Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #8 *Arrest*

[SCHMAE]

What about the baby rabbits and birds?

:rollercoaster:

 

[tier]

I Agree about the Sunday 'problem.' Why hasn't anyone said they fed her, saw her, gave her water or walked with her somewhere if she was out from 7am until after dark. They only way that makes sense is if she met up with GG at 7 am and they stayed hidden until he threw her in the bog. :cry:



I always keep coming back to Saturday night as being the tragic time.

Me too. But that holds other 'problems'. This case isn't as straight-forward as I think most believe.

 

[Mimiof8]

BBM

What a tender hearted daughter you have. I would be so proud :loveyou:

Thank you and yes I'm very proud of her. By the way I should tell you that client she read to is a 12 yr old boy. He believes bad things happen when you sleep, scary.

 

[SCHMAE]

I Agree about the Sunday 'problem.' Why hasn't anyone said they fed her, saw her, gave her water or walked with her somewhere if she was out from 7am until after dark. They only way that makes sense is if she met up with GG at 7 am and they stayed hidden until he threw her in the bog. :cry:

I always keep coming back to Saturday night as being the tragic time.

I'm becoming fairly certain that GG is the one who provided the ' neighbors saw her sunday between 12 and 4 '' ( which i always thought was a strange time, why not 12 or 1 ish? or 3 or 4ish? ) and that's why it was not 'verified' and why LE was some what hush hush about it when asked at later pressers. That time could not be confirmed and they had him in their sights and knew there was no Sunday sighting. moooo

 

[Jo in Calif]

My gut feeling is that we are going to get a very heavy shoe dropped on us.
I also have a guy feeling there is going to be another arrest.

 

[Bravo]

Holy hell, bravo. I live in upstate NY and I am trying to guess where this was- canada is a couple hours from my house either across lake Ontario or over to buff and across the border. And at my summer house, it's a two minute boat ride. This wasn't north country by any chance was it? My aunt went to SLU for her psych training. Part of it at least.

Anyway I have a 5 y/o son and I would vomit and then burn it all down if I had to hear what you did. I give you a lot of credit for what you do.

Thanks sweets. No I am SW Ontario. Mario's Clinic was in Cambridge Ont. He was who we consulted with after they spent 9 months at his clinic. He was amazing and I had a lot of respect for his work. Every time we had meetings I laughed at the sight of him. His hair stood on end. The hair he had. Always wore a trench coat. Had more degrees than anyone I have ever worked with. He would say yes I am Jewish and I look like a loon.
ETA our summer home is in Haliburton do you know that area?

 

[elmomom]

The three standard pharmacotherapy treatments for pedophilia are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI), luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone (LHRH), and leuprolide acetate (LA) (Briken, 2003). These pharmacotherapy treatments target certain hormones and chemicals in the body, but have varying side effects. SSRIs are effective in less severe cases and patients often experience only sexual side effects (Kraus, 2007).

http://neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/10/inside-the-mind-of-a-pedophile/

This is a paragraph discussing the latest studies on treatment for pedophilia. SSRIs are serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, a widely prescribed type of anti-depressant.

So, the first treatment (SSRIs) is used in less severe cases, possibly a person who only feels compulsions, but has not acted on it yet? Is it possible that GG was not really being treated for depression?

 

[borndem]

No, they went to this policy about a year ago I think. Some articles are free to view, some you must pay to view, and some start out free but become pay status later on. It seems like after a certain time period passes then the Sun newspaper makes the articles for payers only.

yep -- I got caught & cut off today. It's not uncommon -- and I understand. The benefits of subscription... Oh, well.... :-]

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Honest question- do you guys think or know if LE surfs our boards? Do we actually help their investigation ever? That would be so cool.

 

[katydid23]

Me too. But that holds other 'problems'. This case isn't as straight-forward as I think most believe.

True. If it did happen Saturday night, it opens up a huge can of worms. :worms:

 

[katydid23]

Honest question- do you guys think or know if LE surfs our boards? Do we actually help their investigation ever? That would be so cool.

Know for a fact that some have. :websleuther:

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Know for a fact that some have. :websleuther:

That's pretty cool. I'm so glad I found this place. Now instead of just watching it all happen, maybe I can do some good.

 

[Ontario Mom]

FWIW - I've never believed JW made it home Saturday night, and after reading the probable cause statement, still don't. I don't believe anyone ever saw her on Sunday. Of course that will all come out, in time.

 

[Lovejac]

*** WARNING - contains some mildly graphic wording ***

Run-on thoughts.....

Having been athletic when I was GG's age and beyond, I can tell you first-hand, there is a mode an athlete enters when approaching sport. There's mental and physical prep, perform, sustain, cool-down. Many athletes of intensive sports tend to appear quiet, relaxed, confident and typically hang with like-minded friends and on occasion, friends of friends. To us, a "jekyl/hyde" analogy is to emphasize the "mild / intense" aspect, not the "good / evil" aspect.

GG appears to be quite muscular. I, too, was muscular at that age but not quite to GG's degree. Either GG has used growth hormones or anabolic steroids or, he simply worked out and / or supplemented with the typical muscle building (legal) regimen many athletes use. Given his appearance and general demeanor (as described in SM and news article comments) I would rule out hormones and steroids (no unusual acne, extra hairy, erratic), as their use tends to inspire atypically aggressive behavior .. although there are exceptions.

Given that, I would separate out the "athlete" element in this case; I suspect the crime would have occurred whether or not GG was a wrestler. There is some other pathology involved. Self-image. Acceptance. Rejection.

GG's answers to ******* questions indicate possible concern with having multiple siblings (or certain siblings). [modsnip] It seems GG is not a stand-out in his seemingly large family? What did he do to garner attention in such a family? How is it that he either sought out or indirectly ended up with a "mentor" outside his own home? Why?

17 year old boys are self-conscious in social situations, some more or less than others. How long could GG get away with using his "wrestling" prowess in social settings? Get's old really fast, but "friends" go along, and after a while the initial "awe" wains and something else must take its place. GG has lost at least one, if not two girlfriends during the past two years .. not unusual but multiple rejections, for some, can be devastating.

I do not believe 6 year old girls tend to "taunt" those older than themselves; I believe they tend to be 'honest' in their observations (as honest they can be on par to what they 'know', 'observe' and do or do not 'understand').

We do not know how nor why GG and JW came to be together that weekend.

No one to date has indicated any / on-going bad interactions between GG and JW, except...

When GG was 15, the mother of an 11 year old girl instructed GG to stay away from her daughter. Why? Inappropriate banter or teasing or simply because of the age difference? Does the daughter have dark hair and eyes similar to JW? Is that his "type"?

How many times can a young male, used to being praised for his athletic prowess on the mat but only "average, nice guy" in social settings, take rejection? Family ups-and-downs (a probably well-respected aunt who passed away), exposure to other 'personalities' (whom we are not permitted to identify) outside the home and most likely, peer pressure along the lines of, "GG, did you get l**d, yet?"


JW "last seen in bed around 2200 hrs Saturday evening", as reporter by JW's father.

JW "not seen around 0700 hrs Sunday morning", as reported by JW's father.

LE indicates forced entry not detected.

Not unusual for JW to be out and about "eating breakfast at [a neighbor's] or eating brunch at [a neighbor's] but it is unusual for JW to be out of the house "so early".

This leads me to conclude this was a crime of opportunity .. but could have been planned / intentional.

GG happened upon JW sometime after Saturday 2200 hrs and perhaps as late as Sunday up to early evening.

We do not know enough about timeline details to properly outline the following....

The crime could have occurred within a vehicle, GG's bedroom or at or near the "muddy bog" location. The vehicle would only provide concealment of the act if parked in a location outside of the MHP. This would allow time to commit, and facilitate an easy method of transport. Time constraint would not permit searching for a concealment location (in the dark of night) outside the MHP (unless premeditated search had already occurred) so the "muddy bog" was probably always the intended concealment location.

After committing, some time passes as GG gathers himself and gathers courage to perform the next step. GG transports JW to the "muddy bog" location. GG either returns to the location of the main crime to retrieve clothing or had already brought JW's clothing .. either way the clothing is inexplicably not hidden with JW.

GG returns home .. cleans up.

I suspect further detail would include time constraint as to between when the main crime was committed and to when concealment occurred. GG was probably rushing .. might explain the clothing not being hidden or perhaps inadvertently dropped along the way.

Upon first detective visit to GG's house his parents reported GG was "home all weekend" but was not emotionally available to meet with detectives nor to provide a DNA sample .. this might seem odd, but if the parents had no reason to suspect their son to be involved in such a crime there would be no urgency to provide DNA? I would want my son to provide the DNA sample, regardless of how emotional he was .. except with GG there is a possible medical condition of "depression" (as assumed by prescribed "anti-depression" medication.)

Depression, to the point where medication is required, indicates it is serious enough to take in to account. Robin Williams (as have many others) committed suicide likely due to severe clinical depression. Could GG have suffered depression to the extent that he was unable to take his own life but instead acted in some other way? This heinous crime?

:goodpost: Thank you for this.

So many of my same thoughts in one post.

 

[tier]

I also have a guy feeling there is going to be another arrest.

I really hope so.

True. If it did happen Saturday night, it opens up a huge can of worms. :worms:

Indeed.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have finally caught up reading on the threads. You guys have done a lot of research and provided some real insight. The personal posts have been tear jerkers.....((((hugs))))

I would really like to see the search warrants. I get impatient but I am sure documents/information will be released in due time. The psych evaluation and the hearing on the 28th will probably bring us another round of information. And I am sure we will continued to be shocked.

I, like so many of you, have a very unsettling feeling about this case. I want more information but I am not sure if I can process more right now. I am in hyper-sensitive overload.

I don't really have any new ideas or links to add (and yes, I was taught if you didn't have anything nice to say to keep your mouth shut but boy, there are some things I have started to post and stopped myself).

Just wanted to thank everyone for all their posts and dedication and love for Jenise.

May justice be swift.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I was just outside and some kids went by on bikes, a boy about 15ish, a girl 10ish and a little boy about 5ish. They were riding and laughing without a care in the world. They are unaffected by the fears that adults have to / choose to worry about . Why not? Our neighborhood is safe, quiet, very rural. They probably do not know there is one RSO at the end of the street and another RSO next door to me, about 300 yards away. They're just enjoying life and being kids. And I'm glad they can be. Of course, my mind is distracted and all I can think is they are roaming footloose and fancy free and what is really so wrong with that?

ON topic. When my now almost adult daughter was 4 she begged for a kitty and after some searching we found the winner. We brought him home and set him up in the house for housecat life . When he got older he wanted to go outside so bad . I would not let him. My daughter , in all of her wisdom at about 5 yrs of age, wanted him to go out. I reminded her of all the dangers, cars on the road, neighborhood dogs and the coyotes. We have coyotes nightly roaming around looking for a meal. I said he won't live if he goes out there. There are too many dangers. She said to me that if he did not live, at least he would have been free to life the cat's life he was born to live and that cats were not made to live inside and he clearly needed and longed to go out into the cat world. I tried really hard to talk her out of this thinking at her age she could not understand how badly his death would break her heart. She said she understood and it was a chance she would have to take because he needed to be happy more than she needed to be happy . So out he went and had a blast and roamed free and wild. He caught baby rabbits and birds and some times he 'd stay gone all night. We would wake up in the morning hoping he was at the door and he was. He always came back. That kitty is now pushing 13. He comes and goes as he pleases and comes in at least every day to nap and eat and visit us. On cold nights he stays in all night. Of course he could have been killed the first week ! If it had been up to me and all my fear and anxiety and paranoia of what might happen to a lone cat on the prowl, he would never have gone outside. If it was up to me he would have missed one heck of a fun life. The wisdom and naivety of my little 5 yr old gave him the life he was meant to live .

Your story brought tears to my eyes because it worked out badly when we tried the same thing. I got the kids 'twin' kittens from the pound as a 'moving ' gift. We were moving to a new town and the kids were sad about leaving their school and friends. So we got them 2 adorable kittens. After they were about a year old, the girl kitty was obsessed with trying to get outside. And my daughter, age 6 at the time, lobbied for her. My DD really wanted her kitty to be allowed to go out and play by the lake. But we do have coyotes around at night too. And I did the same thing as you did---I tried hard to dissuade my daughters pleas. Explained what could happen. Told her about the dangers and said NO we cannot let her out.

Anyhow, somehow, the kitty did get out one time. And eventually we gave up trying to keep her in. She was like a Houdini. And then one morning we found her head and her cat collar on the street, out front. It was horrible. Thank good ness they kids didnt see it. But to this day my daughter has felt much GUILT over her kitty's brutal death. And she was mad at me for not preventing it. :cry:

And this is a perfect example of my mantra: We are not as important or as "in charge" as think we think we are. Head on collision taught me that. You can do everything "right" and still be devastated. You can also live on the edge and enjoy the freedom. I think we're all trying to find a middle line. . . but it is certainly, imo, invisible!

 

[Bravo]

Honest question- do you guys think or know if LE surfs our boards? Do we actually help their investigation ever? That would be so cool.

Yes.They do. Did you follow the Caylee Anthony Trial? A Detective posted benign posts here. Of course that was brought up at Trial. One of the Defense Atty's I think her name was Simms eluded to the fact she was the one with bad hair. And it was bad and talked about here LOL. Then there was a screenshot from the Defense table. Guess where the Defense was. Here. That resulted in the Defense table being moved against the wall.

 

[borndem]

Sorry if this has already been answered. I don't know the answers but I did read that they had stopped trash pick up when Jenise was missing to retain it for evidence. I don't know how it was processed.

bbm
Amazing! Once LE got rolling, they thought of everything, didn't they?! What a bunch of smart, quick folks!

 

[Lovejac]

I'm becoming fairly certain that GG is the one who provided the ' neighbors saw her sunday between 12 and 4 '' ( which i always thought was a strange time, why not 12 or 1 ish? or 3 or 4ish? ) and that's why it was not 'verified' and why LE was some what hush hush about it when asked at later pressers. That time could not be confirmed and they had him in their sights and knew there was no Sunday sighting. moooo

IF, and I must reiterate IF, GG was the one that provided that 12-4 sighting, I'd assume that's the timeframe he committed the crime.