WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #10

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  • #501
Welcome to WS, Lola Rae~

JenniferO~ Your countdown has now gone into mere hours, minutes, and seconds! I am so happy for you and your family!! What a wonderful homecoming he will have today!! :woohoo: (I bet you are not sleeping a wink tonight either. LOL)
 
  • #502
The Casino is the Little Creek Casino and according to that map there aren't any SOs near it.



RE: "My son will be home at noon on August 8!"


{{{{{JenO !!!}}}}}}}

Just minutes away!!!!!! Are you wearing waterproof mascara???? No Raccoon-Look for our fellow sleuth-ess!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so happy for you - and with all the sad news lately - - it's sooooo good to have happy news!!!!!! We are so way overdue for happy news!!! I, for one, am going to hold this news close to my heart and cherish it all day long!!!!!!! (Kinda like an all day sucker) {{{{{ Huggggggs alll the way from St Louie!}}}}} (I have long arms) :) :blowkiss: :woohoo:
 
  • #503
I won't be around much for the next couple of days, but everyone hang in there! I am taking my daughter to county fair today, she is performing in a little skit. She's 5 and loves to be up on stage. :)

We'll miss you Cyber!!!! Have a safe trip with your little "Star"! Be sure to take many pictures!!!!!!! :)
 
  • #504
Jen - what LadyBug said and SS and coastal & Norm. I second all of it! Have a wonderful time with your son and tell him we are all glad he is home safe!

Salem
 
  • #505
JenO, please thank your son for his service to our country from my family! Enjoy your reunion and sending hugs and salutes from Florida!! (the salute is from my husband, he's a military veteran)
 
  • #506
I'm probably too late, but I double ditto!!! Big kisses to your son from central Oregon!!!
 
  • #507
2 hours to go! I am totally happy for you and your family Jennifer. I know you will have the best day ever and we'll be waiting to hear a full report ;} xox
 
  • #508
I am so happy for you, Jen!:dance:
 
  • #509
Has it been established how many children live with KK? I thought it was 4, but I only know of 3:

there's a baby
Kayla
Kylar
who is the 4th child?
 
  • #510
boondock, I believe there is an older daughter (AK).

You can find her linked to both KK and MK via myspace. Her myspace says she is 13 and lives in McCleary.
 
  • #511
boondock, I believe there is an older daughter (AK).

You can find her linked to both KK and MK via myspace. Her myspace says she is 13 and lives in McCleary.

Thank you. And congrats on your son's homecoming.
 
  • #512
awww jennifer...i'm soooo happy for you to finally have your baby back home.

:blowkiss:
 
  • #513
Here are a few snips from SM reply #976 that may or may not be of some interest to some here. This is not an indication of any opinion on my part one way or the other relative to JB, as I have been up in the air on that lately and am only bring attention to this post for others to process according to their own views:

snips -

1.
first off she does suspect josh and his mom, because she thinks his mom lets him do anything and all the abuse she witnessed. also she says the place she heard the dogs last picked up a scent (which she acknowledges is hearsay) is the same street she lived on at pine and 1st, and she's kinda haunted by that, she says lindsey would always run to her. the phone number she made those 911 calls, which she says were at least 3 or 4, was xxxxxxxx, and it was around summer of last year, something like that.

2.
the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call)

[Note - Scandi posted 07-01-2009, 08:49 PM some information relative to a knife chase and choking in thread #2 but this did not include a shovel]

...that's enough from that particular post. If anyone is interested in inspecting more on this, the location is noted above.

Again, this is not even an IMO post, just a location of possible information that has come up, and may be of interest to someone.

PS - JO, what a fantastic photo of your son and the little one! Thanks for sharing, and enjoy!
 
  • #514
boondock, I believe there is an older daughter (AK).

You can find her linked to both KK and MK via myspace. Her myspace says she is 13 and lives in McCleary.

Hmmm. I had an older daughter on both MK and KK's pages as a 17 yr old that lives in AZ. Based on comments left on MK's MS page where she refers to her as "sis" and also in both her and KK's sons mood updates they both refer to her as their sister, and were grieving the loss of her unborn baby girl.
 
  • #515
boondock, I believe there is an older daughter (AK).

You can find her linked to both KK and MK via myspace. Her myspace says she is 13 and lives in McCleary.

Whoot ... whoot ... so happy for you and the safe arrival of your son. Awesome picture JenniferO.
 
  • #516
Hmmm. I had an older daughter on both MK and KK's pages as a 17 yr old that lives in AZ. Based on comments left on MK's MS page where she refers to her as "sis" and also in both her and KK's sons mood updates they both refer to her as their sister, and were grieving the loss of her unborn baby girl.

I believe this is another sibling that does not live with KK, but in AZ as you stated, but there has been reference to 4 kids in KK's house, so this must be the AK as JenO says

if this is wrong, someone please correct me
 
  • #517
Hmmm. I had an older daughter on both MK and KK's pages as a 17 yr old that lives in AZ. Based on comments left on MK's MS page where she refers to her as "sis" and also in both her and KK's sons mood updates they both refer to her as their sister, and were grieving the loss of her unborn baby girl.

Anything is possible.. but the girl you are talking about is 17 years old, that would have made KK 14 when she had her.
I wonder if it's her sister, not her daughter.
 
  • #518
Here are a few snips from SM reply #976 that may or may not be of some interest to some here. This is not an indication of any opinion on my part one way or the other relative to JB, as I have been up in the air on that lately and am only bring attention to this post for others to process according to their own views:

snips -

1.
first off she does suspect josh and his mom, because she thinks his mom lets him do anything and all the abuse she witnessed. also she says the place she heard the dogs last picked up a scent (which she acknowledges is hearsay) is the same street she lived on at pine and 1st, and she's kinda haunted by that, she says lindsey would always run to her. the phone number she made those 911 calls, which she says were at least 3 or 4, was xxxxxxxx, and it was around summer of last year, something like that.

2.
the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call)

[Note - Scandi posted 07-01-2009, 08:49 PM some information relative to a knife chase and choking in thread #2 but this did not include a shovel]

...that's enough from that particular post. If anyone is interested in inspecting more on this, the location is noted above.

Again, this is not even an IMO post, just a location of possible information that has come up, and may be of interest to someone.

PS - JO, what a fantastic photo of your son and the little one! Thanks for sharing, and enjoy!
Thanks Norm for the opportunity to address my feelings on the brothers behavior and the problems in the home. Before I start I would like to know if Josh and Lindsey have the same father and why the public didn't see any form of father nurturing son while he was visiting here.
experts are now beginning to understand and recognize the harm that can come from sibling abuse, which is often a symptom of other family violence. failure to recognize sibling abuse (maltreatment) on the part of parents can actually can actually promote sibling abuse and lead to increase sibling abuse. Getting to the root of the problem can often be an arduouse task, as sibling abuse tends to be only a part of a larger problem of violence within the family. Sadly, this can go unchecked damaging everyone in its path. INTENSIVE THERAPY NEEDED INVOLVING ENTIRE FAMILY. It is typically perpetuated by an older sibling which may be in the form of taunting, insults, physical violence, intimidation, other forms of psychological crulety These situations may be ignored by the parent or exacerbated by similar treatment towards the abused child. Sex abuse is an undereported sibling phenomenon, partly because parents resist recognizing it. There's confusion about where normal sex play ends and incest begins. Most sibling sexual abuse is perpetuated by a male 8-16 yrs. of age. Sex play usually occurs between children who are close in age and before puberty. reading many times how lindsey called 911 only to be taken back into the home would only have made things worse for Lindsey inside the home. It takes alittle girl courage to call 911 once and to call 2 more times knowing she may not be belived to her a courage only a girl with spunk could muster. By Law we know Mc Cleary LE would have to report this to Social Services to get them to inspect the dynamics in the family! People of authority have let this little girl down. Why would such a word as drama queen be used when this carp is going on in and out of the home. To many folks in town had their radar on this maladjusted brother for this sibling abuse to continue! Thank goodness (if true, can LE home calls be verified) this neighbor tried to intervene! JB has more classic inappropriate behavior, causing a felony crime than some in Juve and should have been investigated for sibling abuse. Fire starters is a classic hint at a maladjusted kid. Thinking about the many adults who could have intervined in that town and seeing that pitiful sign in Mc Cleary wanting their angel back was depressing. Can anyone please in that town make a decent memorial sign for this baby girl, please? I don't want to put down "Mayberry type police" if they did follow through with calling CPS, but if they didn't they are opened up to ridicule. If social Services didn't respond to Lindsey's cry for help I would be rattling chains in that town. My goodness folks Could Lindsey have cried out for help anymore than what she did for help? Lindsey did what all children are told to do if abused. :furious:
 
  • #519
I forgot to post my referencing. "Domestic crimes, family violence and child abuse, by Ronald B Flowers.I saved this from my early sluething of the A family. Kind of funny that I didn't delete it when it didn't go with the A family, but fits this crime. If a peophile had befriended JB and was aware of the dynamics in the home he would find this a perfect child to be used to manipulate himself into the Baum's everyday life about town. I was judgemental about mom B. letting Lindsey walk home at dusk, but spending an afternoon there I found this to be so small of an area that would be condusive for kids to walk and ride bikes anywhere and feel safe. For that I'm sorry to have made judgement call. I would have let my sons and daughter do the same as the boys we encountered walking and bike riding. The shell gas station guy seemed to have a window on the world behind the counter and was a man with few words and I can get anyone to open up. He takes his job seriously and let me know he knows the kids with Sticky fingers! I hope he could be of help to LE if he was on duty. After talking with a few folks I came away with a feeling of sadness for this open case unsolved because it seems people in town have gone through a form of grieving. Shock of the crime, hope and elation comming with the searches, let down into anger, denial, and apathy, wanting to have things settle back into life before Lindsey disappeared. Towns people are going to have to help advocate for Lindsey's name to stay front and center in Mc Cleary so that the airwaves, internet chats keep hearing about her. Can anyone get some explorer scouts to donate time? Can the citizens of Mc Cleary organize sporadic searches? At 5:00 pm I saw many a man getting off work from somewhere in and around Mc Cleary that looked healthy enough to band together in a search.
 
  • #520
Hi Kageykaren, It has to be a given that JB was on LE's radar the minute they learned Lindsey had gone missing. As you say, his maladjustment caused problems which were addressed by CSD {I think} as he was sent to Juvi. Maybe to teach him a lesson as I don't think he stayed long.

I just can't think of him as so maladjusted that he would have anything to do with her going missing. Could he hold something like this inside and not break after 5 weeks? Even if he had an adult mentor who would help him if she had died accidentally, I don't think he had the mental 'means' to be involved in that. And we have learned of no crime scene which I believe there would be if she died accidentally.

I'm wondering if CSD was slow on the draw in helping Lindsey with her fears of safety. Did she really tell the officer who drove her home why she was so fearful? Did she tell her mother? She wrote about it to her friends on MS, reaching out in her way. It could be she was abducted before her fears were addressed, as she seemed to be spooked right up till she was last seen if what we have read is true.

I do think she had an impending fear of someone who had made advances to her. It could have been someone who knew her family but I think that is as far as it went.

Wouldn't you think LE would have investigated all relationships with family members? It is beyond me if they don't have a good idea who could have taken her. xox and IMO


PS: Thanks Karen for your posts and the visual of Lindsey's hometown 5 weeks after her disappearance.
 
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