Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[Occam's Zebra]

While it's possible that being a few minutes late could cause her to leave at a later time, I assumed given her position that she was a salaried employee and not subject to the same constraints as an hourly employee. That issue aside I do think the wording of the text is worth some examination. For instance, why was it important for her to let her carpool friend know that she would potentially accompany her/him home at that point in time? It just seems like unnecessary information to text especially when she was already running late.

If she is a people pleaser type, she may have texted that to smooth the waters. Kind of a "sorry I'm holding you up; I will make it up to you by riding with you later." And maybe offering gas money or an apology on the ride home.

I'm not explaining it well, but I can understand why she might text that. And texting one extra sentence when she's already stopped is not going to hold her up very long. Especially if she's planning to get out of the car (or already is) to open doors and see if her badge fell down into a crack, is stuck under a seat, etc.

 

[Pseudonymph]

We've been assuming she was grabbed or assaulted near her car. This seems risky in broad daylight at rush hour, right? What if she went completely willingly? That opens up a world of possibilities.

 

[Bravo]

While it's possible that being a few minutes late could cause her to leave at a later time, I assumed given her position that she was a salaried employee and not subject to the same constraints as an hourly employee. That issue aside I do think the wording of the text is worth some examination. For instance, why was it important for her to let her carpool friend know that she would potentially accompany her/him home at that point in time? It just seems like unnecessary information to text especially when she was already running late.

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[Yvettea]

We've been assuming she was grabbed or assaulted near her car. This seems risky in broad daylight at rush hour, right? What if she went completely willingly? That opens up a world of possibilities.

That would explain why no one saw anything but there is the matter of the blood in the car. Of course she could have gone willingly in her car.

 

[Treelights]

For what any of this is worth, on the google map I do see what looks like a camera situated near the gutter pipe by the garage.
If Cheryl parked on the side of the house, would she have been on camera walking across the driveway?
It looks like they keep garbage cans in front of the garage, so maybe they don't keep vehicles parked inside? Maybe one or both vehicles parked in driveway?
Also, I can't tell if there is a camera on the side of the house.
Is it possible she left out of the back of the house and the car was seen on camera going south?
IMOO.

 

[kammiemc]

I don't think anything is too farfetched at this point! And people do kill others out of jealousy or to remove the person that is standing between them and the romance of their dreams--not that that usually is a good plan for them!!

The only thing that I think is unlikely is that she would have left her badge at home so that she could have an excuse to text her friend and say she wouldn't be carpooling. She could have still easily used that excuse even if she had her badge with her--save herself an unnecessary trip to the house.

But if she wasn't planning on going on that's another story.


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[Seatowner]

It takes me seconds to text a paragraph. I don't see it that big of a deal to send a bit of details. Maybe she wanted the friend to know to check in before she left work to see if she wanted a ride.

Traffic in that area is horrible. But that street is mostly empty at that hour. It fills later once library traffic also joins. I don't see it as far fetched she pulled over there to avoid getting in the freeway on ramp backup traffic.

I hope I explain it well, as I live in this area. I would do just that to avoid the traffic. And being so close to the police station I would deft pull over to text. Hefty ticket here.


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[Elainera]

We've been assuming she was grabbed or assaulted near her car. This seems risky in broad daylight at rush hour, right? What if she went completely willingly? That opens up a world of possibilities.

We have speculated about that too previously. I think it's a likely scenario too. A friend, neighbor, acquaintance, colleague offering a ride and she hopped in.

 

[Elainera]

I don't think anything is too farfetched at this point! And people fo kill others out of jealousy or to remove the person that is standing between them and the romance of their dreams--not that that usually is a good plan for that!!

The only thing that I think is unlikely is that she would have left her badge at home so that she could have an excuse to text her friend and say she wouldn't be carpooling. She could have still easily used that excuse even if she had her badge with her--save herself an unnecessary trip to the house.

But if she wasn't planning on going on that's another story.


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bbm

Yes I also thought that was a weak point in my theory

Well maybe it was coincidence that she left the badge at home.

 

[ANZAC]

Has anyone seen confirmation that the blood on the seat and the door is her blood? I've looked through the articles but not finding that confirmed.

Cuts on her fingers are self inflicted, according to autopsy:

http://q13fox.com/2016/02/17/autops...ide-other-causes-of-death-being-investigated/

 

[Beesknees]

I don't understand her trying to find the badge inside her car. If the badge was at home surely she knew she had forgot it at home and wouldn't need to look for it inside the car. And also, if I am correct that was not the car she used daily to go to the park.

I would assume that if Cheryl really had forgotten her badge at home, as far as she remembered it, she would pull to write the text message and after would go back home to retrieve the badge. She would neither stop(the motor) nor open the car's door.

I wonder if it was usual for Cheryl to forget the badge or if it happened that day and ONLY that day...

Is it that from where she texted to where she would meet her carpool is the same place? I mean, she would meet her friend's car inside the transit center and she texted them from outside the transit center in a street aside it. Is this correct?

The day Cheryl disappears she unusually forgets her badge home and she unusually uses a diferente car...

I go on with the same sad opinion - Cheryl didn't forget anything, Cheryl didn't text her friend, Cheryl didn't comit suicide, Cheryl wasn't killed by a stranger

 

[ANZAC]

Cheryl didn't comit suicide, Cheryl wasn't killed by a stranger

This is still most likely a suicide, especially now that the husband has been eliminated. The change in routine, and the text pretext was probably designed to cover up and buy her time to complete her plan. A serial killer or other predator would most likely not have done that.

I found a body with 10+ knife wounds to the torso. Anyone's first thought would have been that it was a homicide; but it turned out to be a suicide.

 

[Beesknees]

What was her job? I read if I'm not wrong 'systems analist'? What is it about? Thank you.


Cheryl could even have made all up and chosen that day to meet or to confront a person she thought could be having an affair with her husband or she herself could be in an affair (I don't beleieve any of these but they are not impossible).

 

[Miziree]

There are plenty cases where women have been kidnapped when people were around. Three that come to mind right off are:

Bonnie craig- kidnapped walking to bus stop on a busy street in the morning. She was raped, beaten, murdered and dumped in a popular hiking area in the water. The didn't find her killer for 17 years. It was random.

Jaycee duggard- kidnapped in front of several witnesses including her step dad on the way to her bus in the morning, with a stun gun. She was found after 18 years alive. Also random.

Samantha Koenig- kidnapped from coffee stand where she worked. She knew self defence, had two opportunities to press a silent alarm, did try to run but still was kidnapped,raped, murdered and dumped in a lake. She was taken in the dark but right across a road where there was many witnesses, including at the drive through right where he parked. Again random.

Those are not exactly how Cheryl went missing but just pointing out it is possible even with people around. If someone wants to kidnap another person sometimes there is nothing that will stop them, even witnesses. None of the above knew the victim before hand. Moo

 

[Miziree]

There's a surveillance system at the DeBoer house.
There's "another" surveillance system on Cheryl's way to the transit center.

So, 2 systems. One shows her; one shows her car.

This was like any other morning, except she forgot her badge, and someone took advantage of that. I can't believe there's a conspiracy, an elaborate suicide plan, a plot to collect her life insurance policy, or that she has secret data on how to cure cancer and was targeted by an underground cadre of murderers.

Between "around 7 am" and "7:02 am", she parked the car because she realized she'd forgotten her badge and needed to get in touch with her carpool friend. Whether "around 7 am" is 6:58 or 7:01, that surveillance camera is just around the corner from where her car was found. She parked there. She texted. Maybe she got out to open her car doors - I think she did. And someone (or more than one someone) took advantage of that.


OZ

My thoughts about how this happened are almost identical to yours. Moo

 

[kammiemc]

I don't understand her trying to find the badge inside her car. If the badge was at home surely she knew she had forgot it at home and wouldn't need to look for it inside the car. And also, if I am correct that was not the car she used daily to go to the park.

I would assume that if Cheryl really had forgotten her badge at home, as far as she remembered it, she would pull to write the text message and after would go back home to retrieve the badge. She would neither stop(the motor) nor open the car's door.

I wonder if it was usual for Cheryl to forget the badge or if it happened that day and ONLY that day...

Is it that from where she texted to where she would meet her carpool is the same place? I mean, she would meet her friend's car inside the transit center and she texted them from outside the transit center in a street aside it. Is this correct?

The day Cheryl disappears she unusually forgets her badge home and she unusually uses a diferente car...

I go on with the same sad opinion - Cheryl didn't forget anything, Cheryl didn't text her friend, Cheryl didn't comit suicide, Cheryl wasn't killed by a stranger

What do you think happened?

(Also, I am not the one who suggested she would be looking in her car for her badge, but I will say that I have found myself looking in the crevices between my seats for things that accidentally dropped down there--mostly my iPhone , but also the key card to my building!)


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[dianaprince]

This is still most likely a suicide, especially now that the husband has been eliminated. The change in routine, and the text pretext was probably designed to cover up and buy her time to complete her plan. A serial killer or other predator would most likely not have done that.

I found a body with 10+ knife wounds to the torso. Anyone's first thought would have been that it was a homicide; but it turned out to be a suicide.

It is certainly the direction law enforcement would have the public believe given the information they have released. I didn't think it was very probable but there is a lot of information we are not privy to so I am reevaluating my position. I also saw a comment written by someone with the user name Sea68 on the Seattle Times latest article saying he/she believed that it was a suicide based on her comments to her co-workers. When others asked Sea68 where he/she got this information the poster did not respond. Could be the poster was confused or could be the poster knew some co-workers.

 

[La Louve]

Perhaps someone that was interested in her husband? Or a totally different angle..... any chance she was meeting up with someone that she might have met online? She sent the text as a cover and things went terribly wrong after meeting up? Not likely, but possible. Right?

IMO this is the likeliest scenario.

 

[Beesknees]

There are plenty cases where women have been kidnapped when people were around. Three that come to mind right off are:

Bonnie craig- kidnapped walking to bus stop on a busy street in the morning. She was raped, beaten, murdered and dumped in a popular hiking area in the water. The didn't find her killer for 17 years. It was random.

Jaycee duggard- kidnapped in front of several witnesses including her step dad on the way to her bus in the morning, with a stun gun. She was found after 18 years alive. Also random.

Samantha Koenig- kidnapped from coffee stand where she worked. She knew self defence, had two opportunities to press a silent alarm, did try to run but still was kidnapped,raped, murdered and dumped in a lake. She was taken in the dark but right across a road where there was many witnesses, including at the drive through right where he parked. Again random.

Those are not exactly how Cheryl went missing but just pointing out it is possible even with people around. If someone wants to kidnap another person sometimes there is nothing that will stop them, even witnesses. None of the above knew the victim before hand. Moo

How horrific the cases you referred are!

 

[Occam's Zebra]

I think it is possible.

The thing is, we know she was headed West in her car just before 7 am towards the transit center. We also know that the car was later in the day found near the park/library. But what we do not know is if she went to that parking spot at 7 am or if went somewhere else. She might have met someone, or she might have run an errand she didn't want to talk about with her friend. Maybe she deliberately left her badge at home to have an excuse to not carpool that morning. She might have been elsewhere at just after 7 am when she texted and then was taken and her phone was disabled, in a location without much traffic or people around. That would mean that whoever did this to her knew that she often parked in the overflow street and brought her car there later. Means, they knew her reasonably well.

Too farfetched?

I thought we knew that she usually parked AT the transit center lot, not on nearby streets. Or maybe that was my assumption. I figured she met her friends at the lot to carpool. If she met them on that side street, there would be no need to text them to say she had to go home, 'cause they'd be right there.

Maybe she took the bus some days and did park on that street... but seems like you'd have to 'watch' someone for a long time to figure out that kind of pattern well enough to know where to park her car.

I think the car was there, and probably stayed there. Could be the perp drove it elsewhere with Cheryl, got rid of her body and then returned the car. But in that case there would be some fingerprints (or evidence of someone trying to erase fingerprints) in and on the car. We don't know if that's the case b/c LE is not saying anything, and probably won't until they have arrested someone.