GUILTY WA - Fifth-grade boys' plot to kill classmate thwarted, Colville, Feb 2013

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Parents, that's all I blame is parents. I have friends with teenage boys and they play games and watch movies and TV and they aren't like that. It's my belief that it's weak parenting. JMO

We have a family that lives kitty corner from us, the mother is obnoxious, never knows where the kids are, always defends them when they get into trouble, lies for them, the father is in prison, the oldest boy just got out of prison.. The youngest boy who is about 6 or 7 I swear is possessed by the devil if not the devil himself. The neighbour directly across from us saw the youngest boy aiming a pellet rifle at the front window of our master bedroom where my dw was sleeping one day and ran him off.

If there was a gun around to be stolen this family would have it as they have a past history of home break ins, theft of golf carts, mini bikes bicycles, etc. After the incident of the youngest pointing a gun at our bedroom window, I contacted local LE and told them in no uncertain terms, if I see a gun pointing at my house, my wife, our furkids or myself, I will exercise my rights to defend life, property and home, and I am not going to even question their age.

A gun can be deadly no matter whose hands it's in, and I'm sure not going to wait to see what caliber it is. The oldest boy, 17 at the time, fired a shot at our office windows one night as I sat directly in front of them. He hit the down spout between them and ran off. In my mind, my family comes before those of the crackhead who raised these little monsters.

 

[popsicle]

"The two boys, ages 10 and 11, told authorities that they were also going to kill, or "get," six more students at Fort Colville Elementary School in Colville, Washington, and even identified them from a class list provided by school employees, according to court documents.

The boys' plan called for the older to stab the girl off-campus with a 3.25-inch knife last week, and the younger boy would scare off any responders with a .45-caliber Remington 1911 semi-automatic handgun, court documents said.

The younger boy had been in "a short dating relationship" with the girl, but he told authorities that "she's rude and always made fun of me and my friends," court papers said.

"Yes, I just want her dead," the younger boy told authorities. He brought the gun and knife to school, documents said.

The older boy had been friends with the girl for several months, but he wanted to kill her because she picked on and annoyed him, court papers said.

"Yes, and I wanted to kill her alone at first," the older boy told a police officer.
The officer noticed in his interview with the older boy that he "did not display any emotion or remorse during the interview," court papers said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/14/justice/washington

Hmm, strange resemblance at an early age to Christopher Dorner:
- Having specific targets (list of 7 classmates to kill)
- Holding grievances because of perceived disrespect (girl was "rude" to them)
- Premeditated murder plot (luring the victims off-campus, and killing them one-by-one)

Something needs to be done to teach these grudge-holders how to better cope with perceived wrongs. We should start a WS thread on Solutions to improve coping skills of kids and adults towards perceived injustices.

This isn't about Dorner, or coping skills. This child is in serious need of psychological help if it isn't too late already.

 

[jellybeanz]

Aah, the age-old paradox: Chicken or the egg. Which comes first? Nature vs. nurture: Is violence learned or is it inate?

Yes, violence has been present from the age of time. But this form of violence -- making a list/manifesto of your victims, premeditation of specific weapons to use in your murders, the luring of victims to an ideal killing spot, how to escape detection, etc. These techniques are learned.

One can ask, philosophically, but what about the first human to commit such a methodical violent crime with these techniques? Where did he learn it?

Well, it only takes one to get the ball rolling.

One person in his own mind spontaneously comes up with the idea of a violent means to an end. He carries it out. Successfully. Others, who might not have thought of this idea on their own, sees/hears about the "violent means" and copies it. And the cycle repeats itself.

How does the media, video games, modern technology, etc. fit in?

Without such resources, the scope of reach of how to kill by that one person would not be so extensive. The violent means might have been confined to a specific, local region. It might even have perished along with that one person had he passed. But with the reach of the internet, youtube, newspapers, books, radio, etc. the violent means is passed on and spread exponentially throughout the world.

Art (media, video games, etc.) imitates life. Life imitates art. We know there are copycat killers. We also know one suicide often prompts other suiciders to take that leap too. Adults influence and mimic one other. And children and young adults, with unclear self-identities, are even more impressionable and prone towards being influenced by external factors such as art.

We can blame parents if we want. But it is the lack of impulse control and/or effective means of coping with negative emotions, that make certain adults and children alike, prone towards lashing out physically and harm others. And without appropriate guidance from support systems (caregivers, schools, community, media, etc.) teaching these people the proper coping mechanisms (e.g., venting via effective verbal communication, sports, music, blogging, etc.), the chances of these maladaptive people using physical violence on others magnify.

So, that's a bit of a soup of a post, what exactly are you saying here?

 

[bourne]

So, that's a bit of a soup of a post, what exactly are you saying here?

I should have kept it simpler. I'm used to pontificating to graduate students. Lol

Someone said the media doesn't create monsters like these young angry children bent on vengeance. I was giving psych theory that murder begins with an idea in one person's head. This one person comes up with murder plan and executes it. The media perpetuates the murder techniques by broadcasting it to the world. Others hear about it and mimic it.

 

[bourne]

This isn't about Dorner, or coping skills. This child is in serious need of psychological help if it isn't too late already.

That's in part what I've said. Maladaptive behaviors due to poor coping skills which if caught early can be remedied by teaching the kids effective ways to handle their grievances (anger issues) at home or school. And if kids problems persists, counseling may be in order.

 

[jellybeanz]

I should have kept it simpler. I'm used to pontificating to graduate students. Lol :floorlaugh:

Someone said the media doesn't create monsters like these young angry children bent on vengeance. I was giving psych theory that murder begins with an idea in one person's head. This one person comes up with murder plan and executes it. The media perpetuates the murder techniques by broadcasting it to the world. Others hear about it and mimic it.

Got ya

 

[bourne]

Got ya

My pontification gets worse when I'm exhausted! :blushing:

 

[Bipolar Express]

It would be absolutely fine with me if these two never got out. Sorry, but I'm sick of this. My son is 10 and I would just as soon not have to worry about him ever coming into contact with these two monsters. Because that's what they are...I'm done making excuses for these demon seeds.

 

[fhc]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/29/colville-boys-10-and-11-will-stand-trial-murder-co/

A Stevens County judge has ruled that two boys, ages 10 and 11, are competent to stand trial in juvenile court for first-degree conspiracy to murder a female classmate.

A status hearing is scheduled for April 8, and Rasmussen expects the defense to file a motion to suppress evidence like the discovery of the intended murder weapons in one of the boys’ backpack at Fort Colville Elementary School.

The boys will be kept in custody with a $100,000 bond each because both a psychiatrist with the defense and a state psychologist said the children present a danger to the community.

The case is expected to go to trial in juvenile court before the end of April.

 

[michmi]

Good God, when I was 10 I was building forts with my friends, not planning murders.

 

[FragileSugar]

Boy, 10, sentenced to up to 5 1/2 years in U.S. school murder plot

http://news.yahoo.com/boy-10-sentenced-5-1-2-years-u-043051984.html

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A 10-year-old Washington state boy was sentenced on Wednesday to up to 5 1/2 years in a juvenile detention facility for his role in a foiled plot to rape and kill a girl at his school and harm other children.
The boy was charged with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, juvenile firearm possession and witness tampering in connection with a plot in February at an elementary school in Colville, Washington, about 215 miles east of Seattle.
Prosecutors said he pleaded guilty last month to all charges.
Stevens County Superior Court Judge Allen Nielson sentenced the fifth-grade boy to a minimum of just over three years in juvenile detention and a maximum of nearly 5 1/2 years, Stevens County prosecutor Tim Rasmussen said.

 

[popsicle]

Boy, 10, sentenced to up to 5 1/2 years in U.S. school murder plot

http://news.yahoo.com/boy-10-sentenced-5-1-2-years-u-043051984.html

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A 10-year-old Washington state boy was sentenced on Wednesday to up to 5 1/2 years in a juvenile detention facility for his role in a foiled plot to rape and kill a girl at his school and harm other children.
The boy was charged with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, juvenile firearm possession and witness tampering in connection with a plot in February at an elementary school in Colville, Washington, about 215 miles east of Seattle.
Prosecutors said he pleaded guilty last month to all charges.
Stevens County Superior Court Judge Allen Nielson sentenced the fifth-grade boy to a minimum of just over three years in juvenile detention and a maximum of nearly 5 1/2 years, Stevens County prosecutor Tim Rasmussen said.

That's it?? He was planning to ....rape...and murder her. Unbelievable and scary.

 

[FragileSugar]

I'm sure we will hear more about him in 5 1/2 years (if he even serves it all!).

 

[Cappuccino]

The second of these two boys was convicted on Friday, he'll be sentenced in November.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wash-boy-11-found-guilty-murder-conspiracy-20550614

 

[lillygator]

that is insane....he needs a heck of a lot more than that.

 

[Elley Mae]

Good God, when I was 10 I was building forts with my friends, not planning murders.

Forts you say,:fence: we had one that was underground with passage ways. I loved being outside in the woods. The only thing we planned was what time to go get a yoo-hoo and butterscotch krimpet from the corner store on the hill. :seeya:

:truce:

 

[Steely Dan]

that is insane....he needs a heck of a lot more than that.

Sadly, one of them or the other is probably a pyscopath. He should be put away for life. If he's a psychopath there's nothing they will do that will affect him.

 

[NZkirsty]

This world, it seems, is turning to custard. He wanted to kill and *gulp* rape a girl because she is annoying?! and he's 10?!?!?!?! wtf??

 

[TGIRecovered]

When I was 10 I knew rape was something horrible but I had no clue what it really meant. When friends finally explained it to me I thought "Whew, I'm safe. No one would do that to a little girl !"

 

[fran]

Fifth-grade boy sentenced to four years in plot to kill classmate

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2013/11/fifth-grade_boy_sentenced_to_f.html