WA WA - D.B. Cooper hijacking mystery, 24 Nov 1971 - #1

[leftcoast]

Here are quotes from H-bach's book which directly contradict his statement about Cooper

pg 100 "But, all that is why a good investigator checks out all leads, even when they seem ridiculous. He never knows when the right tip might come"

pg 33 FBi agents had their first lead in the case: a name and a description. Dan Cooper, age 30-55, about 5 foot 10 inches with an athletic build, dark hair, dark eyes,

pg 34 Dennis Lysne, who sold Cooper his ticket was tracked to his home at 7pm. Lysne began thinking of the persons to whom he had sold tickets that day, but none struck him as unusual. when he made contact with AGent gough, he remembered the name "dan Cooper" and associated it with a middle-aged man in a business suit. Other than that , Lysne remembered little else ( inconsistent with what H-bach said on KOIN)

page 125 Frank Heyl states "I think Cooper had some flight training, maybe a private or commercial pilot, I think he could have bailed out within five miles of a predetermined area. Anyone with military jump training can plan the jump by time, distance, and route.

he goes on " Suppose he was not a parachucist, but a man in average to good condition for a man in his late 30's to 40's" Suppose he was an ex-con, who was desperate and saw this caper as his last chance to make a big score."

These items are all in H-bach's book. Note late 30's to 40's, and the ticket agent could hardly remember Cooper.

And he is going to go on KOIN and fudge the truth about Cooper being 48, exactly 5'10-6ft, etc.

I have lost a lot of respect for h=bach.

Are we trying to solve this case, or keep one's reputation in tact?


Im my opinion, H-bach is purposely fudging cooper's height and age to make it seem like Mayfield was not even a possible suspect. Obviously, at least a dozen people in Portland differed with his opinion.

Tell me, Why would it hurt, and how much would it cost to simply verify Mayfield's alibi for the hours of 2-10pm? why spend 2 million dollars, and not investigate the most logical suspect? I give up and have lost respect for many individuals associated with this case.

left

 

[lorann]

Left, as soon as you can, please let us know where and what time your story will be national. Most people watch their favorite station and might miss it.

Too bad about H-bach, sounds like he did a bad job at the time and after all of these years even contradicts his own book. But just tell him, now it is not about him, now it is about the story of two guys who solved a crime. Now it is about a disgusting man who pulled off the crime - that's where the focus is. So glad you taped each and every conversation and from the sounds of your descriptions of how people feel about him, they should be saying :waitasec: he is just the type to do this.

Time has not run out for conviction in this case but also what about all of the other stuff he has gotten away with? He can't clean any of that up by trying to be the poor victem.

 

[leftcoast]

Left, as soon as you can, please let us know where and what time your story will be national. Most people watch their favorite station and might miss it.

Too bad about H-bach, sounds like he did a bad job at the time and after all of these years even contradicts his own book. But just tell him, now it is not about him, now it is about the story of two guys who solved a crime. Now it is about a disgusting man who pulled off the crime - that's where the focus is. So glad you taped each and every conversation and from the sounds of your descriptions of how people feel about him, they should be saying :waitasec: he is just the type to do this.

Time has not run out for conviction in this case but also what about all of the other stuff he has gotten away with? He can't clean any of that up by trying to be the poor victem.

Thanks Lorann

you guys here have been so supportive

Last nights show really bugged me. H-bach will never admit he made a mistake by not investigating Mayfield. And on top of it, he is stretching the truth to make our guy look innocent so that he isn't embarassed.

Quite frankly, I'm appalled. I've been around police work all my life with immediate family members, have discussed the case with retired FBi agents, private investigators,etc. and everyone of them admitted H-bach should have investigated Mayfield.

And to see him on the news, as if we are the idiots. No, we didnt' let a convicted felon "ASSIST" us on a case where he is the "best suspect" out there.

Since the cat is out of the bag, we did a piece last night for national tv. I;; tell more later today.

I don't know if it will air, but, supposedly tonight or tomorrow.

It was very upsetting to hear that Mayfield accused us of lying, and asking him to lie and say he was "cooper' to sell books.

First of all, there isn't a book deal, it was just a way to get him to talk. As a matter of fact, we have told everyone on this thread about our progress, and how we have gone about getting interviews with him.

Second, we recorded every conservation with the five time convicted felon, and it will be proven we never said that, and that he used
"Cooper" if the first person, saying "I"

left

I thought H-bach would admit he made a mistake, but, I am ashamed he will not be man enough to admit he should have investigated Mayfield. Guess I was wrong about mankind.

 

[leftcoast]

for the record, when you see last nights piece on KOIN

The mean age given for Cooper is not 48. I don't know what math school h-bach went to, but without interviewing the flight attendants, I don't know how he came up with this number.

Plus, the FBI uses a range, 40-50, and even they admit they don't know anything about the guy, other than estimates about his height,weight, and age.

There are only two main witnesses, Florence Scaffner and Tina Mucklow. Florence told us he was 40.

I am disgusted.

Now you know why people don't want to help law enforcement. And why this case is unsolved. TUNNEL VISION,

left

 

[AlwaysShocked]

left: The FBI is famous for not admitting their mistakes! I read a biography of J. Edgar Hoover and it went into detail about how the FBI operated under his dictatorial type of directorship. This agent would have "come up under Hoover". He will never admit a mistake!

In the meanwhile, consider that Mayfield's lie that you asked him to lie about this in order to write a book is the final confirmation that he is, indeed, the culprit. Because if he wasn't, he would have had no need to tell that lie, now would he?

So if you were 99.9% sure he is the culprit, now you can be 100% sure based on his current actions.

Hopefully, some young FBI cold-case investigator will become interested in the case due to this story and will perform a thorough review of the FBI files on the case.

 

[leftcoast]

left: The FBI is famous for not admitting their mistakes! I read a biography of J. Edgar Hoover and it went into detail about how the FBI operated under his dictatorial type of directorship. This agent would have "come up under Hoover". He will never admit a mistake!

In the meanwhile, consider that Mayfield's lie that you asked him to lie about this in order to write a book is the final confirmation that he is, indeed, the culprit. Because if he wasn't, he would have had no need to tell that lie, now would he?

So if you were 99.9% sure he is the culprit, now you can be 100% sure based on his current actions.

Hopefully, some young FBI cold-case investigator will become interested in the case due to this story and will perform a thorough review of the FBI files on the case.

Thanks A.S. I agree

I think that generation of agents were told not to admit mistakes.

I think we have much better agents today.

Funny thing is, if you go to the FBI website, they admit that many think McCoy is Cooper. AS you know, McCoy was only 29 years old. So, does H-bach think all of these people are idiots too?

Let's look at this logically, what is the most logical answer to this crime?

In my mind, they eliminated the wrong person. Of course, I am biased, but, I do have 35 years of no "body" found in the dropzone, and skydivers saying the jump was a "piece of cake", including Mayfield.

thanks everyone for the support

left

For the record, at our lunch with H-bach in 2001, we had a friends of H-bachs who is a retired FBI agent at the lunch. He pulled us aside after the lunch, and told us that "h-bach should have investigated this guy", and that he was guilty of tunnel vision. Now, how many cops will admit this about a brother cop?

 

[Mountaineer]

Left - don't get discouraged, you have done a great job! I agree that H-bach will probably never admit to making a mistake - especially with such a well known case.

Eyewitness accounts are hardly 100% reliable. I think it was Dateline that just did a special on crimes and eyewitness descriptions of the suspect - and it showed they were almost all wrong. They had a classroom set up with a bunch of college aged kids in it - and a man walked in and took something off the professors desk and ran out. They immediately asked everyone in the room to describe him. The different accounts were unbelievable! And they knew it was a staged scene. I can only imagine how inaccurate they were on that flight - when it was a high stress situation. For that matter, it could have been an 80 year old woman using a walker - and you would still get so many different accounts of what the suspect looked like.

Plus, people age differently. When I was in my mid 20's, people always thought I was in my 30's (sad to admit that). Now that I'm 34 - people think I look younger. Noone can ever guess my age accurately. We are all human - and not foolproof.

I say anyone who dismisses Ted because he's not the right age - just doesn't want this case solved.

 

[leftcoast]

Left - don't get discouraged, you have done a great job! I agree that H-bach will probably never admit to making a mistake - especially with such a well known case.

Eyewitness accounts are hardly 100% reliable. I think it was Dateline that just did a special on crimes and eyewitness descriptions of the suspect - and it showed they were almost all wrong. They had a classroom set up with a bunch of college aged kids in it - and a man walked in and took something off the professors desk and ran out. They immediately asked everyone in the room to describe him. The different accounts were unbelievable! And they knew it was a staged scene. I can only imagine how inaccurate they were on that flight - when it was a high stress situation. For that matter, it could have been an 80 year old woman using a walker - and you would still get so many different accounts of what the suspect looked like.

Plus, people age differently. When I was in my mid 20's, people always thought I was in my 30's (sad to admit that). Now that I'm 34 - people think I look younger. Noone can ever guess my age accurately. We are all human - and not foolproof.

I say anyone who dismisses Ted because he's not the right age - just doesn't want this case solved.

Thanks Mountianeer

I totally agree with you, and thanks for the support.

I have lost SO much respect for Himmelsbach. I can't tell you how much.

When he goes on tv, and tells people Cooper was exactly 46 or 47, who are the people going to believe, us or a retired FBI agent?

I can't believe someone puts their own pride ahead of getting a dangerous fugitive off the streets.

You are right about age, it is very difficult to guage. And it seems the further away somebody is from your age, the more difficult. At age 22, some old man who is gray is going to appear to be old.

As for H-bach, he is a "mini-celebrity" in Portland for "not solving " this case. He even let me buy him lunch.

thanks for all the support,

left

 

[leftcoast]

In H-bach's book, he said the following

"I wonder if Cooper was wearing a disguise"

No, the sunglasses were because it was raining out, and the darkness bothered his eyes.

Not to mention the witnesses told the FBi agents who listened that cooper had worn either a wig or had dyed his hair since it was "shiny" black.


left

 

[leftcoast]

If you've told us I can't find it, so please forgive me...how old is Mayfield today?

born september 5, 1935. He is 71.

He was 36 on the date of the hijacking.

left

 

[leftcoast]

That sure seems reasonable.

What does Adnoid?

left

 

[Mountaineer]

Someone committing a crime with many witnesses - wearing a disguise?? :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec: Makes no sense to me.

Next time you see H-Bach - could you :slap: for us please?

 

[Mountaineer]

And Left - I would hope that people are smart enough to figure out that the FBI can't say exactly how old he was....it's virtually impossible unless they know who he was. That's the case with any crime - age is never a definite.

 

[leftcoast]

Someone committing a crime with many witnesses - wearing a disguise?? :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec: Makes no sense to me.

Next time you see H-Bach - could you :slap: for us please?

Will do. And I'll ask him to reimburse taxpayers for the 2 million dollars he wasted in taxpayer money.

It's funny, but, when we tell this story to everyone, they laugh. They all think the fBI agent was in on the heist, and is covering for Cooper. While we have considered this, I think he is just not a "rocket scientist".

left

 

[leftcoast]

The ACTUAL age of Mayfield vs. the age estimates on Cooper in 1971.

thanks, I agree

You wouldn't expect a 50 year old man to commit such an act. It is a young man's sport, and at 36, he was actually considered an "old timer" at the time.

left

 

[Jodibug]

hang in there, left. you have a lot of supporters here.

 

[leftcoast]

And Left - I would hope that people are smart enough to figure out that the FBI can't say exactly how old he was....it's virtually impossible unless they know who he was. That's the case with any crime - age is never a definite.

Thanks, Agree

Look at Lee Harvey Oswald. He looked like he was 30 something. But, no, he was only 24 when the coward shot Kennedy. He was simply bald, just like Teddy.

Another thing, those who have duplicted Cooper;s crime have all worn disguises, used makeup, drawn pencil lines to alter their age. Every single person.

How can anyone be so closed-minded?

left

 

[leftcoast]

hang in there, left. you have a lot of supporters here.

thanks

Now you know what we have been up against.

Everyone knows how good the FBI is today, comparatively.

Well, it drives H-bach nuts. But, the current FBI does not allow him to get updates on this case, nor have any input whatsoever. Now that he is retired, he is just like any other citizen. DRives him nuts.

Why? Because even in his retirement, he thinks he owns the case. No, it is an FBI case, it was just assigned to him because he was a pilot.

Funny thing is. IF h-bach never got Teddy kicked out of the Aurora airport, I don't think the DB Cooper would have ever happened.
left

 

[Tranaice]

Personally, I think H-bach will never admit to it because Mayfield/Cooper made a fool out of him, a laughingstock. Mayfield wanted to get back at H-bach and the FAA for throwing him out of the airport, thus, that is the reason I think Cooper wanted to pull this off where he did, and to make sure that H-bach would be the investigating officer. That way he killed two birds with one stone, he pulled off the greatest hi-jack ever and netted lots of money and he got back at them for throwing him out. He did what he set out to do. Of course, this is just my opinion. (I know what I am trying to say, but did this post make any sense to anyone else?) lol

left, you and your friend should be proud of yourselves. You've done a fantastic job on this and it's definitely kept a lot of us on the edge of our seats waiting for the outcome.

 

[leftcoast]

Personally, I think H-bach will never admit to it because Mayfield/Cooper made a fool out of him, a laughingstock. Mayfield wanted to get back at H-bach and the FAA for throwing him out of the airport, thus, that is the reason I think Cooper wanted to pull this off where he did, and to make sure that H-bach would be the investigating officer. That way he killed two birds with one stone, he pulled off the greatest hi-jack ever and netted lots of money and he got back at them for throwing him out. He did what he set out to do. Of course, this is just my opinion. (I know what I am trying to say, but did this post make any sense to anyone else?) lol

left, you and your friend should be proud of yourselves. You've done a fantastic job on this and it's definitely kept a lot of us on the edge of our seats waiting for the outcome.

Thanks

NO, you hit the nail on the head. I understood and agree with everything you said.

I agree 100% with what you said. He wanted revenge, money, and it cost the FBI millions to investigate, and he got back at his enemy.

Thanks for the compliment

I stand behind everything we have stated, and I believe there is a 99.9% chance we got the right guy.

thanks

left