GUILTY VT - Melissa Jenkins, 33, St Johnsbury, 25 March 2012

  • #761
Hi. I'm brand new to this site and late to this discussion. I live not far from where this crime took place. I did not know the victim but identify with her on many levels. The viciousness of this attack has rocked our community, and it both chills me to the bone and breaks my heart.

Anyway, I've read through this entire thread and I want to bring up two possibilities that struck me along the way. My gut feeling the more I think about this case-- and knowing that locally one of the suspects is said to barely have two brain cells to rub together-- is leaning toward some kind of third part involvement. This may not be direct involvement (police have certainly not hinted at the possibility of another suspect out there)-- maybe it was from afar, over the internet. But I feel someone was egging this perp on and giving him tips on what to do. My reason for thinking this is partly because of all the flash drives he had (which I agree, may link him to other crimes as well).

Also, I can't entirely discount the possibility that Melissa was targeted partly for having a bi-racial son. It may have angered AP that she had been with a black guy but didn't want him. It's not like everyone in VT is enlightened and free of racist tendencies, especially if they're less educated. Plus again, with the internet it's possible to hook up with all kinds of discussions that have white supremacist leanings, adding further fuel to that fire. My reason for feeling there may have been some racism contributing to the motive is the apparent anger and viciousness of the attack-- strangulation and severe beating. I initially dismissed this possibility because they didn't touch Ty-- but now I wonder if they may have left him alone partly to point away from a hate crime (which would also qualify this as a federal crime). Don't get me wrong, I doubt the police would be able to gather enough evidence to charge this as a hate crime, and I doubt racism was the only motive, but it could have been a factor. Attacking her right in front of her child indicates no regard for him. Some locals claim this guy was so stupid and unaware he didn't even know Ty was there. But then I also heard Melissa yelled to her son to stay in his seat (although I'm not sure how anyone would know if she yelled to him unless the child somehow relayed that information). Anyway, maybe the anger was more directed at Melissa, again, for having been with a black guy but not wanting AP. I'm not sure if PP was an instigator or an equal participant, but I agree she had some major anger issues herself (and probably jealousy) to take part in this. Plus the look on her face in that first photo is chilling and even a little smug, I thought-- she looked like she had zero remorse and was just focused on denying everything.

Anyway, my feeling about someone else having a hand in this, even if not directly, is all just a gut feeling. I honestly think weve only heard the tip of the iceberg about this case, and I'm not really sure I want to know more. I hope Melissa is in a far better place now, but it saddens me to my core that her son had to see her dragged off never to return. As much as this case sickens and saddens me, I still feel the need to understand.

Welcome, Another VTer! I appreciate your insights.

I've wondered about a possible racist angle too. But race could be completely irrelevant. I think AP was fixated on Melissa. She had a child as a single woman and continued to turn down his advances, which may have infuriated him and he targeted her.

The part you mentioned about MJ yelling to her son is interesting. But you're right, how would anyone know that. I can easily see MJ saying before she got out of the car, "Stay in your seat. Mommy will be right back." A toddler could easily convey the jist of that to the police.

I think the Prues were not even aware the child was there. AP said MJ pulled her car over in front of his and got out. He attacked her near the back of her car. So a toddler in her backsear may have been able to see a 'boy' grabbing Mommy's neck without the Prues seeing him. I don't think the Prues would have left him there out of the kindness of their hearts. I think they would have killed him quickly, left his body at the 1st crime scene, and took off with their intended target.

Have you heard whether the Prues even knew Melissa had a child? AP plowed her driveway a couple of years ago (before the baby?). Did either of them or their relatives frequent the restaurant she worked at?

3rd-party involvement is a real possibility. And I agree with other posters that this may not be an isolated crime. I hope the hard drive and flash drives will provide the evidence to prove or disprove those possibilities.
 
  • #762
Hi. I'm brand new to this site and late to this discussion. I live not far from where this crime took place. I did not know the victim but identify with her on many levels. The viciousness of this attack has rocked our community, and it both chills me to the bone and breaks my heart.

Anyway, I've read through this entire thread and I want to bring up two possibilities that struck me along the way. My gut feeling the more I think about this case-- and knowing that locally one of the suspects is said to barely have two brain cells to rub together-- is leaning toward some kind of third part involvement. This may not be direct involvement (police have certainly not hinted at the possibility of another suspect out there)-- maybe it was from afar, over the internet. But I feel someone was egging this perp on and giving him tips on what to do. My reason for thinking this is partly because of all the flash drives he had (which I agree, may link him to other crimes as well).

Also, I can't entirely discount the possibility that Melissa was targeted partly for having a bi-racial son. It may have angered AP that she had been with a black guy but didn't want him. It's not like everyone in VT is enlightened and free of racist tendencies, especially if they're less educated. Plus again, with the internet it's possible to hook up with all kinds of discussions that have white supremacist leanings, adding further fuel to that fire. My reason for feeling there may have been some racism contributing to the motive is the apparent anger and viciousness of the attack-- strangulation and severe beating. I initially dismissed this possibility because they didn't touch Ty-- but now I wonder if they may have left him alone partly to point away from a hate crime (which would also qualify this as a federal crime). Don't get me wrong, I doubt the police would be able to gather enough evidence to charge this as a hate crime, and I doubt racism was the only motive, but it could have been a factor. Attacking her right in front of her child indicates no regard for him. Some locals claim this guy was so stupid and unaware he didn't even know Ty was there. But then I also heard Melissa yelled to her son to stay in his seat (although I'm not sure how anyone would know if she yelled to him unless the child somehow relayed that information). Anyway, maybe the anger was more directed at Melissa, again, for having been with a black guy but not wanting AP. I'm not sure if PP was an instigator or an equal participant, but I agree she had some major anger issues herself (and probably jealousy) to take part in this. Plus the look on her face in that first photo is chilling and even a little smug, I thought-- she looked like she had zero remorse and was just focused on denying everything.

Anyway, my feeling about someone else having a hand in this, even if not directly, is all just a gut feeling. I honestly think weve only heard the tip of the iceberg about this case, and I'm not really sure I want to know more. I hope Melissa is in a far better place now, but it saddens me to my core that her son had to see her dragged off never to return. As much as this case sickens and saddens me, I still feel the need to understand.

Welcome! And as a former Vermonter (born in the North East Kingdom, and raised in VT) I agree with your post that racism is a possiblity. The North East Kingdom can be very backwards thinking at times compared to the rest of the state. It is a very isolated section.

I have heard my older relatives refer to black people as "darkies". I also used to see and hear my grandmother after she observed a bi-racial couple with a child, walking on the street, and she would state how she felt bad for the baby. I was so embarassed for her, but in her case, and probably many up there, it was ignorance more than anything. (Even though she loved her Korean daughter-in-law, she still insisted she turned the sheets yellow!) My son-in-law is half black, half puerto rican, and I couldn't ask for a better person for my daughter, but to be honest, I am glad my grandmother passed before my daughter got married as I can only imagine what things she would say to me.

Being that that AP lacked education and lived in an isolated world, I can see where your theory of him being angry that she turned him down, but had a child with a black man. JMO

Edited to say: I hope I have not offended anyone, as what I wrote about my grandmother does not reflect on my feelings at all! I was brought up to believe that color was only skin deep and underneath, we are all the same. I'm glad my parents were progressive, considering where they were brought up, and did not fall into the racist category.
 
  • #763
Yeah, as I said the fact that she had a bi-racial son could be completely irrelevant or could have played a role in building AP's anger over her rejecting him. Anger was clearly a factor in this crime, but it seems strange the degree of anger toward someone he hadn't been around all that much, so that points to multiple motivations for me. I think it's very likely they knew she had a baby. (And it sounds like PP may have gone with him to plow at times, as MJ reportedly told her friend it was "the couple" who plowed her driveway.) Melissa's son is actually more like 2 1/2 so would probably have been an infant during the time he plowed for her. Plus if this guy had been fixated on her and stalking her, he could easily have found out she had a child even if he never encountered him when he went to plow for her. He also stopped by her house last fall to ask if she wanted him to plow again (I think her "thanks, but no thanks" at that time added to his anger). I think PP also could have been angry and jealous that MJ-- again, being all the things she wasn't-- had a bi-racial baby but didn't want the "prize" she had chosen for a husband. This is all speculation, obviously, but I think there was a blend of motivations contributing to the extreme anger for someone to plan (and let's not kid ourselves on that one) and carry out this kind of attack. But I also think, again, there could have also been a push from someone else.

I want to say, however, that most of the people in the NEK are good, decent people, and I don't see a lot of extreme bigotry in this part of the state either. But you can find bigots and undercurrents of racism anywhere you go, and that may or may not have played a role. Thank God this little boy is still alive, for whatever reason. It's likely he's now showing a reaction to the mommy who obviously loved him so much not being there anymore, and that he will be affected long-term by witnessing her being attacked and dragged off, even as young as he is. (It's called emotional memory, plus a scene like this could be so vivid as to leave an impact on a young child's mind.) That doesn't mean he can't go on to have a good life, especially if his caretakers work to give him the right kind of support. But it will be a life forever changed, no doubt. One thing he will not do is grow up thinking his mother didn't love him. (He will also probably know one day that at 2.5 he was instrumental in bringing charges against her attackers.) All the people who loved Melissa are going to make sure he knows how much she loved him. Plus the beautiful pictures we've all seen of the two of them together show that.
 
  • #764
One more quick note. I want to note that while I think AP and PP may have been susceptible to outside influence, I don't think they were incapable of knowing right from wrong. They had enough sense to choose a victim (with "help" or not) who was nice and would be likely to respond to a call for help from a woman. AP also at least had enough sense to back away from admitting premeditation. I hope that doesn't mean LE cut a deal with him in exchange for a confession. I don't think these two are so stupid that they shouldn't face justice.
 
  • #765
State Police divers were back in the water near the Comerford Dam in Barnet Tuesday looking for further evidence in the Melissa Jenkins murder case.

But despite the arrests, state police have actively continued their investigation into the case to include interviews, specialized forensic examinations of the Prue's digital devices and the continued examination of the Prue's car.

Investigators are also seeking the Prues' prison telephone records. According to documents unsealed in Caledonia Superior Court this week state police have subpoenaed all records of telephone calls made by the Prues since they were jailed on March 28 from the Vermont Department of Corrections.


more at link:

http://orleanscountyrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=7&SubSectionID=32&ArticleID=22627
 
  • #766
Also noticed this little bit in that article:

Henry said state police still welcome any and all input the public might have about Jenkins's murder.

"If the public has any information about this case case we'd appreciate hearing it," said Henry.
Code:

What do others think, could this be a hint LE has reason to suspect potential 3rd party involvement, or just a routine part of the investigation?

Oh, and I didn't understand the bit about lawyers requesting all evidence against PP, but then a reference to a family court case:

Also filing paperwork in the case this week were the lawyers representing Patricia Prue who formally asked that the state be compelled to turn over all evidence it has in the case within ten days. The four page Motion for Production of Discovery filed by attorneys Marc Eagle and Jessica C. Brown of the Lamoille County Public Defenders Office includes a highlighted section specifically requesting "any and all documents on file relating to Vermont Family Court matters."
 
  • #767
Welcome! And as a former Vermonter (born in the North East Kingdom, and raised in VT) I agree with your post that racism is a possiblity. The North East Kingdom can be very backwards thinking at times compared to the rest of the state. It is a very isolated section.

I have heard my older relatives refer to black people as "darkies". I also used to see and hear my grandmother after she observed a bi-racial couple with a child, walking on the street, and she would state how she felt bad for the baby. I was so embarassed for her, but in her case, and probably many up there, it was ignorance more than anything. (Even though she loved her Korean daughter-in-law, she still insisted she turned the sheets yellow!) My son-in-law is half black, half puerto rican, and I couldn't ask for a better person for my daughter, but to be honest, I am glad my grandmother passed before my daughter got married as I can only imagine what things she would say to me.

Being that that AP lacked education and lived in an isolated world, I can see where your theory of him being angry that she turned him down, but had a child with a black man. JMO

Edited to say: I hope I have not offended anyone, as what I wrote about my grandmother does not reflect on my feelings at all! I was brought up to believe that color was only skin deep and underneath, we are all the same. I'm glad my parents were progressive, considering where they were brought up, and did not fall into the racist category.


Yes I can attest to that. Been up in that neck of the woods a few times, very isolated and very beautiful. It could be a possibility about the racism and AP & PP must have known and seen her around. When ever I was up there it was mostly locals and not very many if any outsiders.
You just never know, honestly I would not have imagined this happening there. No place is safe anymore.
 
  • #768
Again, I have to respectfully disagree with the overall assessment that the NEK is as backwards as that. Yes, it is very rural, and there's a certain element of people who are backward and isolated, but I run into more people who aren't than who are. Besides the fact that there are a lot of people who were raised elsewhere but now live here, I know a lot of people who were raised here who are not bigots/rednecks.

But back to my last point (and sorry, I kind of mashed my question in with the quote): Does anyone else wonder if the police requested more information from the public because they suspect there could be someone else/others involved besides just the Prues?
 
  • #769
Again, I have to respectfully disagree with the overall assessment that the NEK is as backwards as that. Yes, it is very rural, and there's a certain element of people who are backward and isolated, but I run into more people who aren't than who are. Besides the fact that there are a lot of people who were raised elsewhere but now live here, I know a lot of people who were raised here who are not bigots/rednecks.

But back to my last point (and sorry, I kind of mashed my question in with the quote): Does anyone else wonder if the police requested more information from the public because they suspect there could be someone else/others involved besides just the Prues?

BBM: I'm assuming more victims based on the mom who came forward a week or 2 ago and said Allen harassed/tried to lure her daughter on FB.
 
  • #770
sniped from article...
Vermont murder suspects waive rights to court hearing

The couple accused of killing teacher Melissa Jenkins have waived a court hearing that would have reviewed their bail status.

Allen Prue told detectives he and his wife had an open relationship and that they set out that night to “get a girl,” according to police affidavits. They then killed Jenkins and disposed of her body, according to the affidavits.


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20120412/NEWS07/120411056/Vermont-murder-suspects-waive-rights-court-hearing?odyssey=mod|mostview
 
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  • #773
Here's another new one from today:

Patricia Prue Challenges DNA Order

http://orleanscountyrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=7&SubSectionID=32&ArticleID=22695

Is there any chance this woman will NOT be required to submit to a DNA sample?

sniped from article...
bbm

Allen Prue, who admitted strangling Jenkins to death and implicated his wife in the murder, is not subject to a DNA collection order.

Does this mean he does not have to submit DNA because he confessed? He confessed but he plead not guilty??:waitasec:
 
  • #774
Does this mean he does not have to submit DNA because he confessed? He confessed but he plead not guilty??


Ooh, I missed that. It sounds like it, although I would think to upgrade to aggravated murder (involving a sexual assault) they might need his DNA. I would hope it means they may already have his DNA, but I fear it could mean they did indeed cut a deal with him in exchange for a confession.

However, the fact that they are collecting condoms-- one would think for potential testing-- suggests maybe they already got a sample from him? Idk. I don't see how he would not be required to give a sample either.
 
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"not subject to dna collection order"

my thoughts on the above would be that he either
1) already gave it voluntarily thus no need for the order
2) they are specifically testing something for which they need her dna and not his


(if he confessed I am thinking he voluntarily gave samples?)
:moo:
 
  • #777
What a sad waste of a life.
 
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