Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[Dushi]

In Canada, crimestopper is a civilian, non profit organization.
They are responsible for raising funds and disbursing rewards

 

[Treelights]

the police are the ones who decide who receives the reward based on the best tip, so i disagree and do feel the police are affiliated with them.

http://www.crimestoppers.com/about/

"Our program now operates as an independent organization and is a private non-profit."

 

[Stripehaven]

If suicide was committed on a slope, after death the body could roll or wash downhill ending up in a creek where it could be carried to a culvert by the current.

True, but I am a local and familiar with this location. I think what you describe is highly unlikely in this case. IMO, of course.

 

[DatelineFan]

Nothing new here, but I just received the Google alert for this article. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa...W46VVM&usg=AFQjCNFIEAPr3_yUPlMqnm0ru_XHwvcR9g

From the link:

The medical examiner says it will be several more weeks until they receive the toxicology report*which will help them determine the cause and manner of death.

Detectives said they’re still investigating the case as a homicide, but that other causes of death are also being investigated.

 

[dianaprince]

the police are the ones who decide who receives the reward based on the best tip, so i disagree and do feel the police are affiliated with them.

Crimestoppers is not a government entity. While they work with the police they do not wish to be affiliated with the police because part of the idea is to give a tipster complete anonymity. If there is an arrest or felony criminal charges filed, an individual in law enforcement tells crimestoppers which tip was the most helpful.

 

[Elainera]

Wow, crime stoppers, which works in conjunction with police, is calling Cheryl Deboer's case a homicide. I don't believe they would be able to post on crime stoppers without police approval, seeing how police are the ones who approve rewards, and i dont imagine the police would be ok with them saying that if it wasn't true.
http://www.crimestoppers.com/homicide-cheryl-deboer-csops-220/

Well LE did they say are investigating it as a homicide, so I'm not really surprised crime stoppers would use that word as well.

 

[Treelights]

I can't get the link to copy but search Q13 Fox News on Facebook. They've posted an article saying it will be several more weeks until the tox results are in. In comments, residents are complaining their reports to LE about safety issues in the neighborhood are being ignored.


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https://www.facebook.com/q13foxnews/posts/10154660764534199

 

[Hdk]

Does anyone know how often people fail polygraph tests?

I have no idea- but after spending some time in MLT earlier this week I cannot for the life of me believe that not one single person saw anything unusual going on that morning.

In the 1st or 2nd thread someone said she was likely killed prior to that morning and a huge part of me is starting to wonder the accuracy of the polygraph test.

Her car was seen on camera, but nowhere do they ever say *she* was. It's very bizarre to me.




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[Miziree]

I wonder if they have had any work done recently to their house. Like a lawmowing service, trees trimmed, construction or repairs on the house, etc. I don't think that angle has been mentioned. (Other then utility trucks not being noticed )other services like above would not be noticed either.

My neighbors next door had a tree cut down awhile back. The next day the neighbors on the other side of them had a large shed broken in. The lock was cut. I don't know if it was the tree company that broke in but it sure was suspicious and good timing. They were there well after dark.

Moo

 

[dianaprince]

True, but I am a local and familiar with this location. I think what you describe is highly unlikely in this case. IMO, of course.

Could you be more specific? For instance, is the culvert opening too small or is there something else about the environment that makes that scenerio implausible? I would agree that it seems highly unlikely she crawled inside the culvert and killed herself but if she was for instance sitting near the waterway that fed into the culvert and took pills or something that impaired her motor function is it possible, however strange perhaps, that she could have fallen into the water and then eventually moved via the rushing water into the culvert?

 

[Treelights]

Does anyone know how often people fail polygraph tests?

I have no idea- but after spending some time in MLT earlier this week I cannot for the life of me believe that not one single person saw anything unusual going on that morning.

In the 1st or 2nd thread someone said she was likely killed prior to that morning and a huge part of me is starting to wonder the accuracy of the polygraph test.

Her car was seen on camera, but nowhere do they ever say *she* was. It's very bizarre to me.




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I bet Maury Povich or Jerry Springer would know!

I don't know the answer, but here is a good read from the American Psychological Association.

Bottom line to the article:

"For now, although the idea of a lie detector may be comforting, the most practical advice is to remain skeptical about any conclusion wrung from a polygraph."

http://www.apa.org/research/action/polygraph.aspx

 

[cs2012]

http://www.crimestoppers.com/about/

"Our program now operates as an independent organization and is a private non-profit."

http://www.crimestoppers.com/how-it-works/

all tips received are sent to police and they go from there. its just like reporting it to the police, except there are people in between so the messages may get further lost.

 

[cs2012]

Does anyone know how often people fail polygraph tests?

I have no idea- but after spending some time in MLT earlier this week I cannot for the life of me believe that not one single person saw anything unusual going on that morning.

In the 1st or 2nd thread someone said she was likely killed prior to that morning and a huge part of me is starting to wonder the accuracy of the polygraph test.

Her car was seen on camera, but nowhere do they ever say *she* was. It's very bizarre to me.




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in the family press conference, the officer said they received sightings and tips and such and are investigating them. just because they havent been divulged doesnt mean noone saw anything, they just cant substantiate them. were you in that area at 7am? more people are out and about later in the day. everytime i go on a residential road at 7am, there are not that many people outside. people are still inside waking up, being sleepy or in their commute. polygraph tests arent accurate but they didnt just use that to rule anyone out, they judge whether that person is cooperating, their alibi, etc, which checks out. websleuth treats all family as victim until police say otherwise so basically we have to follow that rule. often, cameras cant show who is on camera in a car, theyre grainy.

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo, if they are waiting for tox, I do not believe this is a homicide. Tox results are usually a last resort to try to determine cause of death. But jmo.

 

[Treelights]

Jmo, if they are waiting for tox, I do not believe this is a homicide. Tox results are usually a last resort to try to determine cause of death. But jmo.

Hi ya!

And as to how it was written in the article:

http://q13fox.com/2016/02/24/cheryl...st-results-before-determining-cause-of-death/

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"the toxicology report which will help them determine the cause and manner of death."

It sounds like there will be or could be some results in that test, if that test will help determine cause and manner of death.
IMOO.

 

[cs2012]

does anyone know if in other cases where a body is found after someone goes missing how long it takes them to publicly state a cause of death? like what about the Hannah Graham case? i dont believe toxicology results are a last resort, i think it is common to wait for those. my friend died with a needle in her arm and had prior heroin use history so it was an obvious overdose, but they waited until they received toxicology results to determine that. sometimes even when things are obvious, they want to wait to receive toxicology results just to be sure i mean how bad would it look if they said this or that then had to say oh we were wrong? and that would be devastating to the family.

 

[Vail]

does anyone know if in other cases where a body is found after someone goes missing how long it takes them to publicly state a cause of death? like what about the Hannah Graham case? i dont believe toxicology results are a last resort, i think it is common to wait for those. my friend died with a needle in her arm and had prior heroin use history so it was an obvious overdose, but they waited until they received toxicology results to determine that. sometimes even when things are obvious, they want to wait to receive toxicology results just to be sure i mean how bad would it look if they said this or that then had to say oh we were wrong? and that would be devastating to the family.

Had she been shot, stabbed, bludgeoned or killed with homicidal violence, it would be evident and they wouldn't need tox to determine MOD especially. If she was asphyxiated, drugged or gently strangled to death, they would need tox results before they could be sure. The last case I can think of like this is AJ Hadsell, where tox results determined her COD was heroin poisoning, but they have not been able to determine MOD due to factors in how her body was found. I think we will see that here, even if tox comes back as a lethal amount of oxy and alcohol, for example. The circumstances are just too suspicious.

 

[cs2012]

Had she been shot, stabbed, bludgeoned or killed with homicidal violence, it would be evident and they wouldn't need tox to determine MOD especially. If she was asphyxiated, drugged or gently strangled to death, they would need tox results before they could be sure. The last case I can think of like this is AJ Hadsell, where tox results determined her COD was heroin poisoning, but they have not been able to determine MOD due to factors in how her body was found. I think we will see that here, even if tox comes back as a lethal amount of oxy and alcohol, for example. The circumstances are just too suspicious.

they would need tox to determine it because just because someone has those things happen to them doesnt mean they were killed that way. someone can be poisoned then shot to death to cover it up, for example. or maybe she has so many injuries and evidence of poisoning they arent sure which killed her. just a possible scenario that could result in them waiting for tox results. the family and community want solid answers, not guessing then changing mind later. the possibilities are really endless.

 

[dianaprince]

they would need tox to determine it because just because someone has those things happen to them doesnt mean they were killed that way. someone can be poisoned then shot to death to cover it up, for example. or maybe she has so many injuries and evidence of poisoning they arent sure which killed her. just a possible scenario that could result in them waiting for tox results. the family and community want solid answers, not guessing then changing mind later. the possibilities are really endless.

If she had other visible injuries or evidence of a heart attack, stroke, etc. I believe it would have been noted by the ME instead of simply the two self-inflicted cuts to the fingers, don't you think?

 

[marcyjoy]

they would need tox to determine it because just because someone has those things happen to them doesnt mean they were killed that way. someone can be poisoned then shot to death to cover it up, for example. or maybe she has so many injuries and evidence of poisoning they arent sure which killed her. just a possible scenario that could result in them waiting for tox results. the family and community want solid answers, not guessing then changing mind later. the possibilities are really endless.

I think you hit on the biggest reason that there is nothing from LE. If they announce a verdict on what happened and the tox screens come back with something contradictory, then they'd be causing more stress on an already devastated family. While the curious mind of mine would love answers, I appreciate LE waiting until they have the most information they can get.