Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[PLT]

Not much sleep for me last night either and more than enough time to wonder if a plastic bag method could work under conditions over which she had so little control. It would be difficult to crouch near the culvert and not disturb the vegetation.



You would be there for so long trying to accomplish the slow process of producing drowsiness and finally sleep. It's true that individuals with sleep apnea for instance sometimes fall asleep involuntarily, but deliberately reproducing that effect under such conditions as Cheryl was in seems nearly impossible. On top of everything else it was raining that day. This seems like the "sci fi" moment that failed the reality test.

No disturbance to the West or East side of the culvert according to the link you provided so regardless of homocide or suicide - how do we think she/or the perp entered the area?

 

[Eileen730]

No disturbance to the West or East side of the culvert according to the link you provided so regardless of homocide or suicide - how do we think she/or the perp entered the area?

I think she walked in!

 

[Eileen730]

Thing is for me this all happened around Valentines day and her Anniversary.
To me that kind of says something.
could be Nothing could be Something!

 

[Starry Night]

Puzzle, puzzled, puzzling. Yet going by the facts presented still leaves conjecture. I don't feel as if LE has reached any conclusive determination of manner (or is it cause) of death yet.
If they have then it is because they know more than we do, and they are not releasing publicly same.

 

[Eileen730]

Puzzle, puzzled, puzzling. Yet going by the facts presented still leaves conjecture. I don't feel as if LE has reached any conclusive determination of manner of death yet.
If they have then it is because they know more than we do,

Yes because they spoke to all involved in her daily life!

 

[PLT]

A brief pause for a moment - some of the recent posts I have been reading here are filled with personal experiences. To those sharing, I admire your strength and caring especially those who have first hand experience with attempted suicide by self or family/friends. For those who have lost loved ones I am truly sorry.

Those of you who survived such attempts - I sincerely say that I am SO glad you are here with us today making a difference just by ...being. These boards often surprise me because unlike other media forums, I walk away touched by your experiences and more knowledgeable about your areas of expertise.

I don't follow many cases because I can get easily absorbed in the events and saddened by the thought of the victim'loved ones but certain cases draw me in. My little one will ask - are you reading the "website with the star on top". I now realize how many stars we have here -please keep shining !

Cheryl -you have us on a very strange journey but no one is giving up offline or online. I hope Stryker57 is getting the break from here he needs but knows he has support backing him however this turns out and some locals here are awaiting instruction on ways to help.

 

[2Hope4]

The meat is 80 protein 10 bone and 10 organ meat. It's a mixture of beef, pork, chicken, turkey, rabbit and lamb. I really don't know but that was my first thought when I heard animal blood.

I feed similar to a dog. There is blood in the meat I feed!!! It comes directly from the butcher, not a grocery store, the actual place the animal is killed and processed! Though mine contains venison as that's one meat he isn't allergic to.

I don't know about the butcher shop or where Cheryl may have gotten raw meat for her cats.

I do however know that more people are leaning away from processed meats at a grocery store because of the added preservatives, chemicals, etc. Many are going towards grass fed, straight from the farm meats as a healthier option. I have friends that raise various animals and sell them to those in cities that can't raise their own.

My family are hunters. I personally do not hunt. (Unless trapping cats for TNR counts!) I do however process the meat that my family kills for our personal use. And I know when I reached out to friends and other family for 'grass fed' meat, bones, organs for the dog I'm currently fostering, many replied to come get what I needed. Two people donated venison from their freezer! Guess what? It all contained BLOOD! Which was what I needed for this staved dog. Vet recommended RAW liver from lamb, goat, or venison! Small piece 1 inch by 3 inches daily! To build up his blood due to anemia.

I don't discount the blood from being some meat Cheryl got for her cats. It may not have even been from a butcher, but from a friend that had whatever meat in their freezer from their own hunting.

 

[DanceCard]

A brief pause for a moment - some of the recent posts I have been reading here are filled with personal experiences. To those sharing, I admire your strength and caring especially those who have first hand experience with attempted suicide by self or family/friends. For those who have lost loved ones I am truly sorry.

Those of you who survived such attempts - I sincerely say that I am SO glad you are here with us today making a difference just by ...being. These boards often surprise me because unlike other media forums, I walk away touched by your experiences and more knowledgeable about your areas of expertise.

I don't follow many cases because I can get easily absorbed in the events and saddened by the thought of the victim'loved ones but certain cases draw me in. My little one will ask - are you reading the "website with the star on top". I now realize how many stars we have here -please keep shining !

Cheryl -you have us on a very strange journey but no one is giving up offline or online. I hope Stryker57 is getting the break from here he needs but knows he has support backing him however this turns out and some locals here are awaiting instruction on ways to help.

What a lovely post, PLT! Very thoughtful of you to write.

I've shared more on this thread about my experience of suicide than I have with most of the people I know in RL that I consider to be close friends. Of course people who knew me way back when my family member did it are aware of it, but I never talk about it. Those people in RL that I've met in my later years and are now friends know nothing about it. The stigma around suicide, for those who attempt it and survive, for the deceased and also for the family members, continues.

It's been good to be able to talk a little about it here. I find the WS community to be one of the most kind, compassionate and supportive of the online messasge boards I read, people like you are what it make it so :tyou:

 

[dizzychick]

I think that would only work if u thought it was a Murder!

Id like to know what her days were like before this happened!
Any problems?
Arguments with anyone?

I cant see a motive to murder her!

how about a million bucks life insurance ?

 

[2Hope4]

There hasn't been anything mentioning head injury. If Cheryl fell in that culvert, she should have some head injury due to the concrete! Or all the rocks visible in photos have shared.

Nope, still not seeing suicide.

As for the razor blade. There is actually a comb that has a razor blade in it for removing matted fur. I own two of them. The razor blade has to be changed because they get dull, and thus pull and hurt the animal when trying to remove a mat. Something you don't want! So want the blade sharp, and sliding easily through the mat. Often the mats will contain dirt, or flea dander in it, and further dulls the blades. *I have a Great Pyrenees this happens to A LOT* Scissors scare him, the electric or rechargeable clippers scare him, so I use that comb with the razor blade, especially during Spring shedding season!

You can buy the single blade razors in bulk, and they contain a small piece of thin cardboard covering the blade. In water, that part would fall off the blade.

I've been known to wear the same pair of pants two days in a row. If I had been doing something, and placed a used blade in my pants pocket, it would be there the next day.

I didn't have the pleasure of knowing Cheryl. So I have no idea what her lifestyle was like, or if it was familiar to my own in any way.

Like any case, we all have biases based on our own life experiences.

As a fellow animal rescuer, fostering the ones deemed not suitable for most homes, and a huge love for animals, I can't imagine anyone I know, or anyone that I have been associated with committing suicide with no plans for the animals, nor after waiting months to get an animal, and then suicide 2 days later. Doesn't add up. I will admit that burnout is high in the rescue world, but it doesn't seem Cheryl was doing rescue at the rate that people burn out. She wasn't a vet, another profession that has a high suicide rate.

I would rather think someone had committed suicide versus homicide. But I'm not seeing it in this case.

 

[2Hope4]

What a lovely post, PLT! Very thoughtful of you to write.

I've shared more on this thread about my experience of suicide than I have with most of the people I know in RL that I consider to be close friends. Of course people who knew me way back when my family member did it are aware of it, but I never talk about it. Those people in RL that I've met in my later years and are now friends know nothing about it. The stigma around suicide, for those who attempt it and survive, for the deceased and also for the family members continues.

It's been good to be able to talk a little about it here. I find the WS community to be one of the most kind, compassionate and supportive of the online messasge boards I read, people like you are what it make it so :tyou:

Thank you for sharing your experience, and I'm glad you're still with us to share!!! My sister has attempted suicide several times, the last ending up in ICU for almost a week. She describes much the same thinking as you have. The urge is so strong that she can't prevent it. My grandfather committed suicide when my Mom was a child. I've had classmates that have committed suicide. Known several teenagers that committed suicide. In each of my own personal experiences, there were signs. If not at the time, as people looked back, they realized the signs that had been ignored, or overlooked at the time. Nothing about Cheryl's case says that.

The stigma around mental illness needs to stop! So more people will seek help and be open to talking about it!

 

[Eileen730]

how about a million bucks life insurance ?

I don't feel that here!
What I was thinking was Divorce possibly!
To me that would pretty much be the trigger.

If someone grabbed her at the park and ride I do think there would have been some kind of altercation.
Her husband has been ruled out...he didn't kill her now did he hire someone to kill her?
Not with a plastic bag.

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Cant be accident with the bag over head!
LE says they don't see it as a Homicide at this time.

I am of the belief she killed herself.

 

[dizzychick]

I don't feel that here!
What I was thinking was Divorce possibly!
To me that would pretty much be the trigger.

If someone grabbed her at the park and ride I do think there would have been some kind of altercation.
Her husband has been ruled out...he didn't kill her now did he hire someone to kill her?
Not with a plastic bag.

JMO

it would depend on her will and who she designated beneficiaries, maybe not hubby but someone else down the line that has a nefarious plan for the future, ya never know

 

[dizzychick]

Cant be accident with the bag over head!
LE says they don't see it as a Homicide at this time.

I am of the belief she killed herself.

I just can't go there and I tried hard ! I dunno what happened to her, it's so strange. I would hate to be her family this must be a nightmare for them

 

[Eileen730]

I just can't go there and I tried hard ! I dunno what happened to her, it's so strange. I would hate to be her family this must be a nightmare for them

I know!
And yes it is strange!
Yet we see no evidence of Violence.

I just have this feeling we will learn more in time.
I'm not so sure we have all the tox results at this time.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Something I always try not to say is "they would never."

 

[lisette]

I'm sorry but everyone keeps talking about a take-out plastic bag. Was it confirmed that it was that type of bag? Is it a place that CD frequented for take-out?

 

[Justiceforcheryl]

how about a million bucks life insurance ?

One look at her husbands face and you would know that he would give ten million to have his best friend back.

 

[Stripehaven]

I was thinking more along the lines of why would a 53 year old woman have a razor blade in her coat pocket.

Razor blades can be bought at drug stores. If Cheryl's husband uses a razor, then where did Cheryl get the razor blade, and if she bought it, where's the rest of the package?

Having a razor blade in the pocket as an indicator of self-inflicted injuries is like having a gun in your pocket as you lay dying from a suicide shot to the head.

The gun, or a razor blade, in pocket does not mean suicide.
It means someone staged the crime.

But why would a perp stage a razor blade when Cheryl did not die from any kind of cutting? Would he not have inflicted some kind of fatal cuts, to her wrists? tHAT would have appeared to be an obvious suicide.