WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #8

[coastal]

Lordie Dot, Crack me up! What would be more fun is to buy the Old McCleary Hotel and have interviews in the parlor! Laughter is often needed when sleuthing. xox

PS: Don't I know you from ILK-dom?

But but but what about that big 'ol happy bear?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It's not illegal to approach someone and say "hey, I lost my dog do you mind helping me find it?" Just like it's not illegal to approach someone and ask for directions or what time it is.

It wouldn't have even been illegal if the child would have (willingly) gotten into the van with him. It becomes illegal if he doesn't let the child back out of the car or if he touches the child inappropriatly.

That is why we need to teach our children to never ever willingly get into a car with someone other than who we tell them to (even if they know them)

I'm not sure about that one. When a person is trying to entice a child with the purpose of isolating them, I think it is considered a crime...but I will check on it to make certain.

 

[scandi]

IMO it might be best to keep them separate, but i guess it doesn't matter.

Morning Jvk, Thanks for your post this morning. I'm still a bit fuzzy from lack of sleep after a late night here, but am trying to understand you fully.

What she was describing was a SW like you have pictured in your post with round lights as she had described to you from what the kids said. But in acutality the car you photographed which prompted a stop and request so they could get a copy of it, was a SW that was dirty and with square headlights.

It could be the inconsistancy of her statement and the coincidence of that dirty SW pulling up and parking at the house of one of her neighbors that raised the eyebrow of the one who stopped you. They were possibly watching and waiting to get proof of the car this was driving. Or knew the car and wanted to see who is driving it around. ???

Thanks and if you want me to delete this post I will. xox

 

[scandi]

But but but what about that big 'ol happy bear?

LOL We could have a service deliver the finest Washington State huckleberries from Mt Adams for him to eat ;}

 

[coastal]

LOL We could have a service deliver the finest Washington State huckleberries from Mt Adams for him to eat ;}

Yeah, and maybe then he'd be so grateful we could train him to eat SOs.

 

[scandi]

Yeah, and maybe then he'd be so grateful we could train him to eat SOs.

Now there you go! Are you willing to do the training?

PS: He looks pretty big and burly sitting there next to that tree. LOL

 

[JenniferO]

I'm not sure about that one. When a person is trying to entice a child with the purpose of isolating them, I think it is considered a crime...but I will check on it to make certain.

I very well could be incorrect. I can't seem to find what i'm looking for via google. My laptop is on it's last legs so it's slow at loading webpages. Maybe I just don't have enough patience to find what I need. lol

 

[jvk]

But in acutality the car you photographed which prompted a stop and request so they could get a copy of it

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.

 

[scandi]

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.

Thanks Jvk, Did you get a photo of him since he was there briefly?

 

[cyberswept]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32072451

Check out this line of that news report:

"But as of right now, they are not sure any crime has been committed."

Maybe there needs to be a Luring Law. Just like there are other laws based on intent, perhaps this needs to be made a crime. Anyone who is legitimately looking for a lost puppy or assistance of some sort wouldn't run or drive away. They'd stay and look for the puppy or seek assistance somewhere else nearby.

I mean if you can be arrested for stalking or have a restraining order thrown on you for no real reason, why not one for luring a child? No one lures a child into a situation with good intentions in these cases. By the time a crime is commited, the perp usually has them hidden from view and then it's too late.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The photographing of the car had nothing to do with the (reason of the) stop. - I informed them.

The coincidence of the SW pulling up was a bit strange. (combined with the person who exited) - But that SW didn't fully match the description.

That station wagon was only there briefly, possibly dropping something off or getting something. - it wasn't quite clear what he was doing.

How odd you should mention this when I was posting on the Dream thread at the same time (actually 6 minutes before)!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe there needs to be a Luring Law. Just like there are other laws based on intent, perhaps this needs to be made a crime. Anyone who is legitimately looking for a lost puppy or assistance of some sort wouldn't run or drive away. They'd stay and look for the puppy or seek assistance somewhere else nearby.

I mean if you can be arrested for stalking or have a restraining order thrown on you for no real reason, why not one for luring a child? No one lures a child into a situation with good intentions in these cases. By the time a crime is commited, the perp usually has them hidden from view and then it's too late.

There is in Florida, but I haven't found out about WA yet.

Chapter 787: Kidnapping; False Imprisonment; Luring or Enticing a Child; Custody Offenses

787.025 Luring or enticing a child.

http://www.rpfoley.com/lawyer-attorney-1218890.html BBM

 

[jvk]

Thanks Jvk, Did you get a photo of him since he was there briefly?

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

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& i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Jennifer? Would you mind fixing my spelling in my quote? I spelled enticing wrong and it will drive me nuts. Thanks~ (Yes...this is my OCD kicking in or something like it. LOL)

Please don't quote this cause I am going to delete it.

There is also a Federal Luring Law. However, the way it is stated with the example may or may not apply to enticing them with a ruse to get them into a vehicle.

Luring any individual, including a child, by knowingly persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing any person to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution or sexual activity that constitutes a criminal offense violates federal law. See 18 U.S.C. § 2422. An example of luring would occur if an adult found a child in a chat room and used email correspondence with the child to persuade the child meet him with the intent that the child engage in sexual activity.

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide_trafficking.html

Also, Megan's Law may cover luring and enticing...still checking.

 

[scandi]

How odd you should mention this when I was posting on the Dream thread at the same time (actually 6 minutes before)!

How interesting. It could be he never expected to see a photographer standing close by and cut his visit short! And would be a darn good reason to request a few photos.

It seems to be adding up even though I do have a fertile imagination ;}

 

[SeriouslySearching]

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

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Did you capture the tag number as he was driving away?

 

[scandi]

'No' - In the front picture i believe the drivers side pillar is in the way. I can look @ the front w/higher res (later, don't have it here) but i think i already did before & don't recall it being useful (for that purpose)

In the rear picture it's him driving away.

That being said i gave a very good/fresh description to the guys who stopped me ... ...

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Thanks so much for that Jvk. Did you have any inkling you were in their scope as you stood there talking and taking photos? I'm just wondering how covert they were.

ETA: It is impressive to me they had this little area in McCleary under observation. Organized but oh so quiet about it they probably blended right into the landscape!

 

[jvk]

Did you capture the tag number as he was driving away?

Yep, and i told them i had that when they stopped me ...

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& i am told to 'report this down there so it gets back to us' .........

 

[jvk]

Thanks so much for that Jvk. Did you have any inkling you were in their scope as you stood there talking and taking photos? I'm just wondering how covert they were.

I wasn't really watching for people who were watching me. It's possible either way.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Can you give a vague description to us at least? The only thing I know is that he is a male. LOL