Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #6

[otto]

Are you thinking of the video at 236th and 56th street? Or did she get picked up by video somewhere else as well?

Thanks. I wrote the wrong avenue. Surveillance was at 7AM on 56th Ave and 136 Str. She was texting 2 minutes later at 7:02AM, and she didn't drive and text. She pulled over to text, and the location of her car on 58th Ave and 134 Str. is consistent with pulling over two minutes after the video camera.

We only know of the video surveillance at home between 6:50-7AM, and at 7AM four blocks from where her car was parked.

 

[Nan80]

We heard it was that deep when investigators were there but that was a week after Cheryl went missing. Since we don't know what day she went into the culvert we have no way of knowing how deep the water was IMO.

Gotcha. Maybe super cold water could be instrumental in material under the fingernails remaining no matter other variables?? I hope this was all checked by the ME.

 

[otto]

Her car was seen on video.

One can assume she was driving, but she was not seen on the video.

She was seen leaving her house. She is not seen getting into her car. Her car is seen where it should be at 7AM.

What are we asking here?

 

[Treelights]

Double DD Meats
http://www.doubleddmeats.com/

The butcher store's hours are Mon-Sat 9:00am-6:00pm, and they're closed on Sunday.

If meat were purchased there for her new kitty, OR family, it had to happen prior to 6:00pm Saturday.

This butcher shop has incredibly good reviews - I've had colleagues (randomly) sing their praises.
I'm of the opinion they're not in the habit of sending customers home with blood dripping from their packaging. Can my local neighbors speak to this?




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That doesn't necessarily mean she would have gotten all of her meat from there.
Could she also have gone elsewhere, too?

IMOO.

 

[otto]

Double DD Meats
http://www.doubleddmeats.com/

The butcher store's hours are Mon-Sat 9:00am-6:00pm, and they're closed on Sunday.

If meat were purchased there for her new kitty, OR family, it had to happen prior to 6:00pm Saturday.

This butcher shop has incredibly good reviews - I've had colleagues (randomly) sing their praises.
I'm of the opinion they're not in the habit of sending customers home with blood dripping from their packaging. Can my local neighbors speak to this?

Doesn't the butcher shop drain the blood from the carcass before selling it?
Is it legal to sell animal meat that has not had the blood drained?

 

[DatelineFan]

Doesn't the butcher shop drain the blood from the carcass before selling it?

YES!

I don't think the animal blood came from meat that was intended for consumption by people or animals.

 

[otto]

Gotcha. Maybe super cold water could be instrumental in material under the fingernails remaining no matter other variables?? I hope this was all checked by the ME.

I think that when it comes to submerging blood in water, it dilutes rather quickly, even if it is tucked under a fingernail. After six days in running water, there's no blood left behind.

 

[Nan80]

Not a chance that there was blood on Cheryl's fingernails after six days in a 2-3 foot deep creek. Keep in mind that the creek is typically 2-3 feet deep, but it had rained for five days before she was found in the 6 foot diameter Lyon Creek drainage culvert.

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I was specifically referring to materials underneath her nails.

 

[Treelights]

She was seen leaving her house. She is not seen getting into her car. Her car is seen where it should be at 7AM.

What are we asking here?

You said she (she being Cheryl) was seen on video on 56th.
I was stating that the car was seen, not Cheryl.

 

[otto]

YES!

I don't think the animal blood came from meat that was intended for consumption by people or animals.

Then either it was gathered over time and planted, or there's a missing injured animal.

 

[brandi]

Animal Blood and CD obtaining it(or food that contained it)Stryker57 knows about the blood, presumably he's discussed it with MD. From what has been said about CD and MD I'm speculating that if she were going about getting something different for the kitty it would have been a conversation and decision between the two of them...

 

[Nan80]

I think that when it comes to submerging blood in water, it dilutes rather quickly, even if it is tucked under a fingernail. After six days in running water, there's no blood left behind.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[otto]

You said she (she being Cheryl) was seen on video on 56th.
I was stating that the car was seen, not Cheryl.

Exactly. Her car is seen where it should be at 7AM.

2 minutes later, she is texting. Four blocks away from that 7AM car sighting, her car is found.

 

[kammiemc]

ANZAC appreciate all of your input on this case.

I wonder if CD accidentally hit an animal on the way to work, stopped to pick it up, put it in the floorboard of the car with intent of caring for it. Doesn't explain where the animal is now but possibly she took it with her on her walk to the culvert. Maybe it was the last straw in her mind of things out of control - accidentally hitting a poor helpless animal.

IMHO, the razor and self-inflicted finger wounds lean toward suicide.

O/T I came within inches of running over an opossum earlier today and nearly had a flipping heart attack, very alarming.

She did seem to have a soft spot for animals (I do too) but it seems like she would have mentioned it to her carpool if it happened on her way to 58th prior to making the text. I can't really see her being able to carry a bleeding animal for over a mile without someone noticing (also might go against her love of animals not to provide help but instead to take it to the culvert). That said, if everything added up, people would be solved and make sense to everyone--LE, family, the community.

 

[kammiemc]

Double DD Meats
http://www.doubleddmeats.com/

The butcher store's hours are Mon-Sat 9:00am-6:00pm, and they're closed on Sunday.

If meat were purchased there for her new kitty, OR family, it had to happen prior to 6:00pm Saturday.

This butcher shop has incredibly good reviews - I've had colleagues (randomly) sing their praises.
I'm of the opinion they're not in the habit of sending customers home with blood dripping from their packaging. Can my local neighbors speak to this?




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I have had my dogs on raw meat diets and there was no blood involved. There was a lot of regular liquid associated with raw meat. It's messy in that way. But not bloody.

 

[kammiemc]

Thanks. I wrote the wrong avenue. Surveillance was at 7AM on 56th Ave and 136 Str. She was texting 2 minutes later at 7:02AM, and she didn't drive and text. She pulled over to text, and the location of her car on 58th Ave and 134 Str. is consistent with pulling over two minutes after the video camera.

We only know of the video surveillance at home between 6:50-7AM, and at 7AM four blocks from where her car was parked.

I think we are talking about the same video. It was on 236th and 56th. Her car was found near 234th on 58th. So, yes, just a few blocks away. (It's just a 2 instead of a 1. But I know what you're talking about.)

 

[otto]

I have had my dogs on raw meat diets and there was no blood involved. There was a lot of regular liquid associated with raw meat. It's messy in that way. But not bloody.

Police have said that animal blood was found, so we are waiting to hear what type of animal.
I am curious to hear the police explanation for why a suicidal woman has fresh animal blood in the passenger seat of her car.

 

[Treelights]

I think we have gone round in circles so much that it does get confusing!

IMOO.

 

[ANZAC]

That may well be true, but Cheryl's mother doesn't have early onset dementia, and we haven't heard that her father did. We also haven't heard that Cheryl had early onset dementia, so I think we can steer away from dementia until there is something to base it on.

Early onset is different than sudden onset (I forget the proper name). Early onset means it appears at a younger age. Sudden onset means a rapid degradation. I think a big question here is, how long did it take Cheryl to get from the car to the culvert?

What time was she reported missing that day?

 

[Stripehaven]

She did seem to have a soft spot for animals (I do too) but it seems like she would have mentioned it to her carpool if it happened on her way to 58th prior to making the text. I can't really see her being able to carry a bleeding animal for over a mile without someone noticing (also might go against her love of animals not to provide help but instead to take it to the culvert). That said, if everything added up, people would be solved and make sense to everyone--LE, family, the community.

I don't think she injured an animal but if she had, certainly she would have transported it by car to the nearest emergency vet, which is basically northbound on Cedar Way (which becomes 44th Ave W), just past the point where it passes under I-5.