GUILTY WA - Ingrid Lyne, 40, Seattle, 8 April 2016 #2

[GrilledCheezy]

You may want to report that like, ASAP

Reported upthread that Andria was located. And the FBI is already on the Felina case.

 

[orangecrush]

First off, consider the source. People magazine does a really bad job of reporting facts. They tend to be overly dramatic and sensationalize the story.

The way I read it, is the initial test for blood in the bathtub was probably luminol sprayed in the tub itself. After they got judicial permission to do a thorough search, the CSI came in and found blood and tissue in the drain. It is pretty common. He probably used bleach to clean the tub, but didn't think about the bits that were washed down the drain.

I know, People magazine is like the local broadcast news of publishing - they are typically so over the top that it's painful. But what got me was that they directly quoted someone, which you're not supposed to do unless it's an actual quote from a source. And if he did use bleach to clean the scene, I believe they'd be able to tell the chemical compound, and it would again show his level of awareness.

 

[Inthedetails]

Thanks, I think he targeted her because she's beautiful, successful, with three beautiful children. I believe that's his MO.

Bingo.

jmo

 

[Reba]

Where was JC at the time Nancy Moyer went missing? If we can place him in the area, we need to start discussing on her thread.

jmo

I copied this from the first thread, but I feel like there was a more detailed timeline of where he lived posted as well. I'll keep digging...

What we know about Charlton’s history?
We will post additional details here as we confirm them, but here’s what we know so far.
* Charlton was born in Idaho.
* In spring 1997, Charlton was convicted of marijuana possession, with the condition that he could have the charge deferred by completing alcohol information school within 90 days, among other conditions. He complied with the alcohol information school, however the deferred sentence was revoked later that year because of another violation in Auburn.
* The Auburn case was a domestic violence assault case (fourth-degree) filed May 21, 1998, in Auburn Municipal Court. KIRO 7 has requested copies of the case documents.
* In summer 1998, Charlton was arrested for DUI in Washington. That case led to a convicted for first-degree negligent driving, according to court records.
* In 2006, Charlton was convicted of aggravated robbery in Utah, according to The Associated Press.
* In 2009, he was convicted of felony theft in Montana.
* In October 2015, Charlton was found guilty in Lynnwood Municipal Court of driving without insurance.
* In February 2016, Charlton was stopped for driving a Ford Taurus with expired tags. He listed his address in Seattle’s Ravenna neig
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[orangecrush]

The getting so drunk he was in blackout part is bothering me. I've worked with a lot of alcoholics in recovery over the years. One thing that seems to be pretty common is that alcoholics develop a high tolerance level for alcohol. Generally, it takes a lot of alcohol to get an alcoholic drunk. I know a women fairly petite woman that needed to drink 12 beers to just feel a slight buzz and another that drank two bottles of wine and acted completely straight. A large bottle of vodka, no problem.

So if JC has a high tolerance level for alcohol from all his years of drinking, how did he get blackout drunk at a baseball game? I haven't been to a game in years, but in Yankee Stadium, they used to sell watered-down beers for like $5 a cup and that was way back in the 1990's. If they sell mixed drinks, I'm sure they would be even more expensive. It would probably take him at least 10 beers or drinks to get slightly drunk at the game, that would be $50 or more. I guess he could have smuggled in a bottle of his own, but I'm not sure if that is possible.

If they went to the game, then went to the bar after and made it back to her house by midnight, that would not give them much time at the bar for him to consume enough alcohol to get to a blackout state. I believe somebody posted that the game ended around 10:30 pm.

Any thoughts?

MLB ballparks have gotten more sophisticated in their alcohol choices, for sure - in years past, you got... beer. Now, you can get beer, craft beer, wine, mixed drinks, margaritas, you name it. That being said, they have really stepped up the level of security as well. If you appear intoxicated at all, they are not to serve you and the vendors do not mess around with that because they can lose their license to do business. If you appear intoxicated and are acting like an obnoxious a-hole (can I say that here?), security will put you in the drunk tank at the ballpark and hold you there. No kidding. So I think it's safe to bet that JC was not black-out drunk at the game.

It's possible that whatever bar they went to after the game over-served him and that contributed to his overall level of intoxication. But at this point, we only have his word that he was drunk and can't remember anything, and I think we'd all agree that he's not a reliable source.

 

[Sparky]

MOD ALERT

The families are off limits. You may discuss what's in MSM only.

The name of the bar is to remain unnamed in the threads.

:tyou:

 

[kammiemc]

Did you possibly omit one word? Seems like an odd place to keep a pruning saw.

Oh shoot. Yes. It was NOT normally kept in the bathroom. Sorry.

 

[kammiemc]

MLB ballparks have gotten more sophisticated in their alcohol choices, for sure - in years past, you got... beer. Now, you can get beer, craft beer, wine, mixed drinks, margaritas, you name it. That being said, they have really stepped up the level of security as well. If you appear intoxicated at all, they are not to serve you and the vendors do not mess around with that because they can lose their license to do business. If you appear intoxicated and are acting like an obnoxious a-hole (can I say that here?), security will put you in the drunk tank at the ballpark and hold you there. No kidding. So I think it's safe to bet that JC was not black-out drunk at the game.

It's possible that whatever bar they went to after the game over-served him and that contributed to his overall level of intoxication. But at this point, we only have his word that he was drunk and can't remember anything, and I think we'd all agree that he's not a reliable source.

At Safeco field, where the Mariners play, they stop serving alcohol seventh inning. Probably trying to give people a chance to sober up before driving home. FWIW.

 

[Paulas88]

I'm very interested in what the LE will discover in a forensic examination of his cell/computer. Since he targeted mothers, could
be they'll find child . And, maybe some insight to his last comment on Facebook: I studied at them all.

 

[ANZAC]

LE said he was acting NONCHALANT when they interviewed him which reminds me of an article that I read written years ago from a journalist that studied and interviewed past killers with some saying that killing was sexual and they got sexual relief after killing and dismembering a victim so they would continue to kill because of that sexual frustration that builds up and is released only after they killed so on to their next victim. Gary Ridgeway might have been named in the article I can't remember. I thought it was so sick. But then again they are sick people with their wiring all screwed up.

Ridgeway had sex with his victims after he killed them. He would return and visit the sites multiple times even when the remains became putrefied.
Ridgeway has a very low IQ, so it is difficult to ascribe any complex motivation there.

 

[birpu]

Re the bathtub methods. I've been wondering if after having killed her he lined the tub with a big piece of plastic (the kind used in garden/painting projects - about 9x12 feet, bought in a roll). He could have draped it double over the whole tub, placed the body in it and gone to work, wrapping pieces in the plastic when done and placing those in the white garbage bags. This would leave relatively little mess in the tub. It would also suggest premeditation if plastic like that were not at her house normally. It would also speed up the clean-up by a lot. LE did say "packaged."

Sorry to be so graphic. This part of the crime (dismembering and disposal) is cold and calculated. Imagine the gall of driving off through town in your murdered date's car, distributing her wrapped remains here and there as you go. That's psychopathic. It's contemptuous, of her and of us all. I think the rest of her was thrown away in refuse bins, like trash. I think her mother's texts on Saturday morning were the thing that "came up" that meant he wouldn't be at his sister's to do yard work. He had to figure out what to do. How did she know his last name!! Panic. What do they know? Thinks he's about to be found out. Bolts to a hotel to hide/plan.

Think about that. He's homeless, stays in shelters and couch surfs. But for this he pays money to go where nobody would know him. He's made a mistake and needs to figure an angle. Ingrid left a trail to find him.

And I think the coldness of it all - the calculation, the casual back-and-forth texting in response to her very mother (!) - means he is may have done this before.

If those remains had not been discovered, where would we be right now? He'd be suspicious. But would he be a suspect? If no remains had been found and if Ingrid had not told people about him, he would just be a guy on her phone who had been to her home on a date at some point.

 

[CARIIS]

she updated a friend via text at 10:30

is this from the game or bar -- I am starting to thik they never made the game

 

[Guuj]

I wonder if she responded to a text from her friend at 10:30 or if she just sent it. If it was in response to her friend checking in on her, he could have had her phone and made that text to throw off the timeline...

 

[Reba]

I wonder if she responded to a text from her friend at 10:30 or if she just sent it. If it was in response to her friend checking in on her, he could have had her phone and made that text to throw off the timeline...

I was thinking the same thing

 

[Inthedetails]

I was thinking the same thing

I think they were at the game and at the bar. LE should be able to verify those two locations.

Her car was seen going to her house around midnight and then leaving at 4am. Those times fit the timeline of going to the game and then to the bar before heading to her place.

JMO.

 

[Guuj]

I think they were at the game and at the bar. LE should be able to verify those two locations.

Her car was seen going to her house around midnight and then leaving at 4am. Those times fit the timeline of going to the game and then to the bar before heading to her place.

JMO.

Jeeze. All this in four hours. So frigging sad.

 

[MizStery]

I was thinking the same thing

I wonder if she responded to a text from her friend at 10:30 or if she just sent it. If it was in response to her friend checking in on her, he could have had her phone and made that text to throw off the timeline...

she updated a friend via text at 10:30

is this from the game or bar -- I am starting to thik they never made the game

This is my post #822 from thread 1
"I just received my copy of the Wednesday April13th Seattle Times. The article reiterates LE are desperately attempting to locate the rest of Ingrid's remains. The only new information was at 10:35 pm Friday night Ingrid texted a friend that she was on a date&#8232;&#8232;"
Last edited by MizStery; Yesterday at 05:07 AM.&#8232;&#8232;

I know that does not exactly answer your question but that is the only quote on the 10:30pm text message I have read.Can anyone else remember reading this anywhere else or is this quote from The Seattle Times the only source?​

 

[CSIDreamer]

~They don't get help!

I dated a man pretty much like this. He drank and became horribly abusive!
Nicest guy u would ever want to meet.
I mean it!
Once he started to drink it was all over.
I ran for my life many times...He would always come back and say he was sorry he would change he loved me.
We would try again.

Once he attacked me and it took 5 men to get him off me. (5)
He didn't remember it.

I left and never saw him again!
I almost died.

I believe there was some substance abuse with this guy too.

Alcoholism is a disease
Its not so easy to just stop!

They don't even have to be drunk or on drugs. Just the idea they are all that really matters and the rest of the world is here to serve them. I recall power tools whizzing over my head from a person that wasn't drunk or on drugs. Just mad that I'd called his bluff once and for all. It's called a sociopath.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Again, apologies if this has already been posted, but I had not heard that an initial test for blood in the bathtub came back negative:

"Seattle police later obtained a search warrant for the nurse's home, in which they found a 15-inch wood saw, and bags that were 'identical in color and size' to those that the body parts were found in. An initial test for blood in the bathtub came back negative, however once CSI returned to the home and 'removed the plumbing beneath the bathtub … they found blood and flesh.'" (source)

He must have really cleaned up the scene, which shows a great deal of awareness. It also makes me think that his selection of where he put her remains was more calculated than not.

And how in the world did he have the presence of mind, supposedly drunk, to find (or even know about) a pruning saw in the garage?

 

[cujenn81]

Hi Anzac - Happy to have your expertise here. I have a couple of questions you might be able to answer:
1 - would there be a SAR type of response to locate the missing remains of Ingrid?
2 - If you were looking at the map of the key points, where do you think you would look?

I apologize if this has already been mentioned (I haven't quite caught up yet) but I think I remember reading in one article that a neighbor of the man who found her said that officers with canines quickly convened in the neighborhood in an attempt to discover the rest of her remains nearby.