Found Deceased WA - Olivia 5, Evelyn 8 & Paityn Decker 9, found dead, manhunt on for father, Travis Decker 32, wh 2017 GMC Sierra PU, Wenatchee, 30 May 2025 #2

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Part of me very much thinks that, despite LE suggesting he may be being assisted in some way, his body will be found years from now, a suicide in the woods just hours from where he entered it.
That is what I think too. But it seems that sighting and other possibly related evidence along the trail is guiding their search.

But if their theory is true, then he used the time of the helicopter sighting to nightfall to the max.
MOO if he is actually the one they saw, I think he used the that gap while they refueled and pulled in another helicopter to get himself into position to descend to Teanaway that night.

At the sighting they seemed to think he was headed east to Leavenworth, and the drainage does go that way, but he has ranger training, so he knows how to read aviation search patterns and could do something unexpected.
 
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Thank you for the clarification @GraceG
 
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Moon didn't come out on nights of June 14/15/16 in northern California mountains

I'm not sure why northern California is relevant? Did you see something that makes you think he's there?
 
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I'm not sure why northern California is relevant? Did you see something that makes you think he's there?
Probably that it was dark from twilight to a lot later. The moon was over %80 illuminating during the early morning hours - the time I think he travels.
Unless it's the more likely scenario, that he is dead from suicide within a mile of the campsite.
 
  • #566
I'm certain they do, but I hope they've got some resources monitoring local emergency rooms. If that's his blood on the truck, that means he's got some kind of wound, and since to the best of our knowledge he doesn't have medical supplies and is in the woods, it might be getting a really spectacular infection right about now. If so, it might force him to seek health assistance. MOO
 
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I don't think the data is correct. For what it's worth, we weren't allowed to use the data from flight tracking sites such as Flight Aware, etc in goverment legal cases involving illegal aircraft operation or in litigation resulting from an air crash as there are often errors in the data (the sites themselves having a disclaimer if you look).

I don't know what type of helicopters were in the air, but a common helicopter, the Bell Jet Ranger has a range of about 3 1/2 hours at cruise speed. An Apache helicopter - the pilots would plan about 3 hours. SAR helicopters such as the Bell 412, Eurocopter EC135 and Sikorsky S-76 have 3-4 hours of flight time. That time can be affected by factors like weather conditions, the need for additional fuel reserves, and specialized mission requirements. Some helicopters may be equipped with aerial refueling capabilities, which can extend their operational time significantly, but it's not common in civilian or non-military use.

Slowing down to search water or land will increase that, but you also have to factor in you are a lower altitude where fuel consumption is higher. On average, when we'd be looking at where a civilian helicopter may have gone down, range wise, if transponder (radar contact) was lost, we'd factor in about 4 hours aloft, maybe 5.

There are some very specialized military helicopters with a range up to 1200 miles. Advanced prototypes like the The Bell V-280 Valor, a VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing) aircraft under development, boasts a range of over 2400 miles, but you're not going to see such types of helicopters in civilian search operations.
There are two at the moment. One is a euro copter. The other has just disappeared. They are doing broad loops in the levenworth area.

ETA both Eurocopters.
 

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  • #568
There are two at the moment. One is a euro copter. The other has just disappeared. They are doing broad loops in the levenworth area.
There is a LOT of activity right now. And for those unaware, it only takes a few mins for a helicopter or plane to get to the top of the Enchantments or Blewett Pass area from Pangborn airport in East Wenatchee.
 
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Do I understand it correctly, that there has been no actual proof of life regarding TD since 30.05.2025, so for three full weeks?
 
  • #570
Do I understand it correctly, that there has been no actual proof of life regarding TD since 30.05.2025, so for three full weeks?
Correct.
 
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There are two at the moment. One is a euro copter. The other has just disappeared. They are doing broad loops in the levenworth area.

ETA both Eurocopters.
There are actually 3 Army helicopters doing sort of a triangle path.
 
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Do you think they have picked something up?
I don't think so. One is back to Leavenworth area and the other went along the Columbia River to Orondo/Entiat area and turned around. The 3rd helicopter I think landed back at the airport. Maybe refueling. Not sure.
 
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DBM - wrong thread
 
  • #576
I think that not declaring Amber Alert gave Travis enough time to escape wherever he wanted.
This being said, to escape is easy in Washington.

I have seen only two places on Earth where people would so intensely mind own business and be oblivious to the humans around.

Swiss Alps and the state of Washington.

He potentially can live here undetected. If he wants to move, there is enough place in the country to hide, but human mentality might be different.
I think winter would be challenging with the snow in the higher altitudes and just plain cold in winter. Could get by with about any kind of shelter and sleeping bag. Not a lot of fun. Have food stash, of course. When there's not snow in W. Washington, it gets pretty clammy and cold and plenty of rain.
 
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I think winter would be challenging with the snow in the higher altitudes and just plain cold in winter. Could get by with about any kind of shelter and sleeping bag. Not a lot of fun. Have food stash, of course. When there's not snow in W. Washington, it gets pretty clammy and cold and plenty of rain.
I think his first step would have been to slip out of the perimeter. He would know he has to get to somewhere remote and with a mild climate. But if he does not have a new identity in place he would have a hard time staying free for long in this modern world.

It's all going to depend on how much planning and preparation he did. You can buy false identities on the dark web for not much money. That is not just a fake ID - it includes SSN, bank account history, and so forth. If he had a few months to plan he could be a new person. Sure, facial recognition would be a problem but he could probably last quite a while living off grid.

I find it hard to believe he has sympathizers. I mean, he killed three little girls. Who could sympathize with that?
 
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I find it hard to believe he has sympathizers. I mean, he killed three little girls. Who could sympathize with that?
Plenty, unfortunately. All he’d have to do is sell a story of being persecuted/framed by the gub’mint and they’d welcome him in. Lots of looney groups out there.
 
  • #579
Grandpa "Pie pie" speaking so eloquently, and suddenly it hits me that he's the voice from that adorable limbo video... Heartbreaking.
 
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I don’t see him mining either unless he already has mining expertise (knowledge of geology, engineering, use of equipment, and mining safety). If he digs a hole wrong, it can flood or collapse.

It is an unusual group of folks, but I think bureaucracy could be his undoing. To secure a place to prospect, one needs to fill in paperwork.
 
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