WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

[Lilibet]

His employer just said their company has mental health services available 24/7

I also don't understand the need for some to be so degrading and cruel. It's very discouraging towards those with mental health issues... We want people to seek help, not discourage them.

Even though a company has mental health services available, cruel judgement about mental health issues by society as a whole (reflected in comments here) creates a stigma that can make it even harder to ask for help. Not to mention the fact that someone in a depressed/suicidal state may simply lack the emotional energy to seek help.

 

[Maia_1011]

The actual aircraft involved:

N423QX Horizon Air De Havilland Canada DHC-8-400

 

[CARIIS]

Looking at other threads here and based on what I've seen in the general public, media, world at large - people usually treat those who attempt or complete suicide with compassion and sadness, even grief. Robin Williams, Kate Spade, Anthony Bourdain (and others) all have threads here filled with supportive, kind posts, and people sharing stories of their own bouts with suicidal ideation or memories of loved ones lost to suicide. Why should this man be treated any differently? Doesn't he deserve our compassion too? Can we say mental illness is only an illness to a certain point, but once you do something dangerous or say something unpopular you no longer have to be treated as someone who is sick? Instead of an individual suffering immense pain you are a ?

Hi honey

I too am bewildered by the anger

it is imo far more sad than anger but at the end of the day it is funny

i do not honestly think there is anyone here that did not, upon first hearing the atc tapes being released and heard for the first time that did not have several laugh at loud moments

his timing and voice inflections were incredible

no i am not condoning

at the same time if we just look at this thread in terms of posting times we all will see as the story got out, the tapes more widespread the thread markedly picked up.

If we think about that - there are reasons for that

 

[Doghairrules]

She was rather stupid. "Are you sure he's not going to hit us?" As he clearly turned and is flying away.
But I can only imagine how intense that would have felt live. And scary.

Yep. I think maybe she is a highly anxious person on a regular day and this was anything but regular. I can see where she kept thinking all he had to do was turn around and point at them.

 

[Seattle1]

About 32 minutes in they show the wreckage.

Thanks Gardenista - you never let us down!!

 

[Doghairrules]

Did you see the name of the top reviewer of that product? I'm sure it is a coincidence but eerie.

Super interesting. This Richie buys models too...

 

[Gardenista]

The actual aircraft involved:

N423QX Horizon Air De Havilland Canada DHC-8-400

Are you sure? I was thinking it is N449QX

 

[PaulR]

Agree. The mocking is disturbing and uncalled for. Whatever, it speaks volumes about the speaker and not much about the target.

It's hard to ask for help. First it takes the ability to recognize that something is wrong. And in my experience, men have a harder time seeking help. Mr flourish used to have panic attacks, but didn't want to seek help for a long time because he thought he'd look like a "pu***."

I suffer from depression and have friends who have mental health issues. We go to therapy, we cope however we can, we deal with it, it's not easy. This man decided to steal a plane, put people in danger because he had zero flight experience, and crashed it on an inhabited island.

I believe there was a plane crash in the alps caused by a suicidal pilot, and then there is Malaysian 370. This is not going to help the cause of people with mental health issues being involved in aviation.

 

[Lilibet]

Are you sure? I was thinking it is N449QX

According to this and other articles:

The plane was a Q400, a Bombardier turboprop plane, one of about 40 the airline has in its fleet.

Airline employee steals plane from Seattle airport, crashes and dies - CNN

 

[Hatfield]

I don't think he got shot down. Not there. They would've chosen over open water instead of an island.

He said he didn't really plan on landing. He did a barrel roll and when he made it they tried to get him to land but he said he hoped the was it. He also said before the barrel roll that if he could do it he was going to nose dive after and end it.

He said he was sorry to disappoint people.

I think he just broke. And was very suicidal but not quite thinking it all through.

His comments about the beauty of the mountains, wanting to find the Orca mother and her baby and how all the beautiful sights just went by so quick, was devastating. He sounded so full of curiosity and wonder, even as he was ending his life.

It got to me.

So sad.

I wonder if the lack of cabin pressure affected his apparant euforic feeling he seemed to be having. I dont think his altitude was all that high up but he mentioned something about feeling light headed and have to wonder if the cabin pressure or lack of it had anything to do with making the situation worse or not on him.

He obviously was suicidal to begin with and just wondering if apoxia or something like it could have exacperated the situation for him.

Its really sad. Prayers for family and friends who will be affected by this.

 

[CARIIS]

Desperate to be famous. He spent so much time filming his road trip TO PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA that he didn't have much time to enjoy it.
New Data Reveals Just How Desperately Millennials Want To Be Famous

In most I have never bought into all that desire to be famous stuff.

In most instances where this theme comes up IMO the reality is these folks dont know who they are , want to be , lost, confused , and in a rage,

IMO most have no idea (nor care ) about what the news is doing. I def dont think Batman Homes is sitting in his cell feeling awesome and stuff. I dont think the Parkland shooter is either. I dont think most of these folks are news lovers. Their disconnected and ill. The notion that Homes was thinking I am gonna so famous imo is just not true. His problem was he was the joker.

I do not think the planned parenthood dude is all caught up in his tv coverage.

I dont think the FOrt Lauderdale shooter is in that place either

nor the cascade mall shooter

that imo is a creation of ours - not their reality moo THey dont have a reality - there having tremendous problems living in the here and now. I dont think many are focused on a legacy of theirs . Zuckerberg probably steve jobs in all likelihood - Cruz not so much !

serial killers yea - mass shooters imo not so much holmes is sitting in a coma on a jail bed drugged out of his mind - parkland will be the same for the rest of his existence.

The canada apt shooter the other day probably the same

most of em

Elliot different

In this instance I think this was about being done - loving aviation - and his final bucketlist was to do some acrobatics in a commercial jetliner .

He did it. and died.

there was no insincerity in the many many times he verbalized a total want not to hurt or damage anything and he did not

he left exhilarated

much of his SM content was about aviation - and what air travel can do.

But if each of us are to be honest with one another - the actual truth here is media corporations only give us what we say we want.

It is a business deal.

there are direct correlations about the legs any story has - and we decide that .

That is directly correlated to the number of people killed. Pulse LV and Paris were huge . Mass shootings are mass shootings. Why was Lv so huge -- body count . Sorry but that is the reality.

If we want to do fame -- the more killed the more fame. But Paddock and Omar are dead - so the notion that this is about fame for them comes back to us .

That is clearly seen here. We are just a representative of our society .

Most of these folks are not aware or seeking fame - the accidental truth is we give them the airtime - they don't take it

As I mentioned a moment ago .............the speed of this thread markedly increased as the story became widespread ....................he is dead ..............that is about us (society not WS)

moo

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Even though a company has mental health services available, cruel judgement about mental health issues by society as a whole (reflected in comments here) creates a stigma that can make it even harder to ask for help. Not to mention the fact that someone in a depressed/suicidal state may simply lack the emotional energy to seek help.

I challenge you to find ONE mental health diagnosis (besides personality disorders, catatonia and psychosis-he wasn’t catatonic or psychotic )that lists extreme unconcern for others aka selfishness as a symptom.

 

[CARIIS]

Desperate to be famous. He spent so much time filming his road trip TO PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA that he didn't have much time to enjoy it.
New Data Reveals Just How Desperately Millennials Want To Be Famous

In most I have never bought into all that desire to be famous stuff.

In most instances where this theme comes up IMO the reality is these folks dont know who they are , want to be , lost, confused , and in a rage,

IMO most have no idea (nor care ) about what the news is doing. I def dont think Batman Homes is sitting in his cell feeling awesome and stuff. I dont think the Parkland shooter is either. I dont think most of these folks are news lovers. Their disconnected and ill. The notion that Homes was thinking I am gonna so famous imo is just not true. His problem was he was the joker.

I do not think the planned parenthood dude is all caught up in his tv coverage.

I dont think the FOrt Lauderdale shooter is in that place either

nor the cascade mall shooter

that imo is a creation of ours - not their reality moo THey dont have a reality - there having tremendous problems living in the here and now. I dont think many are focused on a legacy of theirs . Zuckerberg probably steve jobs in all likelihood - Cruz not so much !

serial killers yea - mass shooters imo not so much holmes is sitting in a coma on a jail bed drugged out of his mind - parkland will be the same for the rest of his existence.

The canada apt shooter the other day probably the same

most of em

Elliot different

In this instance I think this was about being done - loving aviation - and his final bucketlist was to do some acrobatics in a commercial jetliner .

He did it. and died.

there was no insincerity in the many many times he verbalized a total want not to hurt or damage anything and he did not

he left exhilarated

much of his SM content was about aviation - and what air travel can do.

But if each of us are to be honest with one another - the actual truth here is media corporations only give us what we say we want.

It is a business deal.

there are direct correlations about the legs any story has - and we decide that .

That is directly correlated to the number of people killed. Pulse LV and Paris were huge . Mass shootings are mass shootings. Why was Lv so huge -- body count . Sorry but that is the reality.

If we want to do fame -- the more killed the more fame. But Paddock and Omar are dead - so the notion that this is about fame for them comes back to us .

That is clearly seen here. We are just a representative of our society .

Most of these folks are not aware or seeking fame - the accidental truth is we give them the airtime - they don't take it

As I mentioned a moment ago .............the speed of this thread markedly increased as the story became widespread ....................he is dead ..............that is about us (society not WS)

moo

 

[Lilibet]

I suffer from depression and have friends who have mental health issues. We go to therapy, we cope however we can, we deal with it, it's not easy. This man decided to steal a plane, put people in danger because he had zero flight experience, and crashed it on an inhabited island.

I believe there was a plane crash in the alps caused by a suicidal pilot, and then there is Malaysian 370. This is not going to help the cause of people with mental health issues being involved in aviation.

Whether people with mental health issues should be involved in aviation (or any other employment involving safety) is a possible topic for a different thread. No one here has made a case for that on this thread. It is not a “cause” needing help that Rich just damaged.

I think we can all agree that just because you and your friends and my friends and I manage to cope with depression, others may not have the insight or support to do so, partly due to the stigma society places on any mental illness at all. Rich did a stupid, dangerous thing. We can still muster up compassion for the inner struggle he lost.
JMO

 

[CARIIS]

And then...nothing. I hope the company has a good medical plan for its employees that includes mental health coverage, and encourages employees to use it.

The plane is a deductible business loss. The company will likely have to bear clean up costs as well.

I am telling ya - I shut down about three minutes into the presser oh brother this is gonna be a heap of BS

then he goes into the tarmac rule ( that was after that NW flight was stuck on the runway for like 8 hours ) so now there are MONEY fines (serious ones!) if a carrier does not disembark withing three hours

that guy today had to ( after sending all his condolences to his wife and bull like that ) squeezes it into a presser )

that fit in with the lady needing to go on air last night

who the heck cares what she thinks about it

money money money

As incredibly sad as this tragedy is, this man has exposed one hell of a vulnerablity in aviation.

People on the NYC news stations are understandably freaked out--three major airports within twenty miles...

This almost seems like it was done spontaneously. A hey, why not moment? Seems like a kid with a kind heart who didn't think it through.

But the vulnerablity exposed is truly scary. Imagine if it was someone with an entirely sinister motive.

Hi my dear!

This has been known for decades -- noone (govt/airlines) are gonna do anything about it

$$ that simple

secure areas (outside of terminal ) mean a chain link fence . That is it . This will make a baby racket -all will be died out in about a week moo

I was thinking during the presser hum i wonder who is come up with some way to make this into a lawsuit ??

I feel for those who loved him - i vote he was loveable

 

[Gardenista]

According to this and other articles:

The plane was a Q400, a Bombardier turboprop plane, one of about 40 the airline has in its fleet.

Airline employee steals plane from Seattle airport, crashes and dies - CNN

I don't see the tail number in the text but I might have missed it. Can you please copy and paste?

 

[gitana1]

Sometimes I think it's easier for some people to simply be angry and react with rage at tragedy because they cannot understand the complexities of human beings, they cannot cope with feeling sad for someone, they just can't be bothered feeling empathy or they are terrified that some issue like this could affect themselves or their loved ones. So they think that by harshly criticizing and denouncing the unfortunate, confused souls who do such a thing, it will never touch them personally.

 

[gitana1]

I believe we are moving in this direction. It's slow going, but it's coming.

How though. They sometimes don't even know how bad it is themselves. Like this guy.

 

[CARIIS]

Yes. And, I don't think he understood the full scope of how it would affect his family, coworkers, the people on the ground. He certainly seemed somewhat aware but I don't think fully. But, that is my opinion.

oh but he did

listen to the part when he goes into being glad he was not ruining there day "because of me" but listen to his voice his sigh was so heartfelt it touched me

i found much to be learned in the statement about jail but the part that really struck me was the " a guy like me" there is much there.imo

Did not feel (once I got caught up) much loss of touch with reality . He consistently touched on consequences of what was happening

the oh they will rip me up over there or something to that effect

the honest knowledgment "I REALLY did not plan on landing - I felt like that was almost a freudian slip!

he was thinking outcomes ( delusional cant really do that ) oh they have shootdown things

they were spontaneous as he went through the event /

but.........The random talking about serenity the baby orca olympics were peculiar but he was able to get back on track at times i felt like he was talking to loved ones

but then there is one haunting part -- was the guy he was talking to Andrew -- that was the only second where I felt as if he was really going off the rails- like wondering if he was talking to a voice in his head?

But then there were a few moments of paranoia kind of - the are you flying me into planes was unique!

AMdrew there are peoples lives at stake ---- but he was very very angry in that moment Who was he talking to with such anger?

Was his name andrew?? ATC

but he kept getting back on real time -- kept being humorous

there was some childness -- the resignation in his voice when daddy (atc) told him to kind of stop it and he says something like but i am not really ready to stop playing (my interpretation it was related to I am not quite done

ha

ah good therapy is always about what one is not saying!!

 

[Gardenista]

I love reading expert forums when it comes to these kinds of situations. Airliners.net has a good thread right now--if you know of any others, please post.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Sometimes I think it's easier for some people to simply be angry and react with rage at tragedy because they cannot understand the complexities of human beings, they cannot cope with feeling sad for someone, they just can't be bothered feeling empathy or they are terrified that some issue like this could affect themselves or their loved ones. So they think that by harshly criticizing and denouncing the unfortunate, confused souls who do such a thing, it will never touch them personally.

Gee, I hope that isn’t directed passive aggressively towards me because I am angry that this man endangered the lives of hundreds of people. I know you and others on this thread wouldn’t endanger others’ lives if you wanted to commit suicide. I’m baffled how you aren't angry that this selfish man endangered others. Having an extreme lack of concern for others’ lives is not a symptom of depression. It could be a symptom of Major Depression with Psychosis but he didn’t appear psychotic.