WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

[Cortne]

Big time trouble. Can’t believe he was able to pull this off!!

 

[Gardenista]

Of course, people who fly will pay any cost that is not covered by business loss. But, there are many things we (those who fly) pay for that are just as egregious but we don't know.

Correct!

 

[kaen]

No, I won't stop posting my opinion. What he did was very selfish. He isn't a tragic hero to be admired.

I can respect your opinion. I do respect your opinion. I am not asking you to censor your opinion. I was asking you to stop using a generalization about a group of people and paint him with that same brush. There are millions of millennials who have never done anything to anyone. This may have been his first foray into selfishness or wanting to be famous. His actions may not necessary fit into a neat social science study, survey, or opinion piece.

I agree that he was selfish and unaware of the heartache and chaos he would cause. I don't think you have many who would argue that he is a hero.

 

[Gardenista]

I agree that he was selfish and unaware of the heartache and chaos he would cause. I don't think you have many who would argue that he is a hero.

He was fully aware. Go back and read the transcripts or listen to the audio. He literally talks about it.

 

[Gardenista]

Here's the island today

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156177228614024

 

[kaen]

He was fully aware. Go back and read the transcripts or listen to the audio. He literally talks about it.

Yes. And, I don't think he understood the full scope of how it would affect his family, coworkers, the people on the ground. He certainly seemed somewhat aware but I don't think fully. But, that is my opinion.

 

[Lilibet]

From my limited knowledge of this man, I have no idea what he meant about the promotion racist or otherwise.

What he did was terrifying, not unlike other public suicides. That said, hearing his thinking process and his calm demeanor gives a very interesting view into his state of mind. He had clearly decided to commit suicide by plane crash. He didn't appear to be sobbing or sad but rather resolute with a plan.

I am watching so many (in the media) readers comment about good flying and seeing him as heroic. I think most of it comes from the peacefulness and kindness he expressed toward others--not wanting to mess up the runway, sorry to have puked in the plane, etc. The fact that he had no clue that he could have killed people on the ground speaks (to me anyway) that he was not thinking rationally--a guy who is so worried about messing up the runway and causing more work who at the same time could kill on the ground---and was quite ill.

I don't think he was a hero. I do think that he has touched people by the dialogue that has been released. He, by accounts I read, was kind, willing to switch shifts, loved to travel and explore, and took pride in his job. It is vexing and, I think, will cause people to see him favorably. That is the paradox here.

Beautiful post, kaen. I appreciate your analysis and ability to see the complex shades in this situation, not just black and white. Human beings, especially suicidal ones, are complex and multi-faceted. Heroes are flawed and villains have their good qualities. Rich was neither IMO. Even though he was lucid, I do not believe he was in his right mind. One doesn’t have to be in full-blown psychosis to be mentally ill. Depression and bipolar disorder are both considered mental illness. Whatever the case with Rich, I am truly sorry his life ended the way it did, and grateful he hurt no one else in the process. I can’t imagine what his wife and family are feeling right now. They certainly deserve our kindness, regardless of how someone might feel about Rich.
JMO

 

[CARIIS]

What? Do you live in one of these thousands of houses near the airport where he could have crashed at takeoff? Do you live on one of the islands? Do you work in the hundreds of business near Sea-Tac?

Didn't think so.

Please share the mental health diagnosis which excuses his racism.
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My sense is noone is excusing anything. However his interaction with ATC has bought a humorous angle to what is a tragedy.

I truly don't think anyone is minimizing things - plane jacking however is funny

does make the sitution funny but yes stealing a 74 seat passenger turbo prop does have some bad sit com angle to it

moo

 

[Lilibet]

The company.

And/or their insurance company. But I expect the insurance company will refuse under the circumstances. So yes, Alaska Air/Horizon will eat the cost.

 

[Gardenista]

Where is Ketron Island? Who lives there?

 

[gitana1]

Of course, people who fly will pay any cost that is not covered by business loss. But, there are many things we (those who fly) pay for that are just as egregious but we don't know.

That company is owned by Alaska Air who reported NET income of something like 372 million last year.

This loss. won't be translated to the customer.

NORAD: Fighter jets were trying to direct stolen plane over Pacific Ocean when it crashed

Two fighter jets were trying to redirect the stolen Horizon Air turboprop over the Pacific Ocean on Friday night when it crashed on an island off Steilacoom in Pierce County, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said in a news release Saturday morning.
NORAD: Fighter jets were trying to direct stolen plane over Pacific Ocean when it crashed

I wonder if he tried to crash or it was an accident at the end due to his inexperience as earlier reported.

In a odd way I feel nosey listening to the exchanges w air control. How incredibly sad and how regrettable I am over listening. Really pulls at my heart strings. And how amazing is it absolutely nobody else was killed!! Oh my my

Yeah. It's heart wrenching knowing those were someone's last moments.

His employer just said their company has mental health services available 24/7

Oh that's good. Glad they're publicizing it too.

No, I won't stop posting my opinion. What he did was very selfish. There have been posts on this thread making him an admirable, tragic hero. It is ignorant to glamorize such people.

Not one person has admired him or called him a hero.

This is a tragedy however.

 

[gitana1]

And/or their insurance company. But I expect the insurance company will refuse under the circumstances. So yes, Alaska Air/Horizon will eat the cost.

I run a business. It's not eating the cost. It's a business loss. Which means it's deducted from profits and lowers the net they pay taxes on.

It's really unlikely to change much for Alaskan airline shareholders. And certainly not the customers.

 

[Gardenista]

And/or their insurance company. But I expect the insurance company will refuse under the circumstances. So yes, Alaska Air/Horizon will eat the cost.

Yup, they'll pass it along to the customer.

 

[Lilibet]

Yeah. Remember the gal who went around the world with her husband, filming, instgramming and blogging the whole time who then killed herself upon the return?

People can have inner demons no one sees.

Leanne Bearden. That case really affected me. Someone can seem to have it all but feel empty inside.

And from following numerous suicide cases on WS, I have learned that suicide isn’t always a selfish act. Far from it. Quite often the person in unrelenting emotional pain comes to feel...erroneously...that everyone will be better off without them. That is the mental illness speaking to them and doesn’t reflect who they really are at their core. I have compassion for anyone who gets to that point.

 

[Gardenista]

Here's the island today

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156177228614024

About 32 minutes in they show the wreckage.

 

[flourish]

Yes. And, I don't think he understood the full scope of how it would affect his family, coworkers, the people on the ground. He certainly seemed somewhat aware but I don't think fully. But, that is my opinion.

There is a difference between having an idea and truly appreciating the gravity of a situation.

I also don't understand the need for some to be so degrading and cruel. It's very discouraging towards those with mental health issues... We want people to seek help, not discourage them.

 

[CARIIS]

I asked many people two simple questions: “Do you enjoy working as a ground service agent, why or why not?” and “What is your favorite travel experience using your flight benefits?” I found that my first round of interviews didn’t produce the best responses, because I took the first answer they gave, rather than inquire more to get more sound bites. I made my second round of interviews more personal, and conversational. Stretching out the interview also made it easier to dissect the responses, and created more airtime which helped the rearranging sound more natural. I received a lot of valuable feedback from my peers regarding my first audio draft.

RICHARD RUSSELL'S BLOG

he linked to this:

just fits his ATC behavior! moo

 

[Seattle1]

Where is Ketron Island? Who lives there?

Island is located between Tacoma and Gig Harbor, WA. You can see it while crossing the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. It's only accessible by ferry and to my knowledge no real structures on it that I've ever seen (no plumbing, septic, etc). More of a weekend fishing staging area....

Just read it has a population of 17 -- surprised me!

 

[CARIIS]

From my limited knowledge of this man, I have no idea what he meant about the promotion racist or otherwise.

What he did was terrifying, not unlike other public suicides. That said, hearing his thinking process and his calm demeanor gives a very interesting view into his state of mind. He had clearly decided to commit suicide by plane crash. He didn't appear to be sobbing or sad but rather resolute with a plan.

I am watching so many (in the media) readers comment about good flying and seeing him as heroic. I think most of it comes from the peacefulness and kindness he expressed toward others--not wanting to mess up the runway, sorry to have puked in the plane, etc. The fact that he had no clue that he could have killed people on the ground speaks (to me anyway) that he was not thinking rationally--a guy who is so worried about messing up the runway and causing more work who at the same time could kill on the ground---and was quite ill.

I don't think he was a hero. I do think that he has touched people by the dialogue that has been released. He, by accounts I read, was kind, willing to switch shifts, loved to travel and explore, and took pride in his job. It is vexing and, I think, will cause people to see him favorably. That is the paradox here.

Concur

like him just from his wildly sharp mind

it is sad more than anything

life is full of what ifs

in this case the only person that is deceased one that chose to be

 

[CARIIS]

I'm sad, so I'm going to go out and steal a semi truck because I want a lot of attention when I die. I could kill myself with Benadryl , cough syrup, and Jack Daniels, but no. I'm a selfish who needs attention. Screw the welfare of all others. I must become famous!

I've decided to drive my stolen semi truck on Interstate 95 with pregnant women, elderly people, and children in cars near me. Then I'm going to see I can do one of those stunts like I saw on Live Free or Die Hard. You guys okay with that?

(This is only an analogy. Don't send the cops to my house.)

Hi granny

somewhat surprised by your anger

no one got hurt

that movie catch me if you can i think was a hit

there is something totally bewildering and amusing about stealing a airliner and do a blue hornets routine imo