WA WA - Bellingham, Georgia Pacific plant, WhtMal 20-40, 862UMWA, Continental Airlines ticket, Sep'87

[Diavola]

Bump, I cannot find him in NamUs, does he not have a page there?

 

[Laughing]

Bump, I cannot find him in NamUs, does he not have a page there?

@MadMcGoo is rather a NAMUS expert...imho.

 

[breachtones]

His Namus: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

This case still makes me a bit hopeless, I literally think it's nigh impossible to identify this guy unless someone on a missing persons database is brought up to LE and the dentals match.

 

[RobbyDel]

For anyone who is interested: I filed a public records request for documents related to this case. Some interesting things came back, including:

Photographs of the burnt airline ticket and/or baggage claim receipt Various reconstructions over the years Communications regarding rule-outs

 

[sasha17]

For anyone who is interested: I filed a public records request for documents related to this case. Some interesting things came back, including:

Photographs of the burnt airline ticket and/or baggage claim receipt Various reconstructions over the years Communications regarding rule-outs

Wow, thanks for doing this! 375 pages of information, that's a lot to read through.

 

[Crimestopper88888]

10-30-06 - The Bellingham Herald published a follow up article on the original story
from 1987 concerning the skeleton located at G.P. Included in the article were the
composite drawing done in 1987 and the second drawing completed in 2000. As result
of this newspaper article, I received a telephone message from ROBERT ELVIS BROWN
(C4) advising that he may have some information concerning the investigation.
I contacted ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) by phone. He advised that in 1987 he was
employed at Mt Baker Plywood mill. During one of his shifts, his foreman came
through the plant with two other males, who were not employees at the plant. ROBERT
ELVIS BROWN (C4) indicated that he assumed the two were friends of the foreman.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) said that he and one of the males talked about some of the
things that they were interested in and what they did when not working. ROBERT
ELVIS BROWN (C4) said that he mentioned to the male that he was a diver and it was
during the conversation that the male said that he and some friends would climb the
towers at G.P. for fun. The male told ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) that one of the
group worked at G.P. and this person would get them access to the plant after
hours. They would then climb the towers throughout the plant and he explained
they had developed a warning system among themselves it they thought they had
seen. He related that one would blow a whistle and the others would then meet
that
been
at a
pre-arrange location to avoid being caught inside the plant. ROBERT ELVIS BROWN
(C4) said that the male told him that the most recent addition to their group was a
guy who had previously lived in New York state and on their last outing, when one
of the group blew the whistle, this subject did not show up at the pre-arranged
meeting location.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) related that this conversation with the subject occurred
after the discovery of the skeleton and the information about the investigation in
the media. ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) did not know the subjects name, but indicated
that the foreman at the time was a man with the last name of Larsen.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) indicated that he contacted a friend at the police
department in 1987 with this information.
I contacted Mt. Baker Plywood and inquired about employees during the 1987 time
frame. I was told that the only person who would know employees from that time
frame was the Operations and Human Recourse Manager, Tim Shannon and he was off
until November 7th. I left a message on his voice male requesting contact.
A copy of the Bellingham Herald article was submitted to records to be scanned into
this case file.
KIRO TV also came to Bellingham and filmed a story for the evening news about the
investigation. They were also provided with copies of the two drawings and aired
both on the evening news broadcasts.
Investigation to continue.


I think. Page 73 of the public records.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

10-30-06 - The Bellingham Herald published a follow up article on the original story
from 1987 concerning the skeleton located at G.P. Included in the article were the
composite drawing done in 1987 and the second drawing completed in 2000. As result
of this newspaper article, I received a telephone message from ROBERT ELVIS BROWN
(C4) advising that he may have some information concerning the investigation.
I contacted ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) by phone. He advised that in 1987 he was
employed at Mt Baker Plywood mill. During one of his shifts, his foreman came
through the plant with two other males, who were not employees at the plant. ROBERT
ELVIS BROWN (C4) indicated that he assumed the two were friends of the foreman.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) said that he and one of the males talked about some of the
things that they were interested in and what they did when not working. ROBERT
ELVIS BROWN (C4) said that he mentioned to the male that he was a diver and it was
during the conversation that the male said that he and some friends would climb the
towers at G.P. for fun. The male told ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) that one of the
group worked at G.P. and this person would get them access to the plant after
hours. They would then climb the towers throughout the plant and he explained
they had developed a warning system among themselves it they thought they had
seen. He related that one would blow a whistle and the others would then meet
that
been
at a
pre-arrange location to avoid being caught inside the plant. ROBERT ELVIS BROWN
(C4) said that the male told him that the most recent addition to their group was a
guy who had previously lived in New York state and on their last outing, when one
of the group blew the whistle, this subject did not show up at the pre-arranged
meeting location.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) related that this conversation with the subject occurred
after the discovery of the skeleton and the information about the investigation in
the media. ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) did not know the subjects name, but indicated
that the foreman at the time was a man with the last name of Larsen.
ROBERT ELVIS BROWN (C4) indicated that he contacted a friend at the police
department in 1987 with this information.
I contacted Mt. Baker Plywood and inquired about employees during the 1987 time
frame. I was told that the only person who would know employees from that time
frame was the Operations and Human Recourse Manager, Tim Shannon and he was off
until November 7th. I left a message on his voice male requesting contact.
A copy of the Bellingham Herald article was submitted to records to be scanned into
this case file.
KIRO TV also came to Bellingham and filmed a story for the evening news about the
investigation. They were also provided with copies of the two drawings and aired
both on the evening news broadcasts.
Investigation to continue.


I think. Page 73 of the public records.

And on p. 75 it says "Possible motorcycle located at GP with Canadian plates"
Interesting, don't think this was ever mentioned before.

 

[HmmMysterious]

Bellingham John Doe was the subject of the latest Bedtime Stories video that covers his case. The illustrations in the video are a bit graphic.

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[sunflowermomma]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[RobbyDel]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Hmm. Here's a picture (with a motorcycle). The missing person report has sightings of him in Fairbanks, Alaska. If you're traveling from Alaska to Washington State, you'd of course usually travel through Bellingham.

I wonder if anyone has sent this in? The original missing person report for him is from way back in the 1990s, and it's currently assigned to Alaska State Troopers, not any law enforcement in Washington State. Curious!

 

[sunflowermomma]

I see the resemblance in these pictures in particular.

 

[Aurora90]

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I see the resemblance in these pictures in particular.

Agreed. Has thus been submitted?

 

[sunflowermomma]

Agreed. Has thus been submitted?

I have not, I'm not sure how

 

[sasha17]

I have not, I'm not sure how

Contact the case owners for the two cases.

For this UID: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
For Brien Vogt: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[sunflowermomma]

Contact the case owners for the two cases.

For this UID: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
For Brien Vogt: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Are they going to think I'm an annoying internet weirdo if I call it in? I feel like I'm meddling!

 

[RobbyDel]

Are they going to think I'm an annoying internet weirdo if I call it in? I feel like I'm meddling!

Send it in: contact information for Brien Vogt is actually the Alaska State Troopers Missing Person's Clearing House. The email address is: [email protected]

 

[sunflowermomma]

Send it in: contact information for Brien Vogt is actually the Alaska State Troopers Missing Person's Clearing House. The email address is: [email protected]

Thanks! Just emailed her.

 

[whorton]

The Doe Network: Case File 862UMWA

Reconstructions of Victim

• • The victim was discovered on September 20, 1987 in Bellingham County, Washington
  • Estimated Date of Death: January 8, 1987- September 15, 1987
  • Cause of Death: Hypothermia
  • Charred & Skeletal Remains''

Vital Statistics

• • estimated age: 27 - 37 years old
  • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'8"-5'9"; 130 - 155 lbs.
  • Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim had small feet, probably wearing a size 8 shoe.
  • Dentals: Available. Dental work, including silver and gold fillings and possibly a root canal. It was not indigent dental work, it was good quality care for the time frame.
  • Clothing: Charred remnants of denim pants and a denim jacket, a lightweight shirt, and rubber-soled shoes. The coat was found under the body, apparently to shield him from the heat. The shirt was draped or wrapped around one ankle, possibly to bind an injury. Police also found a burned remnant of a Continental Airlines ticket or baggage claim, but could not make out the numbers to trace the ticket.
  • DNA: The chimney heat destroyed DNA.

 

[whorton]

This particular type of misadventure really didn't become very popular within the US until about fifteen years later. Maybe he was just ahead of his time.
Man falls 40 feet down chimney while practicing Parkour
Urban exploration - Wikipedia

Now this is a good point. . in 1987 "Parkour" was not a thing, but people were still doing stupid stuff like this all the time. People tend to want to tempt fate, often with bad results. Who knows? The guy may have stepped out to get a better look down the chimney. . .maybe he had a few drinks, maybe he was high, maybe he was just "Being brave."

We will never know, but it seems lots more logical to me that he fell in of his own accord, no one dumped the body in, or forced him up stairs, ladders and other obsticles, just to dump a body into a boiler exhaust stack.

 

[madamx]

View attachment 567421

Hmm. Here's a picture (with a motorcycle). The missing person report has sightings of him in Fairbanks, Alaska. If you're traveling from Alaska to Washington State, you'd of course usually travel through Bellingham.

I wonder if anyone has sent this in? The original missing person report for him is from way back in the 1990s, and it's currently assigned to Alaska State Troopers, not any law enforcement in Washington State. Curious!

Wow I can se resemblance w this guy!