WA - Major security incident at SeaTac Airport. All planes are grounded, Aug 2018

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  • #541
Doghairrules said:
This is interesting information. Also, I continue to feel so bad for his wife. To have her husband watered down to "plane thief." And I know, it's accurate and he did it to himself. I just can't imagine how that feels to her. She spent, what, 6-7 or more years living with and loving this guy?

One other thing I've been thinking about, in terms of his age and him sort of being lost in life, is that it doesn't seem like he had a very definite plan for after college, does it? He went into the bakery business because his wife is a pastry chef. Then they moved to be closer to his wife's family and he got a job at the airport. Probably not the job he wanted, but the one he could get. I just am not sure I see anything in him that was setting goals and going for them, you know? I wonder how much part the depression played in that.
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at 29 minimum wage for someone who loved adventure (adventure costs money) i think that is a rough spot

he really made it clear when he minimun wage lets chaulk it up to that .

before today i could only understand the minimum wage part but to hear the lets chalk it up to that is telling

I still want to know who the he@@ is Andrew - it reminded me of some pts -- like he was talking to a voice in his head . and man he was mad at andrew

it almost sounded like he was growling it out -intense

then the maybe this will grease them up = he clearly felt abused by management imo

I don't think we will know -- but I wonder if he had a huge altercation with someone in management -- was it andrew?

THe ceo lady the first night looked like she just crawled out of bed - gave me the impression that she was like ordered to say something

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PaulR said:
Which makes me think - trouble in paradise? He didn't mention his wife during the flight at all.
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Finance = stress in relationships imo I kinda think she wanted to have kids and might have wanted him to get a job that pays better speculation

I dont think they released everything -- he was up around an hour -- unless he ignored them for a while but i still cant figure out what the beginning point was

they released them funky imo

ntsb would put out the entire interaction

here is how NTSB does it :

I just chose Delta 191- random- and only a little bit in the final reports the CVR is like 20 30 pages from the second the flight pushes back until impact

Transcript of the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR)

Legenda:
CAM - Cockpit area microphone
RDO - Radio transmission from accident aircraft
-1 - Voice (or position) identified as Captain
-2 - Voice (or position) identified as First Officer
-3 - Voice identified as Second officer
-? - Unidentifiable voice
APP = Dallas Approach
TWR = Dallas Tower
* - Unintelligible word
# - Expletive deleted
() - Questionable text
GPWS- is an alarm in the cockpit that yells at them that they are to low and " "pull up" "pull up" "pull up" really loud

18.05:21 CAM-1 You're gonna lose it all of a sudden, there it is
18.05:22 AA156 American one fifty six, so long
18.05:26 CAM-1 Push it up, push it way up
18.05:27 CAM-1 Way up
18.05:28 CAM-3 Way up
18.05:29 CAM-1 Way up
18.05:29 CAM [Sound of engines high RPM]
18.05:30 CAM-1 That's it
18.05:35 RDO [Sound of microphone keying]
18.05:36 TWR American six twenty two cleared for takeoff
18.05:36 CAM-1 Hang on the # #
18.05:38 AA622 Cleared for takeoff American six twenty two
18.05:39 CAM-2 (What's vee ref?)
18.05:40 TWR Five eight six into position one seven right
18.05:44 GPWS Whoop whoop pull up
18.05:44 AA586 Into position and hold five eighty six
18.05:44 CAM [Garbled sound]
18.05:45 CAM-1 Toga
18.05:46 CAM-? * *
18.05:46 TWR November one five juliot fox can you make the ah we'll expedite down to the ah taxi thirty one and a right turn off the traffics a mile final
18.05:46 CAM [Sound of radio altimeters]
18.05:46 GPWS Whoop whoop pull up (sound of GPWS is distributed evenly and continously)
18.05:47 CAM-? Push it way up
18.05:48 GPWS Whoop whoop pull up
18.05:49 GPWS Whoop whoop pull up
18.05:52 CAM [Sound of noise similar to landing; sound of takeoff warning horn. The sound continues for 1.6 seconds]
18.05:53 N15JF Juliot fox roger
18.05:53 CAM-? #
18.05:55.5 CAM-? Oh # [second impact]
18.05:56 TWR Delta go around
18.05:57 End of recording

Delta 191 CVR Transcript
 
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  • #542
Breezie said:
http://mynorthwest.com/1078867/richard-russell-friend/?


http://mynorthwest.com/1078601/richard-beebo-russell-background/?
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wow from radio broadcast the Andrew comment may have come from this book just wow

six year old hobo

Damn it, Andrew! This could take hours. Didn't you write this information down somewhere or memorize it? This is our son's life at stake here!”


The Six-Year-Old Hobo is a story of relationships, redemption and fate

Customer review - haunting

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Fun, fast-paced read. Lots of entertaining characters and plot twists.

Amazon.com: Customer reviews: The Six-Year-Old Hobo



obviously he moved many people -- sat i listened to the tapes a couple of times they were tender sad

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Breezie said:
Seattle plane hijacker may have been trying to emulate his pilot grandfather | Daily Mail Online

some family background here

Could his grandfather have given him some flying lessons?
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WOW --imo - it would appear that his love of aviation started very early and his playing with simulators had no evil intent for years

it also fits with the : I wanna see what she can do comment

Huge family - I would think for him as male there might also have been some pressure to start a family.

speculating
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  • #543
Dramatic audio of the moment Seattle air traffic controllers realize an unauthorized Dash 8 – Q400 aircraft had taken off and then identify the hijacker as 'Rich' - the baggage handler

this was touching

4F069DC800000578-6050925-Hannah_marked_six_years_of_marriage_to_Rich_in_January_in_a_post-m-80_1534018074673.jpg




Moment Seattle controllers learned unauthorized plane had taken off | Daily Mail Online



 
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  • #544
I don’t recall that this famous aviation poem “High Flight” has been posted. Apologies if it’s a repeat. It seems fitting somehow, and captures what Rich may have been feeling or wanting to feel during his flight.

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds – and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of – wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

70 Years of “Slipping the Surly Bonds” | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine
 
  • #545
CARIIS said:
Dramatic audio of the moment Seattle air traffic controllers realize an unauthorized Dash 8 – Q400 aircraft had taken off and then identify the hijacker as 'Rich' - the baggage handler

this was touching

4F069DC800000578-6050925-Hannah_marked_six_years_of_marriage_to_Rich_in_January_in_a_post-m-80_1534018074673.jpg




Moment Seattle controllers learned unauthorized plane had taken off | Daily Mail Online
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Interesting part.

Seattle plane hijacker Richard Russell may have been trying to emulate his hero pilot grandfather when he took an Alaska Airlines jet on an hour-long joyride, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Russell's granddad served with the US Marine Corp as a Naval Aviator before retiring with the rank of Major.

Major Robert F. Russell then flew passenger jets for renowned airline Trans World Airlines (TWA) for 27 years, serving in various positions until his retirement as an International Captain in 1991.

Naval aviators are renowned for their mid-air acrobatics including barrel rolls and loop-the-loops – the exact moves pulled off by Russell in the Dash 8 – Q400 aircraft before his death.

And Major Russell was a patriarchal figurehead in the Russell family and an inspirational hero to his 10 grandchildren.

Tragically, his grandson, disgruntled baggage handler 'Beebo' Russell, seemingly chose to replicate his grandfather's flying ability using skills he learned while playing video games.
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  • #547
Doghairrules said:
O/T My therapist told me today that I have to stop following news like this so closely so that I can take better care of myself. She was horrified that I was up until almost 3 a.m. Friday night following this story.

I'm going to miss my therapist. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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LOL
 
  • #548
  • #549
MsFacetious said:
The other suicide/attempted murder by plane crash where the man flew the plane into his own home has everyone talking wonderful about him too. Maybe it's something to do with the method?

Wife of pilot who crashed plane into her Payson home knew it was him 'immediately'

Stepson tells how he escaped after his stepfather crashed plane into mother's Payson home

Children of Payson plane crash pilot: 'very, very, very blessed to call him my father'
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Method? Somehow I don't recall that was a good thing when it came to 911 hijackers.
This one told his bio-kids to leave the house, so I could at least understand their statements somewhat, as he wasn't trying to kill them. But from his wife and step son, who were in the house, I don't get it at all as to why they'd be saying how wonderful he was.
 
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  • #550
jjenny said:
Method? Somehow I don't recall that was a good thing when it came to 911 hijackers.
This one told his bio-kids to leave the house, so I could at least understand their statements somewhat, as he wasn't trying to kill them. But from his wife and step son, who were in the house, I don't get it at all as to why they'd be saying how wonderful he was.
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That's why I said suicide/ATTEMPTED murder. It doesn't appear to apply when they kill others.
 
  • #551
As the days go on and I read more. - I can’t help but read an underlying current of revenge into this man’s psychological intent. Anger is a much stronger motivator of action than depression.
 
  • #552
Sometimes it takes a minute to find objectivity.
 
  • #553
MsFacetious said:
The other suicide/attempted murder by plane crash where the man flew the plane into his own home has everyone talking wonderful about him too. Maybe it's something to do with the method?

Wife of pilot who crashed plane into her Payson home knew it was him 'immediately'

Stepson tells how he escaped after his stepfather crashed plane into mother's Payson home

Children of Payson plane crash pilot: 'very, very, very blessed to call him my father'
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Yeah... super blessed. What a thing to say. [insert sarcasm sign here if not obvious]
 
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  • #556
APR 2018 8:51 AM PT

NEWS ANALYSIS
Aviation industry takes steps to mitigate insider threats
The aviation industry realizes insider threats are a reality and is working within the public-private partnership to heighten awareness of them.

2017 — PenAir
Recently we saw a retired reservations agent for PenAir (Alaska) decide pre-retirement to provide herself with the means to return to the Penn Air reservation system clandestinely. Whether Suzette Kugler was “retired” or retired voluntarily is not known. According to the court documents, what is known is she set up a fake employee account that she used to sabotage PenAir’s ticketing and station management network database services.

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Over the course of two months, she deleted employee accounts, made seating charts disappear, deleted station information for eight airports, and disrupted the airline’s critical infrastructure.

a telecommunications field technician sabotaged the air traffic controlsystem in Chicago. This event was labeled the “worst sabotage” in the history of U.S. air traffic control system. The tech set fire in the communications room — the net result, thousands of flights were cancelled across the U.S. that day. Of the 29 racks of computers driving the communications equipment, 20 were destroyed by fire and water damage. It took weeks for the damaged equipment to be fully replaced.

US Airline: According to a US Airline, the insider threat is a current or former employee, contractor, vendor, or other business partner, who has or had authorized access to an organization's information, abilities, products, or supply chain. This knowledge or access is then misused to negatively affect the organization or to do harm to the public.

THey have been doing committee of committee review the committee review of the committee to take a look at the committee for ages.


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https://www.dni.gov/files/PE/Documents/4---2017-AEP_Aviation-Insider-Paper.pdf

In reality it kinda like some of the cases where nurses like murdering pts.


 
  • #557
more:

Despite the fact that they must pass background checks, the last few years have seen many shocking – and sometimes deadly – examples of airport employees misusing their access to secure areas to smuggle drugs, weapons or explosive devices.

2016, the Washington Times reported that the Transportation Security Administration‘s (TSA) Peter Neffenger testified before the United States Senate that only three major U.S. airports require employees to pass through security screening before entering a secured area of the facility. Efforts to institute much wider employee security screening have come up against concerns about increased costs and reduced employee efficiency.

airports not screening employees moving into secure areas are operating blindly

Official Levity Break Alert

This committee

http://harvardnsj.org/2017/04/the-a...sment-of-vulnerabilities-and-countermeasures/

was reviewing this committee

Discussion Point: Insider Threat in the Aviation Industry

which was not sure about this committee -which of course resulted in a need for ----a committee to study this

Addressing the gap in employee screening | Aviation Insider

which was exploring

america's airports: the threat from within - House Committee on ...


after a review of this committees findings -there was some disagreement between committee 4 and 9 so you guessed it it was decided that what was needed was a committee

The Insider Threat - Aviation Security International

which mandated of course a committee to review the committee before and after the committee that came in the middle of the committee

More needed against 'insider threat' at airports, report says -

which was heralded by this report

The unmitigated insider threat to aviation - ResearchGate

which resulted in a quick formation of ..................................a committee

Airport security: fighting the insider threat - Airport Technology

this committee actually was expected to release its reports before the following one but they beat them to press -- which of course resulted in a need for ----a committee to study this

Aviation Lessons on Combating Insider Threat - ASIS International

which came after this 2013 committee

The Insider Threat to Airport Security | The National Interest

in response to

Enlisting Airport Employees to Help Mitigate Insider Threats


which of course came after

Airport Security - Insider Employee Threats - iHLS

but certainly not before

Former FBI agent: 'Greatest threat we have to aviation is the insider

which was right about the same time as

"Insider Threat to Aviation: More Than Terrorism"



As a result of Fri - a committee is being formed to look at the issue..........................

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pop quiz

How Will Congress React To The Horizon Air Q400 Crash?

Correct answer: They wont!

This concludes this levity break!
 
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  • #558
Eevee Pie said:
I really hate the glorification of this guy.
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It's not the first time that someone pulled a stupid stunt involving a aircraft that became a sensation with the news media.

Does anyone recall this aircraft incident that occurred during the Cold War era from May 28, 1987?

Mathias Rust, an inexperienced 18 year old teenage pilot from West Germany who only had about 50 hours of flying experience, flew a rented Cessna aircraft by himself on May 28, 1987 from Helsinki, Finland to Moscow in the Soviet Union.

Through a series of unbelievable luck, Mathias Rust was able to fly into the Soviet Union airspace without being shot down by military fighter jets before landing the aircraft near the Red Square in Moscow.

Not only did Rust’s flight expose the vulnerabilities of the Soviet air defenses system, the repercussions led to the biggest turnover of the Soviet military command.

Sources:

Mathias Rust - Wikipedia

Mathias Rust - Wikipedia

The Notorious Flight of Mathias Rust

The Notorious Flight of Mathias Rust | History | Air & Space Magazine

German who flew to Red Square during cold war admits it was irresponsible

German who flew to Red Square during cold war admits it was irresponsible
 
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Information downloaded from the Bombardier Inc. Q400’s flight-data recorder shows both of its engines were generating power and the plane hadn’t exhausted its fuel supply, one of these people said. It hadn’t been clear from early indications whether the plane, which didn’t have any passengers or crew on board, ran out of fuel or had been deliberately flown into the ground.

A spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is heading the probe, declined to comment, pending further analysis of evidence. The National Transportation Safety Board, which is providing technical assistance, declined to comment.

there goes the fbi -- ordering the ntsb not to say anything

in 45 years i never heard NTSB decline to comment - if they are not sure they always say we are continuing to evaluate and look at our data - when we knew we will let the public no our findings

Portions of the cockpit-voice recorder downloaded by the safety board, which haven’t become public, captured Mr. Russell talking to himself and sending what may have been goodbye messages or apologies to friends and family, according to another person familiar with the investigation. This person didn’t describe details of the messages, and none of that recording has been released.

Stolen Horizon Air Plane Believed Deliberately Crashed
 
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