WA WA - Concrete, Whtmale 30-50, UP13290, wrapped in sheets, medical leg hose, NSF labs gown, Oct'80

[sasha17]

On October 6, 1980, the body of an adult male, 5'4"-5'9" tall, 40-55 years old, with short, brown hair that was receding at the temples, was located in a shallow grave in an area that used to be known as Hurns Shake Mill at 52368 Concrete Sauk Valley Road, near Marblemount, in the eastern area of Skagit County. The remains were wrapped in bed sheets. The victim had no teeth but probably wore dentures. On the right side of his pelvis were 3 Trephine holes that may indicate that within the previous 10 years he had some sort of bone graft. He was also wearing medical type support hose. According to NamUs, a NSF labs gown was also found near his body. PMI was estimated to be 6 months. Because of healed damage to the victim's face, it is possible he may have been a boxer at some time. There is DNA on file.

Skagit County Cold Cases

UP13290 - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[theshadow45]

Marblemount John Doe has been unidentified for 39 years today.

 

[madamx]

Bumping

 

[Bethan]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

How odd. The presence of medical leg hose & NSF lab gowns nearby suggest he was taken from a hospital ( or had just been discharged) & killed.

Surprised he was not identified from this information.

I’m in the UK so can you enlighten me as to the meaning of initials NSF when describing the lab gowns?

Is it the abbreviation of a specific hospital or lab
OR
does it mean gowns certified by the National Science Foundation or National Sanitation Foundation ( so not specified to a particular area?)

 

[annpats]

I wonder if he was killed to save money on medical bills, or if it was some kind of mis-judged mercy killing?

Although the autopsy didn't state the man had any advanced disease or serious medical issues that he had or could have died from.

I wonder if a money, or a will, or property may have been involved.

With no proof of life or death, or a body someone who is just 'missing' will have to wait several years to officially be declared dead, hence it would make someone wait for a will or insurance to come through.

I wonder if this body was hidden to spite another family member?

Just some random thoughts.

MOO.

 

[madamx]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

How odd. The presence of medical leg hose & NSF lab gowns nearby suggest he was taken from a hospital ( or had just been discharged) & killed.

Surprised he was not identified from this information.

I’m in the UK so can you enlighten me as to the meaning of initials NSF when describing the lab gowns?

Is it the abbreviation of a specific hospital or lab
OR
does it mean gowns certified by the National Science Foundation or National Sanitation Foundation ( so not specified to a particular area?)

I was looking for NSF lab gown. I have not found anything.

 

[carbuff]

I wonder if he was killed to save money on medical bills, or if it was some kind of mis-judged mercy killing?

Although the autopsy didn't state the man had any advanced disease or serious medical issues that he had or could have died from.

I wonder if a money, or a will, or property may have been involved.

With no proof of life or death, or a body someone who is just 'missing' will have to wait several years to officially be declared dead, hence it would make someone wait for a will or insurance to come through.

I wonder if this body was hidden to spite another family member?

Just some random thoughts.

MOO.

More likely covering up the death so the survivors could go on collecting disability, pension, social security, or other support payments.

 

[annpats]

I was looking for NSF lab gown. I have not found anything.

Likewise!

I didn't really find anything in Washington State with those initials in the medical/surgical/psychiatric field.....or really any field at all.

 

[annpats]

However, there is a company called NSF based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

NSF International - Wikipedia

Here is an excerpt from their wiki page: "NSF operates more than 165,000 square feet (15,300 m2) of laboratory space and serves companies in more than 150 countries worldwide. Its 1,200-plus staff (located worldwide – inc. N & S America / Europe / Africa / Asia / Oceania) includes microbiologists, toxicologists, chemists, engineers, food safety specialists, environmental, food scientists and public health professionals."

 

[madamx]

However, there is a company called NSF based in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

NSF International - Wikipedia

Here is an excerpt from their wiki page: "NSF operates more than 165,000 square feet (15,300 m2) of laboratory space and serves companies in more than 150 countries worldwide. Its 1,200-plus staff (located worldwide – inc. N & S America / Europe / Africa / Asia / Oceania) includes microbiologists, toxicologists, chemists, engineers, food safety specialists, environmental, food scientists and public health professionals."

anapats oh that is interesting but now makes me think was this person used as a science experiment and the disposed of?

I wish there were photos of the lab gown and the tag

 

[annpats]

anapats oh that is interesting but now makes me think was this person used as a science experiment and the disposed of?

I like to think that would have shown up in the autopsy, but anything is possible.

 

[annpats]

I wish there were photos of the lab gown and the tag

Yes, me too. It's really bad that there aren't. Visual clues are so important, and it was a real oversight not providing these.

 

[carbuff]

anapats oh that is interesting but now makes me think was this person used as a science experiment and the disposed of?

I wish there were photos of the lab gown and the tag

More likely that either they or the murderer worked in a lab. Might have been a scientist or technician, or could have been custodial staff, administration, etc.

 

[Laughing]

Seems the NSF lab gown could be from the company cited above -- then called the National Sanitation Federation:

Mission and History | NSF International

or a lab coat from a National Science Foundation facility?

NSF - National Science Foundation

How close is Hanford???

Hanford Site - Wikipedia

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[annpats]

More likely that either they or the murderer worked in a lab. Might have been a scientist or technician, or could have been custodial staff, administration, etc.

Yeah, but isn't that too obvious?

And surely they wouldn't have been that careless to use a lab gown from their own place of work, would they?

 

[carbuff]

Yeah, but isn't that too obvious?

And surely they wouldn't have been that careless to use a lab gown from their own place of work, would they?

In real life, the obvious happens a lot more often than weird conspiracy theories. Though those do happen sometimes. It's worth looking at all the possibilities, but we shouldn't lose sight of the basics, either.

Without a picture of the lab gown, it's hard to say whether it was any risk. If they had individual items assigned to them, then it wouldn't be a good idea, but if it's just something they snagged from the common laundry or something, the risk would be pretty minimal. Even if it was traced back to the lab, it couldn't be tied to a particular person.

 

[Laughing]

And, companies change their logos then change everything with a logo!

Maybe this was a 1974 gown/coat discarded or donated or otherwise passed on?

A picture would be nice.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Goecke]

Here's his Doe Network page: 1841UMWA
NamUs didn't mention anything about his cause of death, but from his Doe page it's pretty obvious that he was murdered. GSW to the head, and he was buried.
It also says that he was probably still recovering from the bone graft surgery, as opposed to it happening any time within the past 10 years. Bone was taken out of his pelvis and grafted into his neck. The 'medical hose' were probably being worn to prevent blood clots- I had to wear compression socks after hip surgery for the same reason.

IMO, he may have been killed by someone who couldn't afford his medical bills, or someone (probably someone close to him) had some other motive and took advantage of his weakened state.

 

[bombardier]

I'm wondering if 'NSF' might be a typo or a niche acronym for faster data entry... the thing about the National Science Foundation is they specifically deal with non-medical fields of research (according to wikipedia) so I don't think they deal with patient/patients trials and wouldn't need medical gowns. Maybe its a logo-ed scrub top or long lab coat that they described badly?
95% chance I won't even get a reply but I'm going to send an email to Skagit County Coroner's office and see if they can provide any more information about this man/this mysterious gown.

 

[Laughing]

As mentioned above, the National Sanitation Federal is also an option.