WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #5

[soyesterday]

i also wanted to add that my last post was off topic from lindsey, but I couldn't find a way to go back to the top of my post on my iPhone LOL...

 

[ThoughtElf]

Jvk, I'll go with guys too if you think having more numbers there might help.

Just a gentle reminder to you guys that if you do venture out sleuthing together, don't do it under the WS name. You'll be meeting as individuals, not part of a WS sanctioned group, KWIM?

Also, this a crime/missing persons forum. Set and example and make sure you let someone at home know where you are meeting, who you are meeting, etc.

 

[LotsaLatte]

LotsaLatte, which Superior Court did you use to find Mark T. H..........? The county we're in does not register a Superior Ct.

Trying to catch up here between family and other stuff. Okay, I found it when I searched the site below - go to "name search."

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

 

[LotsaLatte]

Hi BeyondBelief, I do have the feeling that if Lindsey has passed she will be found very close to home.

Yes, the main roads lead right out of town and all, but if someone took her for sexual purposes and had his eye on her for awhile, I don't think he would wait to drive a ways with a screaming Lindsey in the car. She would know something was up and want out, don't you think.
I keep going back to that water tower area which is not too far down the road. I read her scent was sniffed there and who knows where I read that or if it is true.

As is so common in cases like this I think he did something to her right away to silence her once she realized what was up. I don't think he would be able to hide his intentions from her.

Above bolded by me. If someone knew her family and told her that her mom (example) said to take her somewhere, who knows? She wouldn't necessarily panic or find it odd.
This is so frustrating.

 

[cyberswept]

Just a gentle reminder to you guys that if you do venture out sleuthing together, don't do it under the WS name. You'll be meeting as individuals, not part of a WS sanctioned group, KWIM?

Also, this a crime/missing persons forum. Set and example and make sure you let someone at home know where you are meeting, who you are meeting, etc.

Good advice PotatoHead. I know not to use the WS name and I am also very diplomatic in my approach. I have a quote I live by: "Diplomacy: The art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way, that they actually look forward to the trip." Not that I am going to tell someone where to go... just a quote I keep in my head.

I also propose we meet in a very public location if the others are up for it, since we don't actually know each other.

My wish is to simply lend my support to the members venturing out taking pictures and asking questions. So I offer my help and if it's refused, no hard feelings.

 

[jnTexas]

Can someone give me a hint as to the last name of Mark H? I would like to do some digging, but I Don't know what last name to use...Thx

 

[boondock]

Above bolded by me. If someone knew her family and told her that her mom (example) said to take her somewhere, who knows? She wouldn't necessarily panic or find it odd.
This is so frustrating.

I agree with LotsaLatte. Also if it were someone Lindsey admired, say a friend's older brother for example, she may have felt lucky to be getting a ride or going somewhere with this person. I say that from my own personal experience at 12 when a 24 year old guy took an interest in me and I was flattered. I won't go into detail but I was very lucky that when I was with this guy someone came looking for him, calling his name and he left me alone. The reality of the situation did not dawn on me until years later.

 

[boondock]

Can someone give me a hint as to the last name of Mark H? I would like to do some digging, but I Don't know what last name to use...Thx

Mark always makes me think of those expensive German figurines.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ok
I'll try my best to say what I'm trying to say....
I've talked a few times about my past abuse.... I kept it a secret for a long time....Even when I was an adult, I kept it a secret....
I never planned on telling anyone or going to the police...
When I found out years ago I was having a girl of my own, something snapped in me and I finally spoke up to this person and told him he was never going to be a part of my daughter's life.
I made sure that happened, but I was still living with a huge horrible secret from almost everyone and the police didn't know.
For a while, I thought that was enough and then I started hanging out here.
I started to see that it really wasn't only about me. That there are so many kids out there that are abused and even worse.... Kidnapped and killed. . I started to realize
that I had to do my part to get even just this one person off the streets. The least I could do is try to make if so he has to register as a RSO.
So I finally decided to go to the police and now we wait. . The waiting part is so hard, but at least I feel like I finally did what I had to do and hopefully it will save some other little girl from being his next victim.
I also recently found out that another family member did something to another child.
he's been reported too, but again with the waiting.
It really sucks that I know at least two sex offenders that are out there that are NOT registered and not everyone has a chance to be warned about, but I'm trying my best..

Hugs, Soyesterday~ It isn't about Lindsey directly perhaps, but then it may be since we don't know what happened to her.

Speaking out against your offender is a brave message to send to everyone. The actions you have taken now will make a difference in the life of a child that you will never have to hear about being abused in the future by this person. By standing up and ending his reign of terror, you have put a stop to one more! If more people were brave enough to speak out, we could someday make a dent in what is the sickest part of our society today.

People keep asking how do we prevent case after case of our children being abused and going missing. This is exactly how. We put them in prison and we keep putting them in prison. One by one. Too many are hiding behind their families who are afraid to do what you are doing and I applaud you for being strong. Bravo!! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Haddie McFaddies Mom]

Mark always makes me think of those expensive German figurines.

Will you be on my team if we ever play password? That was awesome ~

 

[McCleary]

It was marked on a map a couple of threads ago! It is southeast of town, and I remember a road that ran easterly of a main road in town and wound up a bit northerly and straightened out to the tower. Looking on a map and drawing a line north-south at the most easterly part of McCleary, it sits to the east a bit and I think about level with where you get on Hwy 8 from McCleary.

I'll go look for that map.


ETA: I'm back to thread #3 and think that little winding road you see in the bottom right hand corner of this photo is the road up to the water tower. Not sure and need some local confirmation ;}

Yes the little bit of road you can see at the bottom right is the road up to the water...and the little bit of a clearing you can see on the right-hand side near the bottom behind the hospital looks like the edge of the clearing the water tower is in.

 

[McCleary]

Worth reading if you haven't explored MCCleary's history yet.
McCleary – Thumbnail History
http://www.washington.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8046

Also a photo of what the town looked like as a "company town".
Bootleg was popular.
What I am driving at is that there are all kinds of abandoned factories, buildings, homes, etc. Which means theres abandoned wells all over the area.

There really isn't all that much abandoned around here...a few mills on the outskirts of town along the railroad tracks but most things get torn down pretty quickly so they can put in a new development, even the old grange...and the original city water came from the creek upstream from town, so there weren't a lot of wells, and most of them that I know of are still in use today. I know this because there are still remnants of the wooden pipes that were used to direct the water into town along the creek if you know where to look and some of the old families have told me stories about the area while I was growing up.

Many of the old homesteads have been bulldozed and built into developments, so it's possible there was a well somewhere that got covered over but not completely filled in, but iirc (I'll have to call my grandparents and ask) most private wells were filled in when the city put in the town water supply.

 

[Kateyes]

Dear Lord -this case and several others are so frustrating. How do so many people disappear without a trace- no evidence found, etc. I came here before I went to bed hoping there had been a break in this case. Instead, there is a standstill. Very baffling, and I agree with Scandi that she will be found close to home, if she has passed. And the longer Lindsey is missing the more I fear she has met with foul play. Does anyone know if her father was granted a change in his orders so he does not have to go to Iraq at this difficult time?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I haven't heard anything about them changing his orders or him asking for a change.

 

[jvk]

Jvk, I'll go with guys too if you think having more numbers there might help.

Just a gentle reminder to you guys that if you do venture out sleuthing together, don't do it under the WS name. You'll be meeting as individuals, not part of a WS sanctioned group, KWIM?

Also, this a crime/missing persons forum. Set and example and make sure you let someone at home know where you are meeting, who you are meeting, etc.

Good advice PotatoHead. I know not to use the WS name and I am also very diplomatic in my approach. I have a quote I live by: "Diplomacy: The art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way, that they actually look forward to the trip." Not that I am going to tell someone where to go... just a quote I keep in my head.

I also propose we meet in a very public location if the others are up for it, since we don't actually know each other.

My wish is to simply lend my support to the members venturing out taking pictures and asking questions. So I offer my help and if it's refused, no hard feelings.

When i walked around town i went as/for myself. First time i'd done this for an investigation, but a lot of similaraties to prior stuff i've done before.

I have some exp w/being kicked off/out of property, dirty looks, slandered, harassed, threatened, people hiding from the camera etc. - LE not excluded.

In 2 diff situations i'd mentioned WS. Primarily because of it being the base of where my photos were going to be.

I talked about WS (& SM) w/KK & another time when i was stopped by the feds.

Doing things in a group is not something i'm terribly familiar with. I can see it having advantages & disadvantages.

It was mostly calm waters when i was there (edit: the last 2 times) - but tolerance could be just a brief wind blowing through town.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow. I didn't know you got stopped by the Feds. Impressive.

 

[jvk]

Yeah they just wanted to know what i was up to.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I bet they did!! Glad to know they were on the lookout for "odd" behavior. LOL

 

[momtective]

I bet they did!! Glad to know they were on the lookout for "odd" behavior. LOL

Yep, that'd be us at WS...."odd behavior." :floorlaugh:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Speaking of "odd" behavior and WSers...you should check out the Dream thread.