WA - Mackenzie Cowell, 17, Wenatchee, 9 Feb 2010 - #14

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  • #121
Hi pufnstuf. Please edit your timeline. I made corrections to this:

VDD - When Mackenzie was 12 (not 14), WC took out a restraining order against VDD, who was 5 ?? years old at the time that he was involved with MC.
 
  • #122
pufnstuf- I have something to change on your timeline.

The RUMOR that MC and JV recently broke up is FALSE.

FACT: MC & JV did break up about 8 months ago and got back together after a few days. They were very much together and going strong before all of this happened.

This comes straight from JV to me.

Hmmm, it takes two to tango. Isn't that difference of opinion why problems happen sometimes in relationships? I don't know if I would believe that at face value. But, it is certainly as strong a rumor as possible given the circumstances. Thanks.
 
  • #123
I personlly don't know JL but I believe he has nothing to do with his case he is simply a photographer from Wenatchee. I know a few people who had done shoots with him that have not complained about him being creepy or making them do anything sexual/or anything that would make them feel uncomfortable. From what I have heard he is a nice person and just because he went or held a dance for Mackenzie doesn't really make him a POI. There isn't anythind leading toward him personally knowing Mac. So I believe you guys are mistaken


I totally agree. There's simply scant, if any, info or evidence indicating JL is other than what he represents himself to be. And, there certainly isn't anything tying him to MC's murder.
 
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My opinion: having the trial in Douglas County is bad news. This county, from time to time, works through the good-old-boy network. There have been many cases where because of perpetrator/LE relationships, things are over looked or special treatment is given. There are people who should have been arrested for things that they did but were not because they had a relative that was a politician or officer in Douglas and Chelan County. In addition there have been several cases that had to be handed over to the State Patrol because of LE wrong doing or conflicts, after the fact. Not good news!!!!

While I have no knowledge of any issues with the MC case, if the suspect is high profile or has family that is a high profile figure in the valley, LE may notify the family, keep tabs on the suspect, and not arrest until everything on both sides is ready to go to trial.

I hope I am wrong!
 
  • #126
VDD is 11/16/88

JV was a senior in 06/07 so he would be 21 now, or very close to it...


If his DOB is in fact 11/16/88, he's definitely 21. He'll be 22 in November.

I was a senior in 06-07 as well and I'll be 21 in May, but my birth year is 1989.
 
  • #127
If his DOB is in fact 11/16/88, he's definitely 21. He'll be 22 in November.

I was a senior in 06-07 as well and I'll be 21 in May, but my birth year is 1989.

VDD is a fact. It is from court records.
JV is an estimate from newspaper articles from his bb games and he is listed as a senior and it was Nov 06. He must be 21 or VERY close to that...
 
  • #128
VDD is a fact. It is from court records.
JV is an estimate from newspaper articles from his bb games and he is listed as a senior and it was Nov 06. He must be 21 or VERY close to that...

I believe that its the truth that he is 21. He has taken and passed 2 lie detector tests, which I'm sure would bring out that information if that were the case. He has given DNA, passwords to every account, access to his computer and has given the LE everything they have asked for and has been cleared.

:yes:
 
  • #129
snipped...

How odd that the coroner is the same person as the prosecutor. Seems like that would be a conflict of interest in some cases.

Steve Clem is prosecuting attorney. Dr. Gina F is the coroner.
 
  • #130
:woohoo:

Any way you can tell us how you got the pix? And any clue who the woman beside him is? TIA!

I would like to say :bow: to my source. It was from a social networking site, and it is 1000% fact. (actually infinite) The networking site does not belong to said individual. I could go on, but :silenced:...
 
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I personlly don't know JL but I believe he has nothing to do with his case he is simply a photographer from Wenatchee. I know a few people who had done shoots with him that have not complained about him being creepy or making them do anything sexual/or anything that would make them feel uncomfortable. From what I have heard he is a nice person and just because he went or held a dance for Mackenzie doesn't really make him a POI. There isn't anythind leading toward him personally knowing Mac. So I believe you guys are mistaken

Charm is one of the key qualities of a serial killer. So being "nice" is not confirming data for me. What I do see is that he has questionable behaviors focused towards young girls----he may not be the pedophile himself but he may be taking pics and putting them on the net for those that are. Does that mean he could murder? No. I am still not sure one way or the other on him.
 
  • #133
In Douglas County, the Prosecuting Attorney also serves as the County Coroner and is responsible for investigating unattended deaths in order to determine how the deaths occurred.

http://www.douglascountywa.net/departments/prosecutingatty/default.asp

My understanding was that Dr. Fina is on contract to perform some of the autopsies. I thought she did the autopsy and he was present. I am not convinced he did the actual autopsy.

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/mar/12/teen-was-stabbed-strangled/
 
  • #134
I totally agree. There's simply scant, if any, info or evidence indicating JL is other than what he represents himself to be. And, there certainly isn't anything tying him to MC's murder.


I agree about JL, and also believe that JV is not guilty. That's just my heart-felt opinion; esp-guess. I don't think VDD is guilty, either. I am guessing those three guys are all innocent.

SO, WHO is guilty??:waitasec:
 
  • #135
I just spoke to a close friend who offered some insight on the case...
She said that she believes MC was involved with a female gang and she was unable to get out of it. She then stated that she recently spoke to a man whose daughter was a friend of MC. Apparently the night before MC's disappearance, MC attended an underage drinking party in the south end of town. This man's daughter arrived at the party and began looking for MC... after she asked around the party to MC's whereabouts she was jumped. The girl was beaten so bad she was hospitalized and concussed. Apparently the attackers were members of this girl gang. The next day, MC disappeared. I do not know if MC was present at the party when the girl was jumped.

So perhaps she told a fellow gang member that she wanted out of the gang and they retaliated..? According to my friend, this type of killing (strangle/stabbing) is to send a message to others. So, there is likely others (gang members) who aware of MC disappearance and murder and are too afraid to say anything - obviously. This is consistent with LE's statements and pleas for someone to step forward.

It was also mentioned that MC had TWO boyfriends... one her age and the other around 27.

My friend has a lot of contacts in the valleys including fire, law, elected officials, etc. Her insight and theory has surely grabbed my attention.

What do you think?

If this story is true, I would think it would have been published in the WW? And/or there would be a log of the police call that the girl's parents made? And some evidence of the girl at the hospital?

Do you have anything concrete to back this story up? Has anyone else found anything?

TIA,

Salem
 
  • #136
I just spoke to a close friend who offered some insight on the case...
She said that she believes MC was involved with a female gang and she was unable to get out of it. She then stated that she recently spoke to a man whose daughter was a friend of MC. Apparently the night before MC's disappearance, MC attended an underage drinking party in the south end of town. This man's daughter arrived at the party and began looking for MC... after she asked around the party to MC's whereabouts she was jumped. The girl was beaten so bad she was hospitalized and concussed. Apparently the attackers were members of this girl gang. The next day, MC disappeared. I do not know if MC was present at the party when the girl was jumped.

So perhaps she told a fellow gang member that she wanted out of the gang and they retaliated..? According to my friend, this type of killing (strangle/stabbing) is to send a message to others. So, there is likely others (gang members) who aware of MC disappearance and murder and are too afraid to say anything - obviously. This is consistent with LE's statements and pleas for someone to step forward.

It was also mentioned that MC had TWO boyfriends... one her age and the other around 27.

My friend has a lot of contacts in the valleys including fire, law, elected officials, etc. Her insight and theory has surely grabbed my attention.

What do you think?

If the beaten girl was taken to the hospital, there would be record of it, because the hospital would report the incident to the police. I wish I knew where to find a police report.
 
  • #137
Snipped by me because of length.
I just spoke to a close friend who offered some insight on the case...
She said that she believes MC was involved with a female gang and she was unable to get out of it. She then stated that she recently spoke to a man whose daughter was a friend of MC. Apparently the night before MC's disappearance, MC attended an underage drinking party in the south end of town. This man's daughter arrived at the party and began looking for MC... after she asked around the party to MC's whereabouts she was jumped. The girl was beaten so bad she was hospitalized and concussed. Apparently the attackers were members of this girl gang. The next day, MC disappeared. I do not know if MC was present at the party when the girl was jumped.

If this story is true, I would think it would have been published in the WW? And/or there would be a log of the police call that the girl's parents made? And some evidence of the girl at the hospital?

Do you have anything concrete to back this story up? Has anyone else found anything?

TIA,

Salem

I was thinking about this scenario and recalled RC saying that MC was late for her curfew at 8:00 the night she went missing. So, would he have let MC go out on a Monday night, a school night?
 
  • #138
My understanding was that Dr. Fina is on contract to perform some of the autopsies. I thought she did the autopsy and he was present. I am not convinced he did the actual autopsy.

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/mar/12/teen-was-stabbed-strangled/

That is my understanding as well.

Dr. Gina Fino is a Forensic Pathologist, who is on contract with the county to perform autopsies.

I do not think that Steve Clem, performed Mackenzie's autopsy either. I only posted from the article that stated he was the county prosecutor and the county coroner.

A coroner is an official who presides over the handling of dead bodies. In different nations, the meaning of the office is different, and the coroner has different areas of responsibility and authority. In most cases, the coroner handles administrative tasks which relate to the deceased, such as collecting bodies, identifying them, determining cause of death, granting exhumation requests, testifying in court, and releasing bodies to their families.

Source
 
  • #139
Does anyone know if the strangling and stabbing is a common killing method for gangs?

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article...r_Hess_(17)_to_death_and_then_burned_her_body

Yes a couple of threads back I researched gangs and found ones that use dismemberment, bats to the head (and left by the body), and knife slashings to the throat, plus tags at their killing sites----all behaviors that are rumored to be what happened to poor MC. If indeed the killer left a knife in her back as was rumored then that is to me a VERY significant indicator of how much rage the person had towards MC. The behaviors listed above are used by some of the most violent gangs in our country that migrate through rural areas to initiate and intimidate local gangs-----there is no evidence that Wenatchee has one of those types of gangs on a regular basis but there is lots of evidence that the Highway 97 corridor up from L.A. and Mexico is a major drug trafficking and migrating gang corridor.
 
  • #140
I agree about JL, and also believe that JV is not guilty. That's just my heart-felt opinion; esp-guess. I don't think VDD is guilty, either. I am guessing those three guys are all innocent.

SO, WHO is guilty??:waitasec:

Can you share what data makes you think VDD is not guilty?
 
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