Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[Treelights]

Cheryl can experiment with any kind of raw meat that she wants, but where would she legally obtain raw meat that is so fresh that it has blood on a Monday morning? Consumer meat, for people and animals, does not contain blood.

Maybe someone who does their own butchering? a farm?

What were Cheryl's activities on Saturday or Sunday?

IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

My understanding is that when she parks at home, she doesn't normally lock car her doors.

That was my understanding, so it is possible that her car was unlocked at home.

IMOO.

 

[kammiemc]

Of all the elements of this case the one that seems the least coincidental to me is finding a large amount of animal blood on the floor on the passenger side - the same day Cheryl disappears.

Totally agree. Whoever put it there had to have known (I think?) that it would eventually be discovered to be animal blood, but wanted people to at least initially think something significant happened to Cheryl on 58th.

I also think the razor blade in her pocket (that likely ended up being used to cut her two fingers on opposite hands, causing her own blood to be left in the car along with the animal blood) is unlikely to be coincidental.

 

[Treelights]

To gin up the interest in the case.

Planted? And by whom? Am I understanding your post correctly?

 

[otto]

This scenario just sounds so exhausting a way for someone to plan a suicide. It requires so much effort. I believe it's a homicide.

It does, doesn't it. We've got a 53 year old woman who is on her way to work on Monday morning, but instead she's going to commit suicide in a drainage ditch leaving animal blood in her car.

• Feb 8 Wake Up
• plans the evening meal and takes food out
• deliberately tucks her work badge under some clothing
• leaves for work a couple of minutes later than her husband
• drives to the overflow parking area at her carpool pickup
• texts the carpool that she forgot the badge
• mentions that it will take 10 minutes
• powers down the phone
• pulls the razor blade out of her pocket
• cuts one finger on each hand
• somehow obtains animal blood that morning and puts animal blood on the passenger seat floorboard
• puts her own blood on the console, the passenger interior door, and the car exterior
• walks 1.5 miles to a drainage ditch
• puts a plastic bag over her head
• wanders into a 2-3 foot deep cold creek
• triumphs over the innate will to live and breath without drugs
• dies

 

[Yvettea]

Planted? And by whom? Am I understanding your post correctly?

I can't think of any reason Cheryl would want to increase the interest in the case when she is hiding in a culvert. Looks like someone really wanted some attention and it worked fairly well. It may have increased media attention along with the fact that Cheryl was a Fred Hutch employee. May have increased the size of the group searching which drew media interest. That's how it seems to me. IMO

 

[otto]

Maybe someone who does their own butchering? a farm?

What were Cheryl's activities on Saturday or Sunday?

IMOO.

If the animal blood was put in her car a day or two before Monday, why was it still wet? It wasn't that cold.

 

[Treelights]

It does, doesn't it. We've got a 53 year old woman who is on her way to work on Monday morning, but instead she's going to commit suicide in a drainage ditch leaving animal blood in her car.

• Feb 8 Wake Up
• plans the evening meal and takes food out
• deliberately tucks her work badge under some clothing
• leaves for work a couple of minutes later than her husband
• drives to the overflow parking area at her carpool pickup
• texts the carpool that she forgot the badge
• mentions that it will take 10 minutes
• powers down the phone
• pulls the razor blade out of her pocket
• cuts one finger on each hand
• somehow obtains animal blood that morning and puts animal blood on the passenger seat floorboard
• puts her own blood on the console, the passenger interior door, and the car exterior
• walks 1.5 miles to a drainage ditch
• puts a plastic bag over her head
• wanders into a 2-3 foot deep cold creek
• triumphs over the innate will to live and breath without drugs
• dies

In addition to the text about the ten minutes she also texts for the car pool person to go ahead without her that she will probably ride home with them.

If she was going to get a ride that morning with the car pooler why would she even say to go ahead without her? Why would she say Probably get a ride home with the car pooler. Probably is not a sure thing. Why not say I will ride home with you? Why bring it up at all, if she knew that she would get a ride home?

IMOO.

 

[ANZAC]

It does, doesn't it. We've got a 53 year old woman who is on her way to work on Monday morning, but instead she's going to commit suicide in a drainage ditch leaving animal blood in her car.

• Feb 8 Wake Up
• plans the evening meal and takes food out
• deliberately tucks her work badge under some clothing
• leaves for work a couple of minutes later than her husband
• drives to the overflow parking area at her carpool pickup
• texts the carpool that she forgot the badge
• mentions that it will take 10 minutes
• powers down the phone
• pulls the razor blade out of her pocket
• cuts one finger on each hand
• somehow obtains animal blood that morning and puts animal blood on the passenger seat floorboard
• puts her own blood on the console, the passenger interior door, and the car exterior
• walks 1.5 miles to a drainage ditch
• puts a plastic bag over her head
• wanders into a 2-3 foot deep cold creek
• triumphs over the innate will to live and breath without drugs
• dies

Now replay it as a homicide, and include someone turning the phone off, locking the car, texting the coworkers, animal blood in the car, self inflicted cuts, the razor in the pocket, and then getting 1.5 miles to the culvert (at gunpoint or in a car) and not being seen with the perp. There is more you have to "make go away" (like the phone being turned off) in the homicide scenario vs suicide.

(edit) Also if the murderer planned it so well, how did he know she'd leave her card at home and park where she parked. Wouldn't she normally be with her car pool friends by then?

 

[Seatowner]

You know, I saw a post on SM from a coworker of Cheryl's talking about a very difficult project they were working on.

Something about on Friday he actually commented how well she was handling it.

Obviously this is just hearsay, but going to work Monday and dealing with that could have been a stresser.

I HATE that I can't find that post again but it was in response to her mother's SM statement.

I have been SO against suicide, but I think my brain is fried trying to think how a murderer could be so lucky to get away without leaving any forensic evidence.

Either way, her family is still in my thoughts.


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[Treelights]

I can't think of any reason Cheryl would want to increase the interest in the case when she is hiding in a culvert. Looks like someone really wanted some attention and it worked fairly well. It may have increased media attention along with the fact that Cheryl was a Fred Hutch employee. May have increased the size of the group searching. That's how it seems to me. IMO

Interesting thoughts.... a different take on things...

IMOO.

 

[otto]

In addition to the text about the ten minutes she also texts for the car pool person to go ahead without her that she will probably ride home with them.

If she was going to get a ride that morning with the car pooler why would she even say to go ahead without her? Why would she say Probably get a ride home with the car pooler. Probably is not a sure thing. Why not say I will ride home with you? Why bring it up at all, if she knew that she would get a ride home?

IMOO.

Perhaps she wasn't an assertive person. Perhaps she wanted the carpool to go without her, but when asked how long she needed to collect the badge she provided an accurate estimate, never intending to get the badge. Then she powered down her phone to avoid having to be assertive about not needing a ride that morning.

 

[kammiemc]

Planted? And by whom? Am I understanding your post correctly?

I would say the options are that it was either planted by Cheryl (if it was suicide) or by her murderer (if it was homicide).

The whole thing is bizarre and abnormal, but I just can't believe that the animal blood on her car's passenger floorboard plus her own blood on the passenger door/handle console (which is consistent with her cuts per Stryker, which ME says are self-inflicted) plus the razor blade in her pocket ALL found on the day she either committed suicide or was murdered in a way that the killer tried to stage to look like suicide are unrelated/coincidental.

 

[DatelineFan]

Could it be possible that Cheryl was taking some of the raw meat or maybe some meat of whatever sort ( via the plastic bag) to a co-worker?
Also, I posted a thread or two back about the black marks around the door of her car gas tank door.
Could it be possible blood was found there and that is the remnants of a chemical used to test for blood?
At the same time I also posted about the noticeable distance of position the passengers seat was in.

I think the marks are residue from years of getting gas.

If she was bringing meat to someone, where is the meat? And wouldn't that person speak up?

The seat is consistent with her husband riding in it. He appears to be tall. My passenger seat is back too, because my fiancé rides there.

 

[ANZAC]

I agree it could have been planted, for sure.

Sorry to be so pedantic about the doors. It's just been mentioned a few times, and it was bothering me, since we're basing assumptions off of it.

If the blood was planted, Cheryl would have noticed it and called her husband. The two most likely explanations are that she put it there, or it was put there after she was "abducted".

(edit) and if she didn't see it she DEFINITELY would have smelled it

 

[krig101]

In addition to the text about the ten minutes she also texts for the car pool person to go ahead without her that she will probably ride home with them.

If she was going to get a ride that morning with the car pooler why would she even say to go ahead without her? Why would she say Probably get a ride home with the car pooler. Probably is not a sure thing. Why not say I will ride home with you? Why bring it up at all, if she knew that she would get a ride home?

IMOO.

This makes wonder if Cheryl had someone else in mind that she could ride to work with, and that other person holds the answers to what happened. Then I go back to thinking that right around this time someone else had possession of her phone and sent the text.

Where is her phone???

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[otto]

I can't think of any reason Cheryl would want to increase the interest in the case when she is hiding in a culvert. Looks like someone really wanted some attention and it worked fairly well. It may have increased media attention along with the fact that Cheryl was a Fred Hutch employee. May have increased the size of the group searching which drew media interest. That's how it seems to me. IMO

I don't think we can claim that the animal blood, or any blood, in her car drummed up media attention or a willingness in colleagues to search for her. Information about animal blood was withheld for more than a month, and self-inflicted injuries was released earlier. Given that colleagues found her body within 6 days with a plastic bag over her head, perhaps they assumed it was a suicide.

We can't forget that it was her employer who first published/confirmed that her body had been found.

 

[ANZAC]

At the age of 53, I would hope that Cheryl's biggest problem was menopause, not dementia. Dementia would come later, if at all. Given Cheryl's mothers' appearance at the Press Conference and online, she does not appear to be suffering signs of dementia. Dementia can be both inherited and/or environmental.

We've seen dementia/Alzheimers (advanced and walking away form caregivers) as young as 45. Then there's also the sudden onset dementia case I mentioned. Thinking more about it, it developed over 24 hours, though the female subject was older than CD.

 

[Treelights]

If the animal blood was put in her car a day or two before Monday, why was it still wet? It wasn't that cold.

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Maybe it was in a Styrofoam cooler that leaked.

 

[DatelineFan]

If the blood was planted, Cheryl would have noticed it and called her husband. The two most likely explanations are that she put it there, or it was put there after she was "abducted".

I don't think if it was planted, it happened before she got in the car. I think that's highly unlikely, which is why I never said so.