WA WA - D.B. Cooper hijacking mystery, 24 Nov 1971 - #1

[leftcoast]

so, correct me if I'm wrong, as I've only scanned the last couple of pages - but there SHOULD be 'something' on D.B. Cooper on Inside Edition TODAY??? On the Pacific coast it starts at 4pm here... In the Sacramento area, I should say. I hope you are right, as I'm going to be leaving work early to catch this show!! :dance:

and Leftcoast - I will 'watch' my mail for those tapes on the show. My Huz is also getting 'into' this case... and VERY interested on what the show was about up there! Thanks again!!

It is suppose to be on tonight. But, I don't run inside edition. So, I can't say for sure.

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[leftcoast]

so, correct me if I'm wrong, as I've only scanned the last couple of pages - but there SHOULD be 'something' on D.B. Cooper on Inside Edition TODAY??? On the Pacific coast it starts at 4pm here... In the Sacramento area, I should say. I hope you are right, as I'm going to be leaving work early to catch this show!! :dance:

and Leftcoast - I will 'watch' my mail for those tapes on the show. My Huz is also getting 'into' this case... and VERY interested on what the show was about up there! Thanks again!!

I mailed your tape today. you should get it Tuesday.

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[leftcoast]

I'm starting to understand why OJ was acquitted.

the following people have sent me notes

One woman" "I dated him in 1968-70, and he would never commit such an act". Gary Ridgeway's wife said the same thing. PLus, does she know he committed armed robbery in 1971? Did he actually have a job back then?

ONe man wrote- " I knew him, and I don't think he smoked," Hmm, neither did Gary Rigeway, but he was smart enough to leave cigarette butts at the scene of his crimes.. Isn't saying I didn't know someone smoked, kind of like saying I can't believe so and so "did drugs", never.

So, in other words, if someone robs a bank, but is smoking during the bank robbers, anyone who is a non-smoker is automatically excluded? come on, people, use your brains.

One other person said

It is duane Weber, he confessed. So, did about 100 other people since 1971. Plus, Florence said it wasn't him. Flat out.

Another person said" he doesnt' look like the sketch", Florence told us that Cooper didn't look like the sketch at all. Florence made a new sketch in 1988, which KOIN failed to show. It shows a muscular man, with a big neck, long nose, receeding hairline, Plus, florence said he was about 40.

(if you look at the first show, the sketch Florence made is on the table in front of us. You can see it clearly.)

Another person wrote "ya, I called the FBI back in 1971, and they never took the time to call me back".. Go figure. Makes sense to me.


This week taught me a lot. People are proud, and they will never admit to a mistake, especially if that mistake is public.

Why H-bach never realized is that the 12 or so people who called in on our suspect, had a reason to suspect him. why not call them back?

the FBI agents in Seattle suspected EC, the rigger, for years. EC was only 29 or so, he is shorter than our suspect, and they know EC was on the ground while the hijacker was on the plane. Seems like the Seattle office did a good job, and should have run the investigation.


I don't get it. How can you base a height estimate on someone who sold a ticket to a man at 2pm, one of 100 tickets and customers that day, and use his estimate of height, to determine the hijacker. Insane.

Plus, the official FBI description is 40-50, olive skin, drank, high forehead, bad dresser, supposedly he wore socks that didnt match his suit. Also, wore sunglasses.

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[Kgram]

With this being quiet, I am wondering if stuff is going on? I tried a couple of newspapers to see if the case was even mentioned - but not sure what paper would be most likely to report on it.

Had my VCR all set last night to tape ET, so will do the same tonight.

Hope things are moving along on a positive note.

There must be a new buzz about this case because I started reading this thread from the beginning late last week. And suddenly there is some lady on the news saying her deceased husband told her he was D.B. Cooper before he died. I thought they said he lived in FL. I think it was a local tampa station but it could have been a cable news station. Left, have you had any other national exposure about your findings?

 

[Old Dominion]

There must be a new buzz about this case because I started reading this thread from the beginning late last week. And suddenly there is some lady on the news saying her deceased husband told her he was D.B. Cooper before he died. I thought they said he lived in FL. I think it was a local tampa station but it could have been a cable news station. Left, have you had any other national exposure about your findings?

You are probably referring to Jo Weber who claims that her late husband Duane Weber confessed to being Cooper on his death bed. There was a segment on this on the Discovery channel.

The problem with this is that there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence that Duane was Cooper. Not one iota. The only link he has to the case is his widow's story about her husband's deathbed confession, and more stories without any evidence. Duane Weber had absolutely no sky diving or piloting skills and therefore could not have pulled this heist off. If I'm not mistaken Duane could be placed in Atlanta at the time of the skyjacking, and may even have been incarcerated at the time.

Dominion

 

[leftcoast]

Dominion is right.

Yes, there is no proof that Duane Weber was Cooper

As a matter of fact, when I showed a picture of Weber to Florence Schaffner, she said he was not Cooper.

Does anybody have any idea how many deathbed confessions have been made, people claiming to be Cooper? I think it is 100 or so.

As for national tv, we have only done Inside Edition.

We are both very difficult to find, so, if anyone does try to find us for an interview, they will have difficulty, which I guess is good and bad.

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[scandi]

You are probably referring to Jo Weber who claims that her late husband Duane Weber confessed to being Cooper on his death bed. There was a segment on this on the Discovery channel.

The problem with this is that there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence that Duane was Cooper. Not one iota. The only link he has to the case is his widow's story about her husband's deathbed confession, and more stories without any evidence. Duane Weber had absolutely no sky diving or piloting skills and therefore could not have pulled this heist off. If I'm not mistaken Duane could be placed in Atlanta at the time of the skyjacking, and may even have been incarcerated at the time.Dominion

Thanks Old Dominion for that post, and nice to meet you! I was thinking of explaining that to Kgram, but thank goodness you came along because you had all the facts.

We must have hit a glitch with IE because I watched it all the way through tonight and not a word about DB. Left had warned us they might not run it.

I don't know how much power a concerned citizen really has in helping justice along its way. So much has been learned and brought into the public eye about the case this week. And it seems the investigation was skeered from the start by a clever criminal taking advantage of a big FBIman's ego.

I guess the next thing I will do is study up on this case for all the details and get on Lars Larsons case. He is a good friend of my Republican sister { she does have her good points too ;}. The first thing would be to settle the fact that he never opens his mind to anything else once it is made up. Who wants to learn anything from a person like that!~ Craaaaaazy man, like Dr John would say! Gee, now I'm thinking if Lars is that closed minded, why even bother with him. He's evidently not a mover and a shaker at all! Scandi

 

[leftcoast]

Thanks Old Dominion for that post, and nice to meet you! I was thinking of explaining that to Kgram, but thank goodness you came along because you had all the facts.

We must have hit a glitch with IE because I watched it all the way through tonight and not a word about DB. Left had warned us they might not run it.

I don't know how much power a concerned citizen really has in helping justice along its way. So much has been learned and brought into the public eye about the case this week. And it seems the investigation was skeered from the start by a clever criminal taking advantage of a big FBIman's ego.

I guess the next thing I will do is study up on this case for all the details and get on Lars Larsons case. He is a good friend of my Republican sister { she does have her good points too ;}. The first thing would be to settle the fact that he never opens his mind to anything else once it is made up. Who wants to learn anything from a person like that!~ Craaaaaazy man, like Dr John would say! Gee, now I'm thinking if Lars is that closed minded, why even bother with him. He's evidently not a mover and a shaker at all! Scandi

Hi Scandi

Actually, I have been arguing with Lars Larson all week via email. He is set in his mind that DB Cooper was Richard Floyd mcCoy.

Funny, huh. Lars Larson thinks Cooper is McCoy. Richard MCcoy was only 29 years old, had blue eyes, and was thin. Not to mention that he was a Mormon from Utah, who wouldn't probably know the geography of Washington like Cooper did.

So, I thought I would warn you. Lars is set in his ways, just like H-bach.

Well, either Lars Larson is wrong, H-bach is wrong, or both. I guess that is what makes the world go around.

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[Old Dominion]

So, I thought I would warn you. Lars is set in his ways, just like H-bach.

Well, either Lars Larson is wrong, H-bach is wrong, or both. I guess that is what makes the world go around.

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LC,

Does that sound like anyone you remember (don't mention any monikers here)??

Once you look into the McCoy case there is absolutely no chance IMHO that he his Cooper. He was just another copycat but was only too stupid to tell his aspiring state trooper friend about his heist. He was soon caught ...red handed.

Even the (supposed) evidence in Calame's own book works against McCoy being Cooper. It was a carefully crafted book that cherry picked evidence to make a case by a detective that w/o a connection to Cooper couldn't have written a book w/ enough public appeal to sell. It hasn't sold well to date.

Dominion

 

[leftcoast]

I agree, it would be "awesome" to solve this case.

Arguing with Lars Larson was trying to explain to a two year old why they can't play in the freeway.

Lars claims that McCoy (who was only 29) has gas receipts that places him in Vegas on the 24th.

I told lars, and the point is. Place mcCoy in Portland. Place McCoy on flight 305, and how in the world did McCoy get back to Utah?

No, McCoy was a copycat, and a bad one at that.

Not to mention that Florence Schaffner said Cooper was not McCoy. Lars had no response to that. Hmm.

It's funny, when people make up their mind like h-bach and Lars, they will NEVER change their minds.

that is why this case is unsolved


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[scandi]

I'm thinking after all that arguing with Lars to satisfy his ego isn't worth the powder to blow anything out of existance.

I wish I knew if there is one agent in charge of this case, or how they work that. I'm hoping the Portland Triubune will write an article about this case.
They did such a marvelous job on that U of Portland student that was murdered in her dorm, in fact think it might have helped solve that case.

Old Dominion, you sound like a most interesting poster that comes here with a good background in the case. What do you think about where we go from here in solving this case? What are your ideas about the FBI. What motivates them?

 

[leftcoast]

The Portland Tribune was also huge in solving the girls from Oregon City. I remember when they interviewed Ward Weaver, and he said he was the number one suspect, and that he was innocent.

Right away, I knew Weaver was a good suspect. Weaver went to the media, to explain why he is innocent. That is usually the sign of a guilty person. anyway, we all know it took the FBI forever to dig up Ward's new cement back porch and those two poor young girls.

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[Mountaineer]

The Today show on NBC this morning did a report on Whatever Happened to......and today's show was DB Cooper. They interviewed a couple of people, showed parts of a transcript from the press conference after it happened. Everyone they interviewed was of the mind that he didn't survive.

The show is on from 7-9 CST here, and the segment aired at around 8:15am. Just a heads up for those on the West Coast - maybe you can catch it.

 

[leftcoast]

thanks Mountianeer, but I missed it. I wonder if they saw the story over the wires, or is it just a coincidence.

Anyway, as we have discussed here, most people do think he died. which, is a logical conclusion, for the following reasons.

FBI didn't catch him
h-bach mislead the public into thinking he jumped into the middle of a forest
H-bach misled people into thinking he had 100% proof the money was never spent, etc.

However, if we got one thing out of the KOIn series, it is that the jump was a piece of cake for an experienced diver. Even the police officer chasing Cooper in the video admitted the jump was not difficult.

H-bach actually thinks Cooper was not an experienced diver. no kidding.

Plus, the money being found on the Columbia river, no where near the jump site, makes it almost impossible to think he died. Plus, where was the other 194,000 dollars, the body, the chutes, the money bag, the briefcase,

thanks for the heads up

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Hmm Wasn't that money found buried on the Columbia river bank, the same Columbia river where a certain individual lived in a houseboat. Hmm, no, just a coincidence.

 

[macksol]

Hello everyone. I have been reading with great interest this thread. I have always believed that he made it, I just couldn't figure out why nobody ever found him. I truly believe you wise people here did. I have never posted here before, so excuse me if I am overstepping, but as I see it you have pretty overwhelming evidence, you just need someone to get all the info out there and shake people up. Has any one every thought trying to get in contact with Mark Furhman? He seems to like cases that others have deemed unsolvable. I mean he got hold of the murder of Martha Moxley and now Michael Skakel is in prison, all these years later! Just a thought.

 

[leftcoast]

Hello everyone. I have been reading with great interest this thread. I have always believed that he made it, I just couldn't figure out why nobody ever found him. I truly believe you wise people here did. I have never posted here before, so excuse me if I am overstepping, but as I see it you have pretty overwhelming evidence, you just need someone to get all the info out there and shake people up. Has any one every thought trying to get in contact with Mark Furhman? He seems to like cases that others have deemed unsolvable. I mean he got hold of the murder of Martha Moxley and now Michael Skakel is in prison, all these years later! Just a thought.

Maksol you are a genius.

My buddy and I have actually considered calling Mark Fuhrman for years. AS you know, he lives in the northwest, and does a radio show.

You are right, he actually solved the Martha Moxley case, and you know what, the local police would not assist Fuhrman with the investigation.

The local police actually tried to prevent Fuhrman from getting information about the Moxley case. All along, Mrs. Moxley always suspected Skakel, but the detective assigned to the case had the blinders on. He thought Skakel has an airtight alibi, but Fuhrman proved his alibi was not valid.

thanks for your entry.

there are a lot of parallels in these two cases.

I appreciate your support, and yes, we are more convinced than ever. It is a shame this case was not reassigned to another agent back in 1972. It is so obvious.

thanks

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ps If anybody wants to email any shows, such as Fuhrman's on our behalf, we would more than happy to discuss the case with anyone. We have nothing to hide, and the truth is the truth. Thanks.

 

[Old Dominion]

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Old Dominion, you sound like a most interesting poster that comes here with a good background in the case. What do you think about where we go from here in solving this case? What are your ideas about the FBI. What motivates them?

Scandi, that depends on what anyone's definition of "solved" is. You can get a jury to convict someone, but to many who don't agree the case is unsolved.

WRT Cooper, I think that Left has got him. I know what a meticulous job of investigation he has done some 30 years after the fact. I know this because I have put LCoast through the ringer of litmus a year ago when the name hadn't even been released. I did this because I wanted to test every aspect of the suspect against what I knew about Cooper and the heist. I was not looking to discredit his suspect but rather to be sure in my own mind that there was not something overlooked. It stands.

Now after having watched the videos of Mayfield and seeing his personality and mannerisms I'm even more convinced. He is not perfect and even slipped and used "I" to refer to Cooper in one of L.C.'s interviews.

So to answer your question, where DO we go from here? That really is up to LC and how he and his partner handle this. I personally don't think that even more exposure would hurt. I was disappointed that IE didn't air his segment. I had hoped that because they are a para-tabloid show they would be much less law suit weary than the Koin or any other local affiliate. This would allow them to air more of the facts and not try to play "safe". I'm confident it will be aired when they're ready unless LC has any other info on this.

As for the FBI, I'm not sure what to say. Would they re-open the case? One can only hope, since they have cases (or files I should say) on a lot of people they want to keep an eye on that will never be indicted. The problem is that after 30 years much of the hard-cold evidence has vaporized. I've said it before, but the real investigation for the FBI could be the Himmelsbach investigation. It is just unimaginable that any investigator, AN FBI agent no less, could be that incompetent. I believe that something is going on here.

Dominion

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

Scandi, I have now got my DH interested which is hard to do!!!!
Leftcoast, I don't have all the information about how the heist was done, but I recall that the Flight attendant was handed a note by Cooper. Was he wearing gloves? What happened to the note? Surely since he had a criminal history Mayfield's prints if not DNA could be matched? I'm just throwing this out if it was ever done? I don't have a big ego so if its stupid , just say so!:crazy:

 

[lorann]

Left, I was going to send a letter to Mark but I think it should come from you. You can give him a quick rundown on the many years of investigating, refer him to the KOIN videos, and ask him to contact you. You don't want too much personal info on any message board. I would just refer this website to him but it has grown so long, I'm not sure he would read it.

Any suggestions from your media contacts through your different interviews would be helpful. All I could find was:

Mark Fuhrman

c/o Author mail, 7th Floor

HarperCollins Publishers

10 East 53rd Street

New York, NY

USA 10022

They say they do pass along all mail received.

 

[leftcoast]

WRT Cooper, I think that Left has got him. I know what a meticulous job of investigation he has done some 30 years after the fact.

AN FBI agent no less, could be that incompetent. I believe that something is going on here.

Dominion

Amen.

I have a hard time believing that FBI protocol is for an agent to sit in this office and eliminate people as suspects simply because they are too young, too old, too short, too tall, etc.

FBI agents are taught much, but the most important thing is the following

WHERE WAS TED MAYFIELD BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 2PM AND 10PM ON THE NIGHT OF NOVEMBER 24, 1971".

35 years later, we still don't know, the case is unsolved, and we are all out 2 million dollars.

Himmelsbach NEVER asked Mayfield where he was during the hijacking, where he lived, what he did for a living, or that his leased plane was being repossessed. In his defense, H-bach does know about the armed robbery and stealing an airplane done by Mayfield. Somehow, H-bach doesn't see a pattern of Mayfield stealing. Do YOU?

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