WA WA - Concrete, Whtmale 30-50, UP13290, wrapped in sheets, medical leg hose, NSF labs gown, Oct'80

[bombardier]

As mentioned above, the National Sanitation Federal is also an option.

Wish I could find info from the 80s but I do know that NSF does have lab coats that bear the logo; again, could they mean coat rather than gown?

Another interesting thing is currently NSF does have a location nearby in Everett WA, but I feel like it wasn't present in the 80s. There is a history of the company posted online, which indicates that by 1987 they had locations in Michigan, Cali, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.

 

[carbuff]

Somebody probably already mentioned it, but his Doenetwork page (1841UMWA) doesn't mention a gown/lab coat.

 

[cherrymeg]

His medical procedures seem like they could help identify him. The NSF lab gown found near the body could be helpful. Does anyone know that is? Is it something a patient would wear or is it something used in surgery or as protective wear? Could the gunshot have been self inflicted and maybe family members needed money from a pension or disability IDK. This case seems like there are clues that should make it solvable.

 

[annemc2]

Would a local newspaper have an article about an accident that happened a few months before his death? Is anyone good with newspaper searches? Darrington is tiny tiny, so some kind of serious accident could have had a blurb. According to wikipedia:

With no local newspaper, events in Darrington are covered by Everett's daily newspaper, the Herald, a daily publication from Everett, and the weekly Arlington Times.

edit: Oops, didn't realize he was pretty much completely skeletonized, with estimated year of death 1979-1980. That makes a newspaper search way more difficult.

 

[carbuff]

Would a local newspaper have an article about an accident that happened a few months before his death? Is anyone good with newspaper searches? Darrington is tiny tiny, so some kind of serious accident could have had a blurb. According to wikipedia:

With no local newspaper, events in Darrington are covered by Everett's daily newspaper, the Herald, a daily publication from Everett, and the weekly Arlington Times.

edit: Oops, didn't realize he was pretty much completely skeletonized, with estimated year of death 1979-1980. That makes a newspaper search way more difficult.

It would be a lot of work, but that's a good idea.

 

[bombardier]

Would a local newspaper have an article about an accident that happened a few months before his death? Is anyone good with newspaper searches? Darrington is tiny tiny, so some kind of serious accident could have had a blurb. According to wikipedia:

With no local newspaper, events in Darrington are covered by Everett's daily newspaper, the Herald, a daily publication from Everett, and the weekly Arlington Times.

edit: Oops, didn't realize he was pretty much completely skeletonized, with estimated year of death 1979-1980. That makes a newspaper search way more difficult.

If it helps, his DoeNetwork page as linked above has Seattle Post Intelligencer News Archive and Skagit Valley Herald News Archive as sources... papers that reported about the body might have reported earlier about an accident.

 

[bombardier]

By the way, considering his orthopedic surgery, bone autographs from hip to cervical vertebrae are often done to provide bony stabilization to treat instability due to something like a fracture. Maybe he went through a MVA or smth like that. I wonder if they found evidence of a healing neck fracture?

 

[Laughing]

Newspaper archives in Washington:

Newspapers at the Washington State Library

Washington Digital Newspapers

 

[fred&edna]

Wish I could find info from the 80s but I do know that NSF does have lab coats that bear the logo; again, could they mean coat rather than gown?

Another interesting thing is currently NSF does have a location nearby in Everett WA, but I feel like it wasn't present in the 80s. There is a history of the company posted online, which indicates that by 1987 they had locations in Michigan, Cali, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.

I was doing some googling of NSF last night and found some info regarding biological tissue research/bioengineering. Particularly associated with Battelle Seattle Research Center in the early to mid 70's, as well as some research done at the University of Washington-Seattle. 'Just wondering if this man was part of some medical research trials.

The info regarding Battelle Seattle found here:
National Science Foundation (U.S.) | The Online Books Page

 

[bombardier]

Got a reply back from the Coroner's Office:
Unfortunately, cases this old have very limited information, so I am not sure that there are any further specifics available. During this period in time, the Sheriff’s Office was dealing with these type of cases and entering them into NamUs. I would suggest contacting the Skagit County Sheriff’s Department and ask to speak with Kay Walker, who is most knowledgeable on all unidentified cases. I am sorry that I cannot be of more help.
Hayley L. Thompson, D-ABMDI

Skagit County Coroner

If anyone wants to try to and call for more information, be my guest I stick to e-mails only!

 

[carbuff]

Skagit sheriff's office email: Contact

records department website: RECORDS

 

[Bethan]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

How odd. The presence of medical leg hose & NSF lab gowns nearby suggest he was taken from a hospital ( or had just been discharged) & killed.

Surprised he was not identified from this information.

I’m in the UK so can you enlighten me as to the meaning of initials NSF when describing the lab gowns?

Is it the abbreviation of a specific hospital or lab
OR
does it mean gowns certified by the National Science Foundation or National Sanitation Foundation ( so not specified to a particular area?)

Quoting/highlighting my post above where I asked the question re the acronym NSF ( being from the UK & not finding a clear answer via Google)

I do think that perhaps the NSF marking on the gowns nearby probably refers to a marking to indicate the item had been certified by the NSF as complying with ‘medical grade’ standards.

In the UK we have the KITEMARK, a service quality trademark issued by the British Standards Institution.

Kitemark - Google Search

I was really just asking to see if any of you were familiar with the system in USA. Personally I think it probably is the National Sanitation Federation, as @Laughing also has mentioned.

If so, this is not ‘location specific’ & therefore a red-herring.

Also we don’t know if the gowns nearby have anything to do with the UID, as you point out.

( Agree, the ‘medical hose’ will refer to anti-embolism compression stockings, worn during hospitalisation & after discharge until patient’s mobility returns)

The gunshot wound to the head, being mentioned on the Doe Network but not NamUs is strange & I initially missed the fact it is most likely a homicide!

 

[carbuff]

Good point. I hadn't thought of a certification mark, but that would certainly make sense.

 

[summergirl1]

This is certainly a mysterious case. Genetic genealogy may be all that would solve it.

 

[carbuff]

Afterthought: when we're trying to identify people like this, I tend to not think of red herrings the same way as I would if I was trying to solve the case. Even the most unlikely possibility could turn into the thread that leads to the heart of the maze. I don't see how we can follow the NSF tag any further, but I think it's good that we looked at it and I'm glad so many people are still interested in this poor guy.

 

[bombardier]

Afterthought: when we're trying to identify people like this, I tend to not think of red herrings the same way as I would if I was trying to solve the case. Even the most unlikely possibility could turn into the thread that leads to the heart of the maze. I don't see how we can follow the NSF tag any further, but I think it's good that we looked at it and I'm glad so many people are still interested in this poor guy.

so true and with cases as old as this, anything helps, even if it's just reminding law enforcement/medical examiners about this cold case.

 

[MadMcGoo]

If it helps, his DoeNetwork page as linked above has Seattle Post Intelligencer News Archive and Skagit Valley Herald News Archive as sources... papers that reported about the body might have reported earlier about an accident.

No luck on newspapers.com. Neither of those papers are on the site and I’ve exhausted all the keyword searches I know to perform.

 

[Laughing]

Newspaper archives in Washington:

Newspapers at the Washington State Library

Washington Digital Newspapers

How about trying for newspaper articles by date?

Missing people in the weeks before?

Hospital reports in the weeks before? All right, you all know I'm wordy. Around this time we lived in a town with a local paper. That paper reported many, many happenings around town, church reports, school reports, business reports. Page 2 had births and hospital dismissals and ambulance reports -- "Marcus Aurelius was brought to the Emergency Room by the Next-County-Over Ambulance (Cleopatra Funeral Home) with a sword injury." sort of thing with that much information, also things like "5 people brought to the Emergency Department following a two-vehicle accident on Hiway C south of town." and since this was an agricultural area, you'd see "Fred Flintstone, from his own farm by Sheriff's Department to the Emergency Room, tractor PTO."

The arrest reports (including things like "held over night and released upon becoming sober") for the town PD and the Sheriff's Department were on Page 4. So when folks parted in public, you didn't say 'good by, ' you said "Don't let me see you on Page 4!"

IF a local paper ran this gentleman's hospital dismissal, we might be able to match him to a missing person???

If a case doesn't have enough dots to connect -- I may create a few.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[MadMcGoo]

So, what type of accident would require a graft of this nature? Car accident? Or could it be some sort of naturally occurring disease/disfigurement?

I may need to give @Laughing access to my newspaper account.

 

[Laughing]

So, what type of accident would require a graft of this nature? Car accident? Or could it be some sort of naturally occurring disease/disfigurement?

I may need to give @Laughing access to my newspaper account.

Lemme try to send that Bat Signal to some medical professionals -- maybe someone has orthopedic experience?

I'd figured a car accident, but a bad fall -- off a ladder, catwalk, maybe a tall horse could cause neck damage?

@meanmaryjean , @LaborDayRN , @BeginnerSleuther , we're looking for your opinion on what sort of injury leads to this kind of bone graft, or did in 1980???

On the right side of his pelvis were 3 Trephine holes that may indicate that within the previous 10 years he had some sort of bone graft.

We used to have an anesthesiologist, KZsomething, and a physical therapist on the Missy Beavers thread....

jmho ymmv lrr