Victim: Amber Lynn Costello, 27, missing Sept 2010, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *Rex Heuermann charged*

[OnTheCase27]

Who is HF?

Amber was using DS phone according to him. Some are quick to say that SG was out of her mind on drugs yet DS, a known drug user is supposed to be credible? So he says she left it behind is supposed to mean she didn't have a phone that he may not have known she had? Lot of theories that don't add up in my opinion.

DS' comments were echoed by Kim and I'm pretty certain LE was able to confirm this.

 

[Puggle]

BBM

Where does this info come from, Puggle? Can you provide us with a link?

Sorry Mountain_Kat no link it was me typing out thoughts hence the first sentence "In my opinion". I probably should have written "in my opinion a theory" a bla bla and then continued.

 

[Puggle]

The unsubstantiated stories that keep popping up about parties & these girls being told to not bring cell phones & ID's I think implies that these girls were stupid. All things point to the contrary. Working girls as a rule are always on their guard knowing they are in a risky business. If a client made a request such as this, I imagine that would have raised a red flag & none of the girls would have obliged the request. SG's ID & phone were found in the vicinity of where she went missing. She used her phone to make calls on that fateful night.

IMO the girls may have encountered this person more times than once, gained trust, felt secure with a charming guy who they may have felt was trustworthy but not enough to leave phones & ID's at home, the only thing that assured them some modicum of safety. I prefer to give the girls much more credit than thinking they were not thinking.

LIsleuth as posted (sorry for the confusion) I should have strictly stated it as my opinion (theory). But I will disagree about these parties/and girls told not to bring personal items as being "Unsubstantiated" fact. If you dare to cross over to the darker side of hobbyist forums you will find evidence of this being truth rather than rumour.

 

[Puggle]

The threads that I have read indicate (john, Mongers, Hobbyists) whatever they want to call themselves. Are encouraged to book hotels nearby or retain their personal items securely locked in their vehicles and girls which by the majority of indications are booked/invited through agencies are advised the same. Now if you worked within the industry - even as an independent I have no doubt you would eventually here about these parties through other girls. These parties offer girls the opportunity to earn big $$$ - so I suppose I was offering up a theory of how someone could have taken advantage to have Amber and Megan leave behind their phones.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The unsubstantiated stories that keep popping up about parties & these girls being told to not bring cell phones & ID's I think implies that these girls were stupid. All things point to the contrary. Working girls as a rule are always on their guard knowing they are in a risky business. If a client made a request such as this, I imagine that would have raised a red flag & none of the girls would have obliged the request. SG's ID & phone were found in the vicinity of where she went missing. She used her phone to make calls on that fateful night.

IMO the girls may have encountered this person more times than once, gained trust, felt secure with a charming guy who they may have felt was trustworthy but not enough to leave phones & ID's at home, the only thing that assured them some modicum of safety. I prefer to give the girls much more credit than thinking they were not thinking.

Whatever the rationale, both Megan and Amber did leave their phones behind. The only real mistake LISK has made, imo, involved his first 2 victims cell phones, so I can't help but think he somehow convinced his last 2 known victims to leave their phones behind. How he managed that, though, is a complete mystery to me. Megan may have been naïve and a novice to the game, but Amber certainly wasn't. These women trusted this guy.

JMO

 

[Puggle]

Throughout all the interactions of these guys and there is a core group that do know each other on LI - whenever parties are discussed (and the girls also post) these parties are organised with such security to not have anyone know the exact details of where a party is at until the last moment. My rationale that this could be used as a lure to get a girl is A: If it's known within the industry that these parties do happen - then it wouldn't come as a surprise to Amber or Megan to be asked to attend one. B The girls my be disarmed as far as not taking their usual security measures - as it was accepted that usually you would secure your items at a shared hotel with other girls (agency group) But...being alone...they wouldn't use that option as it would be an expense incurred on them.

 

[giagreen]

Whatever the rationale, both Megan and Amber did leave their phones behind. The only real mistake LISK has made, imo, involved his first 2 victims cell phones, so I can't help but think he somehow convinced his last 2 known victims to leave their phones behind. How he managed that, though, is a complete mystery to me. Megan may have been naïve and a novice to the game, but Amber certainly wasn't. These women trusted this guy.

JMO

Or what if Megan just went out thinking she was letting the guy in?

 

[Aleph]

Puggle what happens at the parties?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Does anyone have an updated timeline for Amber? If so, could you please post it?

 

[Puggle]

Roommate of one of the victims might be able to finger the suspect.
04/22/2011 ​

video link

I can't see if this has been discussed...but I find it odd that in an ABC (not an amateur media organization) editorial piece that most surely would have been edited.

Why is there an image of a car wreak been placed in the video .....just after DS's comments that "Shannan wasn't stupid you know" 2.22 mark.

Am I crazy...was that put in there intentionally??

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Didn't Dave Schaller work at captree marina? How come nobody ever looked into who he might be connected to down there?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Amber left her purse in the house and supposedly she used Dave Schaller (her pimp in all reality)'s cellphone but he claimed she deleted the number before giving the phone back to him. This says two things to me. One, as Emre pointed out, you wouldnt leave your purse and makeup if you were goin on an overnight date like Dave Schaller claims, so I think this is a lie. She wasn;t going on an overnight. I personally believe she was going out to the car to meet a heroin dealer. Part of me things DS might have been payed off to lie for the small price of a couple bricks of heroin, his story just doesnt add up.
2. Or if DS is telling the truth, then Amber deleted the number because it was someone who Dave Schaller knew, and she didnt want him to know she was going to meet in the car. It just doesnt add up. She didnt bring her purse on an overnight date?! Come on! I think DS is full of ****!

 

[Emre E]

Amber left her purse in the house and supposedly she used Dave Schaller (her pimp in all reality)'s cellphone but he claimed she deleted the number before giving the phone back to him. This says two things to me. One, as Emre pointed out, you wouldnt leave your purse and makeup if you were goin on an overnight date like Dave Schaller claims, so I think this is a lie. She wasn;t going on an overnight. I personally believe she was going out to the car to meet a heroin dealer. Part of me things DS might have been payed off to lie for the small price of a couple bricks of heroin, his story just doesnt add up.
2. Or if DS is telling the truth, then Amber deleted the number because it was someone who Dave Schaller knew, and she didnt want him to know she was going to meet in the car. It just doesnt add up. She didnt bring her purse on an overnight date?! Come on! I think DS is full of ****!

Linzi you are fantastic when you think but I believe you just can't shake the Hannibal Lecter illusion pushed since the beginning of the case, an effort I believe an excuse for failures made/to be made in the entire case starting from Shannan Gilbert's disappearance.


Now, facts:
Sunday, 6th of June 2010, 01:30 AM
Megan walks out of the hotel to go to the concession store.
Here's the hotel; 40°48'27.63" - 73°13'16.54" and here's the concession store 40°48'29.65" - 73°13'3.37".

I can post you links to back these things up. I can also post you some news outlets defining the area to be seedy.

Now, go to google streetview, put yourself in Megan's shoes, walk the path she walked, see what she saw and get yourself vanished. You'll see exactly how it happened.

EDIT: And her image in the hotel security camera but not in the Mobil store (none as far as I know) tells she never made it to the store.

I've told it many times that Peter Brendt made an excellent work on examining her case. He's a great mind. Shortcoming with his theory is the perp being mainly racially driven, I believe I made a more plausible work with my analysis of the victimology.

Yesterday you come up with one of the most remarkable observations made on this case so far, connecting the dead men to the dead hookers. I was always avoiding to step into that realm (i.e. examining dead guys), thanks for opening my eyes.

Now, think what may have happened to Amber. Dave Schaller looks like a cool buddy but his eye witness testimony ends at a certain time. We don't know after that. She may have taken her purse and makeup as well, Schaller himself was not in his most sober patch and that leaves a big window of uncertainty about the time she was kidnapped.

Please keep trying to connect things, because I find great insight in you. Big question, what the heck is summertime? Is it possible that this guy goes in and out of jail or something? I wouldn't say rehab because the work is too neat for an addict.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Ok well it's it a straight walk from the hotel along LIE service rd Express DRive South (Road Colleen was dumped on) to the Mobil station at the corner. However I walked from the back of the hotel out from the parking lot along central ave. First you see a big vacant lot, then pass an ABCO. You pass a couple businesses, like a cafe until you eventually get to the Corner of Wheeler and Express drive South where the Mobile Station is. So did Megan walk out the front of the hotel along the LIE Service Road where this is no sidewalk? Or the more roundabout but more walkable path down Central?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

The only thing that stuck out to me was ABCO, it's a refrigeration supply corporation right next to the hotel. I assume it's trucks with refrigerators built into the back.

 

[Emre E]

The only thing that stuck out to me was ABCO, it's a refrigeration supply corporation right next to the hotel. I assume it's trucks with refrigerators built into the back.

I wouldn't think she'd step on private property. I assume she was staying there for a few days and she made that trip several times. (I mean on the road, it's like 280 meters~yards) I have all the reasons to believe that something happened on that road.

I believe there's no mysterious John. It's someone hanging out in that area, that hotel. Somebody / some people with a pimp friend . Simplest cut.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Ok so you think she walked along central then? She walks right past abco first without going on private property then. That street central is one block long with nothing except empty lots and ABCO and a few more office buildings. So what is so special about that road central? and what is so special about that hotel to the SK? Is it the hotel itself or the street it's on? Why did the SK also want Amber to go there? What is it about that hotel that SK wants his victims at that specific location? It's something that gives him an advantage....

 

[Emre E]

Ok so you think she walked along central then? She walks right past abco first without going on private property then. That street central is one block long with nothing except empty lots and ABCO and a few more office buildings. So what is so special about that road central? and what is so special about that hotel to the SK? Is it the hotel itself or the street it's on? Why did the SK also want Amber to go there? What is it about that hotel that SK wants his victims at that specific location? It's something that gives him an advantage....

The hotel is obviously OK with lodging working girls. I'm surprised a H.Inn does that. I bet there's not a single escort in the area who hadn't used that place. So, Amber using that hotel, not a striking thing in itself. But in terms of the perp's hunting ground it may have more to tell. What I'm saying is Amber's stay being coincidence is plausible. Two Johns and two dead hookers now that's interesting. And RIP, I mean no disrespect but a dead man in nothing but Gap Boxers, what's more John than that?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The hotel is obviously OK with lodging working girls. I'm surprised a H.Inn does that. I bet there's not a single escort in the area who hadn't used that place. So, Amber using that hotel, not a striking thing in itself. But in terms of the perp's hunting ground it may have more to tell. What I'm telling is Amber's stay being coincidence is plausible. Two John's and two dead hookers now that's telling. And RIP, I mean no disrespect but a dead man in nothing but Gap Boxers, what's so John than that.

Do we know that Amber ever actually stayed there? The only info I have is that a john wanted to meet her there and she declined. Did I miss something?

 

[Emre E]

Do we know that Amber ever actually stayed there? The only info I have is that a john wanted to meet her there and she refused. Did I miss something?

Yeah, that being the point. She stayed nothing unusual to me, she refused to go there.... similarly not striking in itself. I was surmising a John-ish perp, who called Megan down, and I was creating a really weird scenario to make her leave her phone behind. In hindsight I see that was a stretch. I believe she plugged her cell to the charger and went out to get a few snacks and cigarettes perhaps.