created from Encase report:
164 - female full body/laying flat nude 1:42:53pm unallocated clusters

165 - female crotch/face down/butt up 1:44pm 6/4/08 unallocated clusters
-looks like there might be daylight coming through the window by the exercise machine

166 - male full nude/sleeping? bottle of personal lubricant(looks like vaseline lotion to me) large light blue bottle/blue top 1:44:50pm unallocated clusters
-can see light coming through the window by the exercise machine.

167 - male full nude/hand up blurry -large blue top/lightblue tv in background 1:47:15 unallocated clusters
-room looks quite bright with daylight

Can't tell what order these last two are compared to the others.
168 - female full body/laying propped up -blurry - small white bottle unallocated clusters no date/time
-room looks quite bright with daylight

169 - female crotch/back down unallocated clusters no date/time
-can't tell room brightness/close shot, looks like flash used
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Deleted images:
Dates and times put there by the camera itself.

Ex.#141-160 Shower pics. 06/04/08.
5:22pm - 5:30:30pm(face pic)

3 Inadvertent pics:
Ex.#161 - 5:31:14pm Ceiling
Ex.#162 - 5:32:16pm Dragged/Pantleg/foot on tile floor.
Ex.#163 - 5:33:32pm Dragged over floor baseboard?
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Thank you Val, that's been one of my main points all along, the nude thumbnails were in unallocated space, meaning they had been deleted before any other pictures were saved to that memory card (just what were the dates of the 90 pics between the nudes and the shower pics?), making her story (oh what a shock) a lie and the nudes almost surely taken on another, previous date.
 
  • #159
What colour are the tow trucks in AZ? Didn't she claim to have run out of gas in the desert... when she cleaned her car out, washed the blood off, had some water and snacks... just another story imo like the one where she talked about some guy who had either driven her back to some place to eat that was 15? miles behind them, or had offered to.:/

I think she said she was 15 miles outside Winniemucca when she ran out of gas, JM used that to ascertain how much gas her tank held as it would have been nearly empty before the next fill. He's so smart. lol But, she had filled all the cans in SLC so she had plenty of gas to put in the trunk before she hit Winniemucca so, well, another lie to cover up having any extra gas.
 
  • #160
tried to stay away until monday but here i am.

been watching the interview angela simpson done after her conviction again. i guess i can hope if Jodi gets LWOP angela will be her cellmate.

comes across that angela wouldn't take too kindly to jodis me me me attitude...
 
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