WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

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The F-15 pilots attempted to divert the aircraft toward the Pacific Ocean while maintaining radio communication with controllers and Russell. The jets flew close enough to make visual contact, Hillier said.

Russell eventually told controllers that fuel was low and an engine was failing. Then he plunged the aircraft into a wooded area on sparsely-inhabited Kentron Island, 25 miles south of the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, setting trees ablaze.

Seattle hijacker’s plane heist, midair stunts and fatal crash expose gaps in aviation security
 
  • #262
How though. They sometimes don't even know how bad it is themselves. Like this guy.


and he clearly stated such

the surprise and authenticity in voice when he stated he did not even know it etc was stunning and sad
 
  • #263
All his conversation with air traffic control he never mentioned wife.

Wondering if authorities left out any mention of his wife, publicly out of deference to her.

I saw her Instagram page. They seemed like a happy, fun couple.

She must be so devastated.
 
  • #264
Hey wow you are right on target! I learned after his death about the D3 levels ... I know part of my grief process was to make sure I was as healthy as I could be mentally and physically. My D3 levels have been a huge part of it!! And hugs back!! I miss him terribly. Hes happy now and that makes me happy. What he did was terrible but at least he didn’t do it on a world wide level lol
So glad you are here to share your experience, strength, and hope.
 
  • #265
W his comment about not being a pilot, I’m thinking work must have been his last straw. Jmo right now.
 
  • #266
I read Darkness Visible some years ago. Very illuminating.

It astounds me that some can be enraged at people who are sick.
Hi Git. I heard the judge ripped up the plea agreement for the 2 main people in the Ghostship fire. I hope ya get justice.
 
  • #267
I am really curious to hear what went on at the airline

it almost seemed like the atc tape might have cut off right after he said the white comment

there is no intial dialog (that I have heard ) of the encounter between ATC and him there had to be a beginning

in a way i am wondering if he refused to reply initially but there should be something like unidentified Horizon identity yourself and your intent that kind of stuff

if he did not respond that might explain how fast the jets were launched but somewhere in this we had to have an initial start

they better be ready tho when the cvr is transcribed - (unless FBI blocks it ) it would tell us last words by both

i think the fbi will block --the fact that the atc came out in spurts really means that were selecting pieces of the tape for public release

it was an hour long event

the cvr goes on automatically ( I think at engine start) i suppose he could have tried to kill it tho (circuit breaker but i dont know these days they might design them to where they cant be killed any more)

i hope fbi turns it over to ntsb they do not play games they release everything

common sense would tell us it is not terror related so it really is ntsb arena imo

but we certainly have not had an hour of recordings

there should also be ground control recordings - at least of them trying to find out what the heck was going on the minute they had an extra aircraft on their pavement!! in a way i think he may have ignored them

he would know they could bring out a fire truck or four and place it in the runway etc

better for them to think the aircraft might be having a short radio problem
 
  • #268
or...............he was very confident he could handle it

and he did

at this point for all we know he has practicing for 5 years to fly it back then not to kill himself but a dream he had
The black box will tell his final tale. That's for sure. No life insurance is going to payout once its deemed a suicide and not some accidental crash landing.jmo
 
  • #269
The black box will tell his final tale. That's for sure. No life insurance is going to payout once its deemed a suicide and not some accidental crash landing.jmo

but now fbi is lead ......not ntsb
 
  • #270
W his comment about not being a pilot, I’m thinking work must have been his last straw. Jmo right now.


i think so too

the grease the wheels of the higher ups and tone of voice was pretty upset with them

and mentioning minimum wage

and mentioning feeling as if people were not be promoted on skill set alone
 
  • #271
but now fbi is lead ......not ntsb
I think the fbi wants to investigate more than just the intentional crash landing. They probably also want to investigate other employees that may have been aware beforehand. Or investigate other possibles to make sure that some other crazy employee doesn't decide to do it with terrorist intentions. Idk.
 
  • #272
So glad you are here to share your experience, strength, and hope.
Thank you for being here!! The WS community hasn’t brought me through it many times haha Hugs.
This mans public journey is hitting home w many people I am sure. W out the big stage. In fact I’m guessing this guy always craved attention due to something that may have happened as a child. And it he got it. Please don’t take this the wrong way but my brother would have loved that stage. Most of his male friends were so mad at this attention seeking stunt he made that was actually due to untreated mental illness. All jmo and venting
 
  • #273
Some passages from IMO the most incredible read on depression his writing is stunning

“A phenomenon that a number of people have noted while in deep depression is the sense of being accompanied by a second self — a wraithlike observer who, not sharing the dementia of his double, is able to watch with dispassionate curiosity as his companion struggles against the oncoming disaster, or decides to embrace it.

There is a theatrical quality about all this, and during the next several days, as I went about stolidly preparing for extinction, I couldn't shake off a sense of melodrama — a melodrama in which I, the victim-to-be of self-murder, was both the solitary actor and lone member of the audience.”
William Styron, Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness


“In depression this faith in deliverance, in ultimate restoration, is absent. The pain is unrelenting, and what makes the condition intolerable is the foreknowledge that no remedy will come- not in a day, an hour, a month, or a minute. If there is mild relief, one knows that it is only temporary; more pain will follow. It is hopelessness even more than pain that crushes the soul. So the decision-making of daily life involves not, as in normal affairs, shifting from one annoying situation to another less annoying- or from discomfort to relative comfort, or from boredom to activity- but moving from pain to pain

“In depression this faith in deliverance, in ultimate restoration, is absent. The pain is unrelenting, and what makes the condition intolerable is the foreknowledge that no remedy will come- not in a day, an hour, a month, or a minute. If there is mild relief, one knows that it is only temporary; more pain will follow. It is hopelessness even more than pain that crushes the soul. So the decision-making of daily life involves not, as in normal affairs, shifting from one annoying situation to another less annoying- or from discomfort to relative comfort, or from boredom to activity- but moving from pain to pain. One does not abandon, even briefly, one’s bed of nails, but is attached to it wherever one goes. And this results in a striking experience- one which I have called, borrowing military terminology, the situation of the walking wounded. For in virtually any other serious sickness, a patient who felt similar devistation would by lying flat in bed, possibly sedated and hooked up to the tubes and wires of life-support systems, but at the very least in a posture of repose and in an isolated setting. His invalidism would be necessary, unquestioned and honorably attained. However, the sufferer from depression has no such option and therefore finds himself, like a walking casualty of war, thrust into the most intolerable social and family situations. There he must, despite the anguish devouring his brain, present a face approximating the one that is associated with ordinary events and companionship. He must try to utter small talk, and be responsive to questions, and knowingly nod and frown and, God help him, even smile. But it is a fierce trial attempting to speak a few simple words.”
William Styron, Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness
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“The pain of severe depression is quite unimaginable to those who have not suffered it, and it kills in many instances because its anguish can no longer be borne. The prevention of many suicides will continue to be hindered until there is a general awareness of the nature of this pain.”
William Styron, Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness
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“Depression is a disorder of mood, so mysteriously painful and elusive in the way it becomes known to the self -- to the mediating intellect-- as to verge close to being beyond description. It thus remains nearly incomprehensible to those who have not experienced it in its extreme mode.”

“The madness of depression is, generally speaking, the antithesis of violence. It is a storm indeed, but a storm of murk. Soon evident are the slowed-down responses, near paralysis, psychic energy throttled back close to zero. Ultimately, the body is affected and feels sapped, drained.”
William Styron, Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness

Depression, most people know, used to be termed "melancholia," a word which appears in English as the year 1303 and crops up more than once in Chaucer, who in his usage seemed to be aware of its pathological nuances. "Melancholia" would still appear to be a far more apt and evocative word for the blacker forms of the disorder, but it was usurped by a noun with a blank tonality and lacking any magisterial presence, used indifferently to describe an economic decline or a rut in the ground, a true wimp of a word for such a major illness.

It thus remains nearly incomprehensible to those who have not experienced it in its extreme mode, although the gloom, "the blues" which people go through occasionally and associate with the general hassle of everyday existence are of such prevalence that they do give many individuals a hint of the illness in its catastrophic form.”

“There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy.”

It may be more accurate to say that despair, owing to some evil trick played upon the sick brain by the inhabiting psyche, comes to resemble the diabolical discomfort of being imprisoned in a fiercely overheated room. And because no breeze stirs this cauldron, because there is no escape from the smothering confinement, it is natural that the victim begins to think ceaselessly of oblivion

Darkness Visible Quotes by William Styron(page 2 of 2)
I can’t thank you enough for this post. As I tap you on the shoulder CARIIS, can I please cheat and cut in line? Can someone please direct me to the audio as I plug in the charger? Granddaughters and their Minecraft and Fortnite, you know, always take priority.
 
  • #274
Wonder if something triggered his decision to do it that day? Problems at home, not performing in his job etc?

Or perhaps he had been thinking about it, planning it, and the opportunity presented itself with the empty plane sitting there?

I am thankful he was considerate enough of his fellow human beings that he took an empty plane rather than one with passengers.

I believe that when someone makes the decision & takes the ultimate action to end their life, it is a confluence of discouraging/triggering events and long-held hopeless thoughts.

Sometimes, the opportunity is orchestrated or purely happenstance.

Sometimes, there is a trigger that is only known by the suicidal person.

Sometimes, there's nothing anyone (who knows & loves the suicidal person) can do, when that confluence of discouraging events and hopeless thoughts converge.

The person may have been waiting, for some time, for that perceived convergence as a sign to end their life, and when they believe the sign has appeared, they are relieved to know that their suffering will soon come to an end.

This is one of the things suicidal people struggle with day to day - looking for the "sign" that 'now is the time'.

This is one of the reasons it's so difficult to determine who might take their lives by suicide.
 
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I believe that when someone makes the decision & takes the ultimate action to end their life, it is a confluence of discouraging/triggering events and long-held hopeless thoughts.

Sometimes, the opportunity is orchestrated or purely happenstance.

Sometimes, there is a trigger that is only known by the suicidal person.

Sometimes, there's nothing anyone (who knows & loves the suicidal person) can do, when that confluence of discouraging events and hopeless thoughts converge.

The person may have been waiting, for some time, for that perceived convergence as a sign to end their life, and when they believe the sign has appeared, they are relieved to know that their suffering will soon come to an end.

This is one of the things suicidal people struggle with day to day - looking for the "sign" that 'now is the time'.

This is one of the reasons it's so difficult to determine who might take their lives by suicide.

I kinda feel like the airline did not do something they promised

he was promoted in april

so if we go standard 90 day review for next step and maybe an AA got whatever might be next up it was the final trigger

i kinda think also that he was doing flight stim cause he genuinely loved doing it

and then Speculating they did whatever to him

what is really the worst way to eff with cooperate $$$$$$$$$$

what is the second way to eff with cooperate public relations

ding ding ding

! and that lady coming on last night bothered me

she meant not a word of what she said her eyes were cold her tone of voice was could care less and cooperate does not rush to mics!!

imo she was setting some stage like she knew something might come out about something


i am sorry it just bugged me

something was off

old but interesting

he is kinda strange!

I certainly dont talk like that but his love for commercial aviation appears similar!!



I can’t thank you enough for this post. As I tap you on the shoulder CARIIS, can I please cheat and cut in line? Can someone please direct me to the audio as I plug in the charger? Granddaughters and their Minecraft and Fortnite, you know, always take priority.


the whole book was awesome and do advice of a failure jo courdert!!

Parent company Alaska had big changes at the top in jan this year

that always causes stuff !!!!

Horizon Air welcomes new CEO/president, and new chief operating officer


they had some real neat paint jobs years ago!!

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  • #279
Just thinking more about this incident and have additional thoughts.

Those incredible barrel rolls, etc.
There is much much more to this story. Perhaps when we dig in to the facts more we will learn he was planning a larger farewell.
He was no novice flyer. I think he took that job to access the planes.
Where did he learn to fly like that? Who taught him and for what purpose.
There is more here...

Amateur opinion and speculation.
 
  • #280
Horizon is a division of Alaska. I'm not sure Alaska has changed leadership recently.

Note that the COO (who spoke last night) is not just female, but a former Army Black Hawk chopper pilot and been running maintenance for Alaska (and at Air Canada before that) for a long time. Of course someone complained about being a "white man" so perhaps he was jealous. MOO.
 

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