Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #5

[Dushi]

Runaway, kidnapping, murder…all possibilities are on the table in the beginning.

Absolutely
And as adults we are allowed to run away so of course it is addressed

 

[margarita25]

In many cases there is a practical limit to how long a broad search can be sustained. Look at the Sky Metalwala search. Without any clues to narrow the search, the child could be anywhere. And at that point, the police "don't know what they don't know".

Respectfully, the cases involving the Killing Fields are a whole nother ball game, but I know what you mean. TES works in conjunction with LE and specific leads from LE. My point re: TM was that he had to get the ball rolling on his own when L E gave up, or whatever happened.

 

[Mistree]

People who are attacked generally go into a fight or flight state, there is no word of any defensive wounds, or any other marks. If someone tried to put a bag over my head I can tell you I would resist strenuously.
I do have some suicide statistics but not to the level of detail (I don't think they are kept) of both method and location.I should also point out that while it sounds like all I think of is suicide as the most likely option, I'm the one usually being told by detectives I am too suspicious in trying to come up with homicide theories...!

I would however like to know how the ME determined the hand wounds were self inflicted...

Precisely my point, with the BBM: I can guarantee the statistics of a woman who is claustrophobic, not only WOULD not put a bag over her head,
but then lay down in water.
We Don't know that she didn't put up a fight, those cuts, animal blood and her body are not by coincidence. She could have been doing as told in order to preserve her life.
I appreciate your professionalism, however; I don't believe this is the case with Cheryl.
Statistics, Statistics, Statistics..............

 

[Dushi]

Respectfully, the cases involving the Killing Fields are a whole nother ball game, but I know what you mean. TES works in conjunction with LE and specific leads from LE. My point re: TM was that he had to get the ball rolling on his own when L E gave up, or whatever happened.

OT

Please forgive me but I am not real familiar with Tim's daughters case

Did LE give up before they found the body?

 

[Mistree]

The "Lab" should be able to tell exactly what type of animal that blood came from. But, of course the police have to request the testing of such.
SMH

 

[margarita25]

I've seen on Forensic Files some cases that were initially ruled to be suicides reopened, then mod changed.

Stryker, sorry if this has already been answered, can you answer what all agencies are involved in investigating your mother's case? Tia.

 

[ANZAC]

One thing is for sure to me, if Cheryl didn't send the texts, and if Cheryl was murdered, LE would need to look real close to home .

Also my hypothesis from day 1. Husband has been ruled out, which leaves suicide more likely (if you only consider the text angle).

 

[Dushi]

The "Lab" should be able to tell exactly what type of animal that blood came from. But, of course the police have to request the testing of such.
SMH

And according to Stryker, they have, it was inconclusive and has been sent for further testing

 

[margarita25]

The "Lab" should be able to tell exactly what type of animal that blood came from. But, of course the police have to request the testing of such.
SMH

Stryker said the initial test was inconclusive, but the blood is being retested.

 

[Mistree]

I will say in my experience driving somewhere, and then walking quite a ways to commit suicide is quite common. I can think of at least 10 cases right off the top of my head in the last few years, locally. It rarely gets media coverage, so people are more inclined to assume the world is like CSI or NCIS.

Suicide by which means????
probably not the way Cheryl was found.

 

[cs2012]

I don't know about Satanic cults in the area, however, Seattle is home to two of the largest BDSM/fetish/swinger groups in the entire country. Psychology Today had an article about it last year. One group is named Center for Sex Positive Culture (CSPC), nicknamed the Wet Spot. It grew out of an underground coffee house. The last I heard, it had more than 10,000 members. A famous alum was Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer. The other is named New Horizons. The latter is located in a mansion in Lynnwood, just north of MLT. There isn't a lot of overlap between the two groups--in fact, there's a rivalry--so this means there are a lot of people into "the scene" in Puget Sound. There's also a kinky semi-rural resort near Redmond called The Longhouse, and it's no longer a secret that the "family nudist communities" have a BDSM element.

This next part is disturbing, especially for Stryker, and links shouldn't be read at work. Last year, the Seattle Erotic Art Festival, which is closely associated with CSPC, had a photography exhibition on "dark fetishes," which include "mummification," "water play" and "breath play." These can involve putting bags over people's heads, submerging people underwater and/or leaving them restrained and alone in parks or rural areas for extended periods. For example, check out the interests in this dark fetishist's profile. (Looks like he's on the Seattle waterfront.) Supposedly all of this is done "by consent," but there's also been some chatter in BDSM circles that not all sadists are bothering to get proper consent. As an acquaintance who's into that scene wryly told me, "Consent is more of an ideal than a reality."

wow. well i dont think most swingers would be into crimes and such extreme activities..but i suppose there could be a person who is. i was actually pondering going to that erotic art festival but in portland i think it was...good thing i didnt go! i appreciate art and the human body, but cant handle even scary movies or action movies/shows, i get nightmares easily. yes consent is huge in bdsm communities, ive met a few people who have said theyre into it...however, there is always the chance there could be a rare person who isnt respectful. and then theres consensual nonconsent or something. but i really dont think the swingers had anything to do with it..but maybe someone who was into some sort of twisted thing.

 

[TweebieDirt]

however, there is always the chance there could be a rare person who isnt respectful.

It only takes one errant "kinkster" to kill a lot of people. See: Gary Ridgeway.

 

[darring21]

I don't know why they are with holding toxicology reports. They told us results last week what the results were.

No sign of robbery however, her wallet is still missing. Clothes were not disheveled yet she was in a current strong enough to cause her to travel a bit. AND she died in a situation that she seems to have a phobia of. Things that make you go hmm.

WHY would pickard say these things with the points you made?! ugh

Why would they withhold the toxicology reports? Are they only releasing information that supports suicide and withholding information that doesn't?

 

[Eclipsed]

And according to Stryker, they have, it was inconclusive and has been sent for further testing

IMO They probably tested blood for domestic pets, just a hunch here. Now, they would have to broaden the search if dog/cat was not conclusive. JMO

 

[margarita25]

rsbm

I would however like to know how the ME determined the hand wounds were self inflicted...

Yes, yes, yes, this!!

 

[rotary_dial]

Something to keep in mind when discussing any computer forensics is that a user can boot their computer using a USB stick or DVD that contains a privacy oriented operating system. This will leave zero forensic evidence of what the user was doing on the computer they are using.

One example is Tails. From info obtained in the Snowden leaks, the privacy this OS affords even scares the NSA. Anyone with tech savvy looking for privacy/anonymity would have come across this in their research.

All inbound and outbound internet traffic uses the TOR network, so any data the ISP may have would not be useful to determine anything. No traces of any searches/sites visited would be left on her computer, or any other computer she booted using the USB/DVD containing the OS.



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[margarita25]

I realize that there are numerous methods for suicide, and locations that people go to do this, sometimes which don't make sense; however, how many times do we see here someone who suffered foul play being found in a ditch/culvert/off the road...we see it all the time. Again, how many feet from the road? I read a Stat about this, bodies being found just off the road, how common it is in homicides. It is this location I think which bothers me most about Cheryl's case, seems so reminiscent of dump sites we always see.

Everything is jmo.

 

[Dushi]

Me says that the cuts are , IHO, self inflicted
Ok, so I don't know how he knows but I will go with he knows

I still would expect her to have broken fingernails or something because you would put up some sort of fight, even if brief

 

[DatelineFan]

It's odd because it seemed like they were quick to say the public was not in danger. A missing woman with blood in her car and they are investigating as a possible kidnapping sounds like a danger to the public. Maybe that statement came later?

Have you ever heard the police announce that the public is in danger? I haven't. I don't think they do that no matter what evidence they do or don't have. They don't want to cause panic.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

Is it possible that one or both of Cheryl and her husband went hunting on the weekend and the blood ended up there inadvertently? (I have no clue if it's even hunting season.)

There were some small game in season in Washington state in early Feb - fox, raccoon, rabbit. And cougar are in season.

I live with more than one hunter, and I cannot imagine taking an animal and putting it on the front seat to drive home... in the trunk, yes. The bed of a pick-up, yes. Not the passenger seat of a car - not unless it's in a garbage bag or otherwise protected from the seat. And if that did happen, why leave the blood there and not try to scrub it out?