Victim: Amber Lynn Costello, 27, missing Sept 2010, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *Rex Heuermann charged*

[PickleChris]

Amber could've just had a passkey on her phone.

 

[Just K]

Nagging feeling: Either DS or KO has met this guy and would've recognized him or his voice. Amber was also the only drug addict. If the others did drugs it seems to have like it would have been merely recreational.

 

[deedee21]

Nagging feeling: Either DS or KO has met this guy and would've recognized him or his voice. Amber was also the only drug addict. If the others did drugs it seems to have like it would have been merely recreational.

Are the boats used for fishing day trips from Captree docked there at night? DS worked on the boats. He probably knows these guys. The location is not far Robert Mosses.

 

[giagreen]

I was doing some research on Maureen's case this morning, when something suddenly occurred to me. Amber is the only one of the GB4 where cell phone games weren't part of the equation. Maureen's cell phone was kept, and an attempt to access her voicemail , months after her disappearance, was tracked to Long Island. Melissa's phone was kept and used to torture her little sister, and to (allegedly) taunt her
"boyfriend", Johnny Terry. Megan's mother, Lorraine, recieved a strange call at work from someone claiming to be LE, asking about Megan's case. And, if you are of the belief that Shannan was a victim of LISK as well, phone games are certainly evident in her case as well. So...why not Amber? What makes HER different? Here are a few of the thoughts and questions I had, and bear in mind, it's early and my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

1. We know that LISK had called Amber several times the day she went missing, and we know that he called her on at least one other occasion asking her to meet him at The Holiday Inn in Hauppauge (at least, this is what DS tells us)...so he HAD a contact number he could have used to play phone games, yet he didn't. How come?

2. Did he not call DS or KO because he knew they would recognize his voice?

3. Did he not call DS or KO because, unlike his other victims, he hadn't courted Amber long enough to have learned enough personal info to "creep out" a friend or family member with his knowledge of her?

4. Of all 4 victims, only Amber lived in Long Island. Maureen was from CT, Megan was from Maine, and Melissa lived in NYC, but she was originally from Buffalo, NY, which is where I believe her sister was living when the phone games were occurring. Perhaps LISK wasn't comfortable calling the phone of the one victim who lived in LI. If so, was this because he himself lives in LI ?

5. Did he not play phone games in Amber's case because he was unable to do so for some reason? Was he incarcerated, in rehab , ill (which makes me think of Magic Fingers from UG for some reason), attending to a family matter, out on a boat working, etc.etc. which made it impossible for him to call?

6. Was there something about Megan's case that struck too close to home and freaked him out about playing phone games? Or, if you throw Shannan into the mix, did her disappearance bring LE too close to his door for those kinds of games to be safely played? The problem with the theory that Shannan's murder caused the phone games to stop at Amber, in my mind anyway, is that Amber was murdered AFTER Shannan disappeared. In Shannan's case we have witnesses, a 911 call, a call to Mari with a name attached, a home that can be searched, a driver who can be questioned, and so on and so forth. It seems alittle absurd to me to think that LISK would bring Amber's body back to his dump site IF he were aware of everything that had gone on with Shannan (which is part of the reason I question whether Shannan was a victim of LISK, but I digress).

It just seems very significant to me that Amber, the only victim actually living on LI, was the only victim where phone games weren't part of the equation.

ETA: One a whim, I decided to check into the month of Sept. in terms of fishing. Found this:
http://www.discoverlongisland.com/things/beaches_ocean_fun/fishing/

The big fall run starting in September is when Long Island locals and dedicated fishermen know there are rewards to be had as the fish bulk up before they migrate for the winter.

Perhaps LISK was too busy to play phone games after he killed Amber. :dunno:

I've seen this discussed before. And have been pondering this for a few years now.
Something that has never sat well with me is that Amber was never reported missing. Yet in an interview Schaller had said something along the lines when LE came to his house he had thought to him self Oh they must of found Amber.
What does he mean by that? Just seemed a bit odd to me that he never reported her missing but yet was expecting her to be found. If he thought she was alive and was not reported missing then why would LE come to his house if they had "found her". If he thought she was dead then why didn't he him self report her missing and new they must of found her when they came to her house. Just seems to me that by saying Oh they must of found Amber he some how new she was dead.

 

[Aleph]

I've seen this discussed before. And have been pondering this for a few years now.
Something that has never sat well with me is that Amber was never reported missing. Yet in an interview Schaller had said something along the lines when LE came to his house he had thought to him self Oh they must of found Amber.
What does he mean by that? Just seemed a bit odd to me that he never reported her missing but yet was expecting her to be found. If he thought she was alive and was not reported missing then why would LE come to his house if they had "found her". If he thought she was dead then why didn't he him self report her missing and new they must of found her when they came to her house. Just seems to me that by saying Oh they must of found Amber he some how new she was dead.

Maybe he told her family and believed they reported it to the police. Or maybe it wasn't a completely logical thought.

 

[giagreen]

Maybe he told her family and believed they reported it to the police. Or maybe it wasn't a completely logical thought.

Fair enough...it could it be for a number of reasons. Or maybe because he new how she lived her life. And because of how she had been beaten up before that in his heart he new something bad had happen to her.

 

[giagreen]

-----bump-----

 

[deedee21]

David S. said Amber gave the caller instructions to the house. Where was the killer traveling from? What is he doing these days? Where is he?

 

[deedee21]

David S. said Amber gave the caller instructions to the house. Where was the killer traveling from? What is he doing these days? Where is he?

I am referring to DS when I asked where is he and what is he doing these days. The killer too since we are on the subject.

 

[LINative13]

Unless these boats have a fishing/cruising trip set up they won't leave the dock. That's like opening a business knowing you aren't getting customers...dumb. But these boats are privately owned so if an owner wants to go fishing, they will. It's their boat they can do what they want with them. Will a mate take one out ? Most likely not.

Lets not drag a bunch of hard pressed, hard working guys into the mud. None of these owners fit the "rich" white collar guy with a lot of time on their hands profile. Especially murdering people on on busy days for these guys. Fridays-Mondays are busiest days.

 

[deedee21]

Boats at captree. A friend of mine is intererested in bringing her son to captree to go fishing. The prices are not bad for four hours. Its nice being on the water. We might also head out to block island on a friends boat. I love it there.

 

[deedee21]

-Source

We don't talk much about the plot to kill ALC on longislanderotic.com any more but I think we really should. Seriously folks, who is this guy named Morrie and how did he know that ALC would soon disappear less than two months before she actually did?

Coincidence?

Or, not?

Was this investigated? A caller asked Amber to meet him at the same hotel MW was last seen. She said no. Is the caller the same person Morrie talked about? 3 weeks later she was offered 1500 dollars for the nite. The caller was not going to take no for an answer twice. He should explain himself to the feds.

 

[deedee21]

What comments has Morrie made on that site after Amber was found dead? Whos his friend?

 

[deedee21]

What kind of cameras are used at the Robert Mosses Causeway? Alot of cameras store what was taped before it starts taping again. Like a hard drive.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Bumping for Amber.

 

[CriminalMinds]

Bumping for Amber.

if a sleuther doesn't believe MBB to be the key to the GB4, then it is likely(?) that they would believe GB4 is tied to AC4, which would mean likely they would believe both victim 4's are the links, which may then likely lead to them to believe its highly likely only one of 2 guys(although both already looked at) could be responsible....?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

if a sleuther doesn't believe MBB to be the key to the GB4, then it is likely(?) that they would believe GB4 is tied to AC4, which would mean likely they would believe both victim 4's are the links, which may then likely lead to them to believe its highly likely only one of 2 guys(although both already looked at) could be responsible....?

Not sure I'm following you, CM. Can you elaborate?

For what it's worth, I think Maureen is the key to the GB4. But I don't neccesarily think she was the first victim. Who was his first victim? I have no earthly clue. But I do think the AC4 case is very similar to the GB4 case. LE apparently doesn't think so, and that's fine, but the similarities are just too obvious for me to ignore. What I can't reconcile between these 2 cases is my "profile" of the killer for each of the 2 cases. I could certainly be way off base here, but in my mind, ACSK wasn't organized and he wasn't a taunter. I also don't think he had the ability (means, money, charm, whatever) to inspire trust in the AC victims. If he did possess those qualities, he certainly didn't need them. The AC4 were easy targets. ACSK didn't need (or have the desire, imo) to court his victims. LISK is a different beast entirely. He was in control for a long time, with each victim, I think. That was part of the game for him. And he was in control for a long time after he killed them, imo. He put those women in his trophy case and watched...getting off on the knowledge that he knew they were there when no-one else did. Totally different mentality from ACSK, I think.

On the other hand...sk's do evolve and change, so who knows? And, of course, I could be completely off-base in every single think I "think" I know.

(Clear as mud, eh?)

 

[Aleph]

if a sleuther doesn't believe MBB to be the key to the GB4, then it is likely(?) that they would believe GB4 is tied to AC4, which would mean likely they would believe both victim 4's are the links, which may then likely lead to them to believe its highly likely only one of 2 guys(although both already looked at) could be responsible....?

It is also possible that Jessica Taylor was the first victim and, therefore, "the key." (Assuming that that her case is indeed related to the GB4.) Jessica's killer went to elaborate lengths to disguise her identity, despite the fact that she was a relatively anonymous drug-addicted sex worker who had much looser family ties than the GB4 victims. So he may have known her.

 

[fred&edna]

Just an idea:

Would anyone here have the time, knowledge and desire to create a chart (or something similar) that would display/list any and all known connections the victims had in common? ANY possible connections... hometowns, working towns (streets and areas), businesses, pimps, friends, drivers, ads (such as all who advertised on CL, had Model Mayhem pages, used BPage), etc. While there isn't a great deal of info connecting the victims, I still think it would be very helpful to have it all in one place as maybe it would help us visualize/realize some additional degrees of separation/connection.

I'd attempt creating something like this myself but my RL is just too hectic right now.

 

[LINative13]

Just an idea:

Would anyone here have the time, knowledge and desire to create a chart (or something similar) that would display/list any and all known connections the victims had in common? ANY possible connections... hometowns, working towns (streets and areas), businesses, pimps, friends, drivers, ads (such as all who advertised on CL, had Model Mayhem pages, used BPage), etc. While there isn't a great deal of info connecting the victims, I still think it would be very helpful to have it all in one place as maybe it would help us visualize/realize some additional degrees of separation/connection.

I'd attempt creating something like this myself but my RL is just too hectic right now.

I'm very good with Microsoft excel and would be willing to do it. How I would upload it here beats the hell out of me.

Tell me the exact information you want and I will do it. I can't give you a deadline cause I'm super busy with the quarter end coming up.