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Absolutely. Canada has been a country of acceptance and tolerance since at least the 1950s. Do you not find it mind boggling that the US is still hung up on the colour or eyes and skin - 70 years later? As children, we believed that so much happened in our childhoods - those 20 years - and then we learn that after 70 years people from the US are still unable to see past the colour of skin? That's like three generations of stupidity! Where else in the world does that happen?

Not so much.


http://t.thestar.com/#/article/opin...rsistence_of_racial_inequality_in_canada.html

http://ufcw.ca/index.php?option=com...ial-discrimination-in-canada&Itemid=6&lang=en

http://www.cdn-hr-reporter.ca/hr_topics/race-discrimination

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/



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Absolutely. Canada has been a country of acceptance and tolerance since at least the 1950s. Do you not find it mind boggling that the US is still hung up on the colour or eyes and skin - 70 years later? As children, we believed that so much happened in our childhoods - those 20 years - and then we learn that after 70 years people from the US are still unable to see past the colour of skin? That's like three generations of stupidity! Where else in the world does that happen?

And where else in the world does that happen? Other than Canada, how about Europe?

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/georegions/Europe/France01.htm

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/workingpapers/libe/102/default_en.htm

http://unchronicle.un.org/article/combating-racism-and-racial-discrimination-europe/


http://www.vice.com/read/guide-to-european-racist-leagues



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  • #1,043
IMO, racism is endemic all over the world, with the only difference being which minorities are targeted. And intolerance is not always racial. Often it is religious, sometimes cultural. People are, for better or worse, pack animals and those who are outside the pack, however that is defined, often get the short end of the stick. It is a better world than it was 50 years ago, and a much better world than it was 100 years ago, a hugely better than 150 years ago. I have no doubt that things will continue to improve, especially since our connections to other, often different, people continue to expand. The diversity in the workplace, for example, is dramatically different now than it was even 20 years ago.

RD did not improve race relations, she set them back.

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Re: setting the race relations back:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinions/opinion-roundup-rachel-dolezal/

One thing is perfectly clear: Rachel Dolezal is a liar. She created a complex world of delusion and deception that she perpetrated for years. Whether that delusion stems from white guilt of the nth degree or some other pathology, it's dangerous to lionize a liar.

Although she resigned from her post as the head of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP, the organization seemingly brushed off the controversy, claiming they "aren't concerned with the racial identity of their leadership." OK. But shouldn't lack of honesty be of concern? Does integrity even matter anymore? Apparently, not as long as you're ideologically aligned.
For some white Americans, Dolezal is a validation of the highly suspect notion that melanin is a social advantage, and that "minorities" now have access to privileges that Caucasian counterparts do not.

For many black Americans and other people of color, she is an example of how the shadow of white entitlement extends over just about every aspect of life in America — how it shrouds even the ability to determine the bounds of one's own culture and community rather than have it defined by the whims of others.


Black women and white women have a complicated relationship. It dates back to slavery, when we were the property of white women, through the Jim Crow era as we worked as maids to white women, and up to present day as we now serve as managers and protégées of white women. When we see Ms. Rachel with her kinky hair and fake bronze skin, it shakes us to our core.

This kind of imitation is not a form of flattery. It's modern day blackface. It's a costume. It's a cheap imitation.

And the true insult to injury for many of us is that Ms. Rachel has now been allowed on a national and global TV platform to give voice to our black experience. Yet, real black women are often tossed about like a political football when it suits others to climb on our backs so that they can stand up.

If a white woman can pretend to be us, and be given a voice to speak for us and our experiences as a black woman, what do we have left? In a world that stereotypes us as angry, loud, too much of this and not enough of that, Rachel Dolezal proves once again that really we still don't exist.
 
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Thanks for all the great links you keep supplying, Donjeta.

Right below the story on the above link is another article well worth the read...a list of RD's 60 plus lies and distortions, with links, including one to what RD claims is that kindergarten self portrait drawn with brown crayon.

One note....a link is provided to the Homeschoolers Anonymous site where it is explained a story about RD was removed because it downplayed her culpability (the story can still be accessed there).

I read the story. It should be removed altogether because it is unsourced and IMO, inaccurate. HA is a group of of folks who survived Duggar- style blanket training, "Biblical" parenting; the Quiverful abomination.

In this case the writer made the leap that RD was abused because she was homeschooled by fundamentalist Christians using a particular curriculum. The writer also says annoynmous sources claim to "know" of the Dolezals and to "know" the kids were blanket trained, etc.

I don't believe any of that. RD was homeschooled for 2 years, during high school, apparently by choice. Her siblings weren't hone schooled at all. Her brother Joshua's memoir doesn't mention abuse of any kind, in spite of the fact he freely criticizes his parents' religion and practices.

I'd hate to see any of RD's lies be accepted as truth, much less the unfounded assumptions of others taken as fact.
 
  • #1,046
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Originally Posted by Zuri

Kinda OT: I am thinking out loud here. Recently my brother did the DNA ethnicity test offered by Ancestry.com, and share his results with me. We are 35% Irish, 30% Western European, 20% Scandanavian and 15% Iberian Peninsula. I have never "identified" with being mostly Irish and had no clue I was.

So here is my question: Would Irish people be angry with me if I identified with their nationality? And started carrying on as if I were? Like walking in an Irish parade? My last name is not Irish. I have friends who are half Italian and identify with being Italian.

Granted, I am not perpetuating a fraud or any of that, but I was just wondering if you all identify with your ancestral roots? And would you all change your "identity" to be one more than the other?

I am genuinely interested in what you all have to say. I apologize for being OT. TIA
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You can walk in any Irish Parade your heart desires!! I'm very Irisha and proud of it < even born on St. Patrick's Day> I love Irish music, Irish dancing, green beer, but only on St. Patrick's Day. My maiden name was very Irish. I wouldn't change me for anything. ok maybe alittle taller. I'm 5'4.

JMO but I feel Rachel is lying about her brother Joshua. She needs to be charged with something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO
 
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Mac-and-cheese is soul food if you make it right! The Kraft Co. is not involved!

Sandinavian food bland? Apparently, you didn't try the lutefisk (made, I believe with rotting fish).


I've been schooled about Mac and cheese!! :). And lutefisk ? Nooooooo. Never tried it. Wasn't even tempted. I remember seeing it in the one and only grocery store in town, in frozen foods. It was the only fish for sale, fresh or frozen. I love fish, am accustomed to having a large variety to choose from, but even fish-starved with only one choice there was no way I'd volunteer to eat lye-cured cod. Yuck!
 
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For clarification as well, given that so many articles cite Joshua&#8217;s memoir as supporting RD&#8217;s claims of abuse by her ex.

Judge for yourself. Below is literally everything he writes about RD&#8217;s marriage and divorce.

I&#8217;ve noted before that his writing about the topic at all is odd, given the context of his memoir, and the fact that he otherwise barely mentions RD; he mentions his 4 adopted siblings exactly once.

The timing of his memoir is also interesting. He began to write it the year he was first accused of molesting his sister (2013) and published it after he was arrested on those charges (late 2014).

His focus on Rachel is entirely in his chapter 10, &#8220;Selway by Headlamp,&#8221; which otherwise has nothing at all to do with Rachel or family. Chapter 11 moves on to &#8220;The Tao of River Trash.&#8221;

He starts off: &#8220;I&#8217;ve decided to take a walk in the dark because I&#8217;m worried about my sister.&#8221; Says she&#8217;d called and told Joshua her ex was behind on child support but that she couldn&#8217;t afford more lawyer&#8217;s fees to make him pay.

(Note- most of the chapter is about his walk. RD-related content is inserted every other few pages or so).

He quotes his father that divorce, unless because of adultery, is equivalent to adultery, which Joshua says was the language he knew for blaming the victims, but that he had no sense &#8220;of the tangled stories and half-truths, the murky war of a custody dispute.&#8221;

Later. This is the ONLY time Joshua personally witnessed any &#8220;abuse&#8217; by the ex:

When RD&#8217;s son was 3, during a visit by Joshua to their parents&#8217; house (2003 or 2004, one or two years AFTER the alleged molestation of his adopted sister, BTW).
Joshua suggested taking his nephew swimming near Yaak Falls. The ex said no, not with my son. Joshua replied he&#8217;d be careful, and that RD&#8217;s son was &#8220;my nephew, for God&#8217;s sake,&#8221; and shouldn&#8217;t be cooped up all summer. He says the ex repeated no, and added- &#8220;that goes for her too,&#8221; (RD), and went inside.

That&#8217;s it.

Later. He says he wrote RD and told her she had to stand up for herself, and that the ex, not RD, replied, telling Joshua to MYOB and to not put ideas into RD&#8217;s head. Joshua writes: &#8220;He was reading her messages. Things were worse than I thought.&#8221; (Hello, Joshua. Maybe she showed it to her ex to rile him up, to say&#8230;look, honey, even my family thinks you don&#8217;t treat me right).

Joshua wrote her ex that it is his business when &#8220;your control interferes with her life. I will defend her right to privacy and freedom.&#8221; No response, so he called RD. RD told him things were OK but that she didn&#8217;t want him to write &#8220;because it made things worse,&#8221; that the ex hadn&#8217;t hit her but that he&#8217;d &#8220;thrown her by the hair twice,&#8221; bumped into her with his hip and knocked her down, and that he woke her up every day by being on top of her, that it was &#8220;freaking her out.&#8221;

Later. He says she refused to leave, that the ex was trying to do better. Joshua read up on domestic violence, including the &#8220;victim&#8217;s denial.&#8221; He called &#8220;all of their family friends&#8221; and told them about the &#8220;hair pulling" and the &#8220;prison of that house.&#8221; They wouldn&#8217;t help.

Then, in October of the same year &#8220; a few friends helped (RD) orchestrate a separation.&#8221; That played out with 2 deputies escorting her to the door where separation papers and a restraining order were served and she left without their son &#8220;because she had no legal right to her son and no proof of the danger he faced.&#8221;

Later he writes that his sister has been trying to explain to him that she is living a &#8220;self-contained hell. Living with relatives. Looking for work. Trying the patience of the few friends left&#8230;In place of fear, just a life grinding itself into dust. The indifferent world.&#8221;

Last thing he writes about her, still in the middle of writing about taking that walk in the woods:

&#8220;Miles away, my sister stirs in her sleep (&#8230;.) A flicker of worry crosses her face&#8230;she will notice mold along the wall and think of the cough she hasn&#8217;t been able to shake for weeks(&#8230;.)she will wonder why taking control of her life has made her feel so powerless..&#8221; (&#8230;) &#8220; I will think soon enough of my hand in my sister&#8217;s divorce.&#8221;
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IMO, odd in many ways. I&#8217;ve concluded for myself that the chapter may well have been written as a message directly to Rachel, whether as a plea or a threat, who knows.


ETA...although RD accused her ex of abusing their son, the court ruled after investigations that there was no evidence to support her charges and the ex received full joint custody of their son.
 
  • #1,049
Doesn't sound like Joshua Dolezal witnessed much (if anything) first hand regarding Rachel's ex-husband. Most of the abuse claims came from Rachel.
And I think most of us noticed Rachel regularly makes allegations of abuse, hate crimes, discrimination.
Here is what her ex-husband wrote to her:

"Please remember that Franklin is my son and tells me everything,&#8221; Moore wrote Dolezal on July 9, 2004, according to the divorce file in Kootenai County, Idaho. &#8220;We both know the things that you have said to other adults about me in the past, but please try to remember that the things that you have said are not actually true,&#8221; he wrote."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rachel-dolezal-claimed-forced-sex-tape-article-1.2261643
 
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Doesn't sound like Joshua Dolezal witnessed much (if anything) first hand regarding Rachel's ex-husband. Most of the abuse claims came from Rachel.
And I think most of us noticed Rachel regularly makes allegations of abuse, hate crimes, discrimination.
Here is what her ex-husband wrote to her:

"Please remember that Franklin is my son and tells me everything,&#8221; Moore wrote Dolezal on July 9, 2004, according to the divorce file in Kootenai County, Idaho. &#8220;We both know the things that you have said to other adults about me in the past, but please try to remember that the things that you have said are not actually true,&#8221; he wrote."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rachel-dolezal-claimed-forced-sex-tape-article-1.2261643


I pity her son. Sounds like he loves them both and must have felt conflicted his whole short 13 years, even before the global unveiling of his mother as liar and fraud.
 
  • #1,051
RD's divorce began in 11/2004 (see Kootenai county under Rachel Moore)
Entry listed under Moore, Rachel Dolezal

Then "05/31/2005 Powder Basin Domestive Violence Evaluation/ Rachel Dolezal"

9/2005 RD files motion support ex parte change of custody

Multiple requests for sanctions (denied)

Ongoing court processes through 2007 & mediation in 2009

There was a bond posted in 3/2015
Appears recent requests for copies of transcripts have been filed 6/19/2015

Source Court repository

Idcourts.us
 
  • #1,052
Doesn't sound like Joshua Dolezal witnessed much (if anything) first hand regarding Rachel's ex-husband. Most of the abuse claims came from Rachel.
And I think most of us noticed Rachel regularly makes allegations of abuse, hate crimes, discrimination.
Here is what her ex-husband wrote to her:

"Please remember that Franklin is my son and tells me everything,” Moore wrote Dolezal on July 9, 2004, according to the divorce file in Kootenai County, Idaho. “We both know the things that you have said to other adults about me in the past, but please try to remember that the things that you have said are not actually true,” he wrote."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rachel-dolezal-claimed-forced-sex-tape-article-1.2261643

I think RD 's son has certainly been an ear witness to the allegations and requests for sanctions she has filed against her ex, based upon the 5 years of contentious of court battles.

Also, from your link, the picture of RD in the beige crochet halter shows off her scar near armpit of presumably breast enhancement surgery. IMO
 
  • #1,053
http://www.people.com/article/rachel-dolezal-black-woman-cover-blown-hate-crimes


Inside Story: How Rachel Dolezal's Cover as a Black Woman Was Blown

Earlier this year, investigative reporter Jeff Selle of Idaho's Coeur d'Alene Press learned that "Rachel had reported finding a package filled with racial threats against her and addressed to her in the post office box of the Spokane, Washington NAACP, of which she was president at the time.

It caught Selle's attention since the many alleged hate crimes Dolezal reported while living in Coeur d'Alene were never substantiated, and he believed were not true.

"There hadn't been a string of hate crimes until she shows up," Selle tells PEOPLE. "And now with them allegedly happening in Spokane, I said, 'This looks fishy.' "

He soon discovered that Dolezal claimed a black man named Albert Wilkerson was her father, which Wilkerson denied in three interviews with Selle.

Selle then tracked down Dolezal's mother Ruthanne Dolezal in Montana.

&#8220;The mom was reluctant to talk because of the legal issues pending against Rachel's brother in Colorado,&#8221; he says. &#8220;I convinced her to talk."

"Maureen asked Rachel point blank if she was African American and she said she was trans-racial and she said, 'What does that mean?,' " Selle recalls. "The only reason we asked if she was black is because she claimed it was a racial attack."

CF:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...el-dolezal-draws-ire-of-transracial-adoptees/

&#8220;I&#8217;ve never said, like, &#8216;I&#8217;m transracial,'&#8221; ex-NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal told Melissa Harris-Perry on Tuesday. Indeed, Dolezal said she thought discussion of her identification was a distraction from conversations about racial justice.

She summed it up: &#8220;&#8230; That&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m about.&#8221;

Further points of note that there were two keys to the post box and Rachel had one of them, and there was male DNA found in the letter.
 
  • #1,054
Absolutely. Canada has been a country of acceptance and tolerance since at least the 1950s. Do you not find it mind boggling that the US is still hung up on the colour or eyes and skin - 70 years later? As children, we believed that so much happened in our childhoods - those 20 years - and then we learn that after 70 years people from the US are still unable to see past the colour of skin? That's like three generations of stupidity! Where else in the world does that happen?

BBM. This is a sweeping broad statement which I find offense to. Not everyone across the US is unable to get past skin colour. Racism in the news is similiar to if it bleeds it leads. Just like there are far more good things that happen than bloody murder, there are far more people across the US that embrace a variety of cultures and races. The good things just aren't newsworthy. And AFAIC unless criminal charges are filed, Rachel Dolezal is no longer newsworthy as well.

Additionally, I wouldn't give RD the platform of having any responsibility with the SC mass shooting. The perpetrators friends made it clear it was the issues in Ferguson and Baltimore which drove him over the edge.
 
  • #1,055
Late to this conversation (new poster here). But I had to post anyway because this woman just infuriates me.

Let me start off by saying that I am a pale, red haired, freckle faced young white woman. My mother is white and my bio dad (sperm donor as I refer to him as) is white. However, my bio dad disappeared when I was an infant. My mother met and married my technical step dad (he is daddy to me and will always be) when I was 2 years old. He is a black man. He adopted me legally and raised me as his own. I have two younger half siblings who are biracial. Growing up in the household made race a non issue for me, I did not realize my family was different than any other. My bio dad was never talked about and I was young enough when step dad came around that until I was 9 years old, I really thought step dad was my real dad. That is until 3rd grade when some mean hick on the playground told me "he can't be your dad! He's a N*****!" This was back in the rural part of NC in the mid 90's so, tolerance was not what it is today.

My reason for sharing this info with you all is to demonstrate that maybe more than typical people, I can relate to feeling a strong affinity to another culture than my own. I am also very passionate and active in civil rights issues, racism, black lives matter, etc., just like Rachel. I have marched for Trayvon, Eric, Michael and Freddie. I get her passion (if it is genuine and not just a mask she wears).

However, what I do not get and what I take issue with is her blatant privilege and appropriation and the (most likely) falsified reports of hate crimes committed against her. What she has done has allowed what I stand for as a white woman involved in the cause to become a joke. She has reduced my passion and my life's work to nothing but a punch line. Worst than that, she has made the very people that I am working to try and help and advance distrustful of people like me coming into their circles and trying to fight the good fight even more than they already were.

God forbid she had gotten to experience police brutality during one of her many traffic stops or God forbid she had been attacked by neo nazi's or whatever the hell it is in some dark alley way while leaving work- what then? All because of a costume? Ah, I bet she would just love it, actually, to further her victim role and martyr status.

I have seen my younger siblings get picked on and bullied for being biracial. They are bullied by the white kids for being black and bullied by the black kids for being white or "not black enough." I have had the devastating experience as a little girl of seeing my 6 foot 5 inch, 250 lb bear of a step dad try to hide his tears while driving us home because the restaurant we had been excited to try would not even acknowledge our blended family's presence, literally. To think that someone would "dress up" to try and live that and even worse, capitalize off of it is sick.

I will add that my step dad is in his mid 50's, a large black male, in the south no less, and said RD has supposedly experienced more blatant racism/hate crimes against her in 5 years than he has in the last 20 so, that should tell you something about the truthfulness or likely lack thereof her claims...

To think I almost started to feel bad about her having her name and face plastered everywhere with horrible comments about her under every article... I am so glad she opened her mouth this week, omitted even any hint of making an apology or admitting what she did was wrong and slapped me back into the reality that she is a self absorbed, self serving, lying 🤬🤬🤬 who deserves it all.


Welcome to WS BombshellTonight! Great post. Glad to have you here at WS. :welcome:
 
  • #1,056
Yeah, mac-n-cheese is a staple side on soul food menus. One of my favorite foods. Years ago I made Patti Labelle's Over the Rainbow Macaroni and cheese, so good but heart attack city with four kinds of cheese and two cups of half-and-half.

My sister, visiting me in Central Texas, got the best laugh of mac and cheese being listed on the menus under "vegetables." We still joke about that :)
 
  • #1,057
http://www.people.com/article/rachel-dolezal-black-woman-cover-blown-hate-crimes


Inside Story: How Rachel Dolezal's Cover as a Black Woman Was Blown







CF:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...el-dolezal-draws-ire-of-transracial-adoptees/



Further points of note that there were two keys to the post box and Rachel had one of them, and there was male DNA found in the letter.

OMG. Did you see that? Here is what Rachel wrote about moving to Idaho. Colleague at Howard supposedly told her she'd get lynched if she moved there. But she was white while in Howard University. She sued Howard University because she alleged discrimination against her for being white. Why would a colleague at Howard university tell her not to go to Idaho?

"My mind instantly tracked back to the parting words of a colleague at Howard University when we left Washington, D.C., en route to Idaho," she wrote on April 28, 2014. "'Don't go there; you'll get lynched!' "

http://www.people.com/article/rachel-dolezal-black-woman-cover-blown-hate-crimes
 
  • #1,058
Like most lying liars who lie, it seems RD can't keep her stories straight.

The more I read about her past that's being unearthed by journalists, the more she comes off as just a big stupid racist white lady. It makes me question the motives of her parents in adopting four African American children. Rachel didn't learn her racism in a vacuum, IMO.
 
  • #1,059
Sounds like after "transitioning" into a black woman, Rachel started making claims of various race motivated offenses made by various people known or unknown to her.

Her allegation against her brother in 1991 appear to be that of race motivated assault (because brother was turned on by black bodies and curious about black women generally). But she was white in 1991. But in 2013, when allegations were made, she was pretending to be black.
Is prosecution planning to call her to testify? I would really like to see her try to explain that.

"He told her he 'was turned on by the black body and was curious about black women generally', according to the court documents seen by Buzzfeed News."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nd-sexually-assaulting-her.html#ixzz3dci2eHXR
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  • #1,060
Like most lying liars who lie, it seems RD can't keep her stories straight.

The more I read about her past that's being unearthed by journalists, the more she comes off as just a big stupid racist white lady. It makes me question the motives of her parents in adopting four African American children. Rachel didn't learn her racism in a vacuum, IMO.


Nobody is born racist and nobody learns racism in a vacuum. That said, I don't think RD is a racist, just an opportunist without morals. Not sure how it makes sense to you that her parents might be racists because they adopted 4 black children?

From what I make of things, 2 of those 4 kids are fine with how they were raised, 1 became alienated perhaps in no small part after being coached by RD, and the 4th, the girl, was troubled from the get-go, pehaps for the very reason her adopted mother has mentioned, an attachment disorder.
 
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