Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[Yvettea]

True, but she was in a moving creek for 6 days. Blood would have been washed off her shoes. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that water is one of the best ways to get rid of evidence.

True but there could be prints in the blood possibly indicating who sat there.

 

[yelhsalobie]

Exactly! Either the blood was deliberately put there, or an injured animal was there.

It could be determined whether it is old blood, or fresh blood. If it was fresh blood, where is the animal? If it wasn't fresh blood, how was the blood transported to the car?

Assuming that the finger cuts are self-inflicted, why would Cheryl leave blood on the exterior of her car? Touching the car exterior isn't something that I normally do - other than pulling the door handles. If she was bleeding, then either she deliberately put blood on the exterior of the car, or there's an unexplained reason for her to have her bleeding hands on her car.

If she deliberately put her bleeding hands on the car exterior, then the animal blood should also be staged, and it should be old blood.

I remember that Stryker57 (Cheryl's son, Eric) said that the animal blood on the passenger floor board was of substantial amount and fresh enough to smear with your hand.

 

[otto]

True but there could be prints in the blood possibly indicating who sat there.

Maybe nobody sat there. Animal blood is on the floor. It's possible that Cheryl put an injured animal on the passenger seat floor, or she poured animal blood on the passenger seat floor. One of the two happened.

 

[Yvettea]

Maybe nobody sat there. Animal blood is on the floor. It's possible that Cheryl put an injured animal on the passenger seat floor, or she poured animal blood on the passenger seat floor. One of the two happened.

I wonder if LE checked with local vets or animal hospitals or even emergency rooms if they didn't know it was animal blood. Now how was there nothing unusual about the car in the beginning?

 

[DatelineFan]

Maybe nobody sat there. Animal blood is on the floor. It's possible that Cheryl put an injured animal on the passenger seat floor, or she poured animal blood on the passenger seat floor. One of the two happened.

Or someone else did.

 

[Treelights]

Speed reading failed me again.

Off Topic:

Oh my, I have to say that your post brought back memories for me….

Cheech and Chong's Evelyn Woodhead Speed Reading Course!!

Hilarious!!

 

[Yvettea]

Wonder if there were any recognizable prints of any kind? Seems with all that blood there might be at least one.

 

[otto]

Or someone else did.

True. Perhaps there was no animal, and Cheryl did not put animal blood on the floor boards of her passenger seat. Perhaps someone else put animal blood in her car. If someone else is responsible, then I think it must be part of staging a suicide, which means murder by someone who wants her death to appear as a sucide --> someone close to her.

I don't think she had a "blond moment" and wandered into a deep creek with a plastic bag over her head.

 

[Treelights]

Exactly! Either the blood was deliberately put there, or an injured animal was there.

It could be determined whether it is old blood, or fresh blood. If it was fresh blood, where is the animal? If it wasn't fresh blood, how was the blood transported to the car?

Assuming that the finger cuts are self-inflicted, why would Cheryl leave blood on the exterior of her car? Touching the car exterior isn't something that I normally do - other than pulling the door handles. If she was bleeding, then either she deliberately put blood on the exterior of the car, or there's an unexplained reason for her to have her bleeding hands on her car.

If she deliberately put her bleeding hands on the car exterior, then the animal blood should also be staged, and it should be old blood.

IF there is animal blood on the exterior, maybe Cheryl was holding the animal in her arms and had to lean on the exterior for a moment to get her balance, then open the door?

IMOO.

 

[DatelineFan]

True. Perhaps there was no animal, and Cheryl did not put animal blood on the floor boards of her passenger seat. Perhaps someone else put animal blood in her car. If someone else is responsible, then I think it must be part of staging a suicide, which means murder by someone who wants her death to appear as a sucide --> someone close to her.

I don't think she had a "blond moment" and wandered into a deep creek with a plastic bag over her head.

Totally agree!

I think if she was murdered, 90% chance it was someone she was familiar with. 10% it was a random person who may be related to Marianne Humble's death, too.

 

[Treelights]

True. Perhaps there was no animal, and Cheryl did not put animal blood on the floor boards of her passenger seat. Perhaps someone else put animal blood in her car. If someone else is responsible, then I think it must be part of staging a suicide, which means murder by someone who wants her death to appear as a sucide --> someone close to her.

I don't think she had a "blond moment" and wandered into a deep creek with a plastic bag over her head.

And if she usually kept her car doors Unlocked (of which stryker57 said she leaves them unlocked), someone could have placed it there…

IMOO.

 

[otto]

Totally agree!

I think if she was murdered, 90% chance it was someone she was familiar with. 10% it was a random person who may be related to Marianne Humble's death, too.

Yes. That's where I'm going too. Given the animal blood on the floorboards, there are three possibilities:

1. injured animal; where is the animal
2. Cheryl put the blood there
3. Another person put the blood there

Option 1 Cheryl or another person put the injured animal in the car and then removed it.
Option 2 Cheryl did strange things before she committed suicide by walking into a deep, cold creek with a plastic bag over her head and a razor blade in her pocket.
Option 3 Another person close to Cheryl was involved.

 

[otto]

And if she usually kept her car doors Unlocked (of which stryker57 said she leaves them unlocked), someone could have placed it there…

IMOO.

I would be surprised if someone would drive to work with a wet puddle of blood on the passenger seat floor. That would cause most intelligent persons to get out of the car and follow up.

The animal blood in the car must have happened after she left her house, and before she was at the culvert.

 

[Yvettea]

Option 1 is out if this is moose blood.

Option 4 someone unknown to her.

 

[DatelineFan]

And if she usually kept her car doors Unlocked (of which stryker57 said she leaves them unlocked), someone could have placed it there…

IMOO.

I just want to address the unlocked doors comment. I remember Stryker saying that it's possible Cheryl's doors were unlocked in the driveway, since her car didn't have automatic locks. I don't think he said that she deliberately kept the doors unlocked out of habit. I'm going to go look for the post. I just think that's an important distinction.

ETA, post #346, 349 by Stryker address the unlocked doors. He actually didn't say that she kept the car unlocked. He said that it's possible/likely the car was unlocked when she got in that morning, since the car didn't have automatic locks. He also said that she wasn't in the habit of locking the doors after she got into the car.

 

[Lilibet]

Hi Lilibet,
Did LE rule out alcohol and/or drugs. My gut reaction was Ambien or the first appearance of dementia (I know it was said she didn't have dementia, but...).
Somehow, to me Cheryl's case sounds deliberate, on someone's part, but you brought up an interesting point/case.

There hasn't been any further information that I've seen, so I don't know about alcohol or drugs. It certainly could be a prescription drug interaction too. She disappeared in the afternoon, so I would say a UTI or early dementia before Ambien. To some degree this lady acted deliberately, although it wasn't a reasonable thing to do. If she had died, we wouldn't know that she had put herself in the culvert without intending suicide. And it could seem like murder. So it struck me that Cheryl's case is as confusing currently as this woman's might be if she had died.

 

[Yvettea]

Do you think they searched more diligently and more people participated because they were alarmed by the large amount of blood and thought she must be badly injured?

 

[otto]

If there was a large amount of blood, I'm curious what it looked like color-wise. Doesn't blood change color as it is exposed to air, and bleeding out would look different than pouring blood on the floor board?

 

[Treelights]

I just want to address the unlocked doors comment. I remember Stryker saying that it's possible Cheryl's doors were unlocked in the driveway, since her car didn't have automatic locks. I don't think he said that she deliberately kept the doors unlocked out of habit. I'm going to go look for the post. I just think that's an important distinction.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...54-Mountlake-Terrace-8-February-2016-5/page24

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Quote Originally Posted by Hdk View Post
Stryker57- how likely is it that the car was unlocked when your mom got in it at the house? I never even thought about the idea of someone being in the backseat when she got in the car.

The badge being missing on that particular day could then mean absolutely nothing - but if someone really was in the car then I'm not even sure how / why she would have sent a text at all.


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Very likely. Car doesn't lock automatically, and she wasn't one to lock her door after she got in."

Stryker57 mentions that it was very likely the car was Unlocked when Cheryl got in the car at her house.

 

[DatelineFan]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...54-Mountlake-Terrace-8-February-2016-5/page24

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Quote Originally Posted by Hdk View Post
Stryker57- how likely is it that the car was unlocked when your mom got in it at the house? I never even thought about the idea of someone being in the backseat when she got in the car.

The badge being missing on that particular day could then mean absolutely nothing - but if someone really was in the car then I'm not even sure how / why she would have sent a text at all.


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Very likely. Car doesn't lock automatically, and she wasn't one to lock her door after she got in."

Stryker57 mentions that it was very likely the car was Unlocked when Cheryl got in the car at her house.

Yes, but he didn't say it was her routine not to lock the doors when she got out. I edited my post. He said she didn't lock them after she got in. He has two posts on this if you look at my original post. I just wanted to make sure we are discussing this accurately in context of what he said.