Found Deceased WA - Olivia 5, Evelyn 8 & Paityn Decker 9, found dead, manhunt on for father, Travis Decker 32, wh 2017 GMC Sierra PU, Wenatchee, 30 May 2025 #2

[RedHaus]

Chelan County Sheriff Morrison is quoted as saying, "I believe that most likely we'll have another effort coming here in September that's going to expand out even further".

RSBM
OK, here's a 2 inch straw you can grasp!

What if Morrison is saying, but not saying:

"I'm pretty sure the leg bone we found is human. Forensic experts think it is likely a bone from a human who died 3 months ago, considering animal scavenging. If DNA proves its human, we're going back in the first week of September (next week!) to find the rest of that human, who in all likelihood is Travis Decker."

IMO and wishful thinking = IMOAWT

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

RSBM
OK, here's a 2 inch straw you can grasp!

What if Morrison is saying, but not saying:

"I'm pretty sure the leg bone we found is human. Forensic experts think it is likely a bone from a human who died 3 months ago, considering animal scavenging. If DNA proves its human, we're going back in the first week of September (next week!) to find the rest of that human, who in all likelihood is Travis Decker."

IMO and wishful thinking = IMOAWT

Oh, there ya go! Now that is an angle. I figured there was another way to look at it but I couldn't quite get there. Thanks.

If the bone/s are human, I'm sure DNA extraction to determine identity depends on the environmental conditions the remains were exposed to during their time outdoors. Hoping all of that would be favorable to a definitive identification of someone.

 

[simlyme]

Just tell us it's TD's bones , let's end this thing and give the family some peace that they won't be hunted down for the rest of their lives .

 

[Sundog]

Just tell us it's TD's bones , let's end this thing and give the family some peace that they won't be hunted down for the rest of their lives .

If he's alive, I don't think TD will hunt down his ex wife, as long as he gets the mental health treatment he needs.

 

[Gemmie]

If he's alive, I don't think TD will hunt down his ex wife, as long as he gets the mental health treatment he needs.

So... you're thinking if he doesn't get the mental health treatment he needs (If he's still alive)... that he will hunt down his ex-wife?

 

[sasha17]

If he's alive, I don't think TD will hunt down his ex wife, as long as he gets the mental health treatment he needs.

If he gets the mental health treatment he needs, her safety will be assured not because of his mental health treatment but because he'll be incarcerated for the rest of his life anyway.

 

[Trino]

If he gets the mental health treatment he needs, her safety will be assured not because of his mental health treatment but because he'll be incarcerated for the rest of his life anyway.

What's sad about him possibly being deceased is there will be no earthly punishment. Same is true in the Minneapolis Annunciation Church shooting. Life is sometimes just not fair.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well, as OPs have opined ^^^, as an unhoused person, living out of his truck at a campground, it is not surprising if TD had all his possessions with him, including items to repair or fasten stuff (zipties) and plastic bags (trash bags, grocery bags) to contain things like food, cloths, trash, hardware, zipties, etc.

That said, I remain in the box that TD had a psychotic break triggered by some event(s) at the campsite. But that he had the native skills and self preservation instincts to get the he!! out of dodge.

IMO.

In all seriousness, I can't think of anything that could have happened with his beautiful daughters at the campsite that would have triggered a psychotic break and cause TD to murder them.

I would expect that he would have killed himself right then and there with his daughters, easily found by LE. I don't know if TD's alive or dead, but he needs to be found ASAP.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

In all seriousness, I can't think of anything that could have happened with his beautiful daughters at the campsite that would have triggered a psychotic break and cause TD to murder them.

I would expect that he would have killed himself right then and there with his daughters, easily found by LE. I don't know if TD's alive or dead, but he needs to be found ASAP.

JMO

IF I remember well, he had only three hours for their meeting acc. to schedule, and it was only planned to have a meal together somewhere (fastfood restaurant?). When TD drove with his 3 little girls to a campsite instead, the "trigger" (if any) was put already, IMO.

 

[Boxer]

In all seriousness, I can't think of anything that could have happened with his beautiful daughters at the campsite that would have triggered a psychotic break and cause TD to murder them.

I would expect that he would have killed himself right then and there with his daughters, easily found by LE. I don't know if TD's alive or dead, but he needs to be found ASAP.

JMO

Agree. Too much busnoess required for the way he killed them. A psychotic violent episode is more a like hitting people (attacking monsters) with a brick.
This had fine motor involved. He is a bad person with just no bottom to self pity and entitlement which allowed him to get to the heinous acts. Their father! Hope he is dead and then found.

 

[Sundog]

Agree. Too much busnoess required for the way he killed them. A psychotic violent episode is more a like hitting people (attacking monsters) with a brick.
This had fine motor involved. He is a bad person with just no bottom to self pity and entitlement which allowed him to get to the heinous acts. Their father! Hope he is dead and then found.

Research indicates that a violent offender in psychosis generally uses a knife (stabbing) to kill family members or a stranger, as the person carries a knife due to their delusional disorder.

On the other hand, research indicates that offenders who murder and have mood disorders (like bipolar in the depressive phase, and major depression) kill family members by strangulation, asphyxiation, suffocation or drowning. These methods are particularly used with children and there is usually an altruistic motivation by the offender. Suffocation is a common method used for killing of children by family members, according to research, and is viewed as less violent than stabbing by the male or female offender (no blood).

Method of homicide and severe mental illness: A systematic review - PMC

There is limited research that has examined offense characteristics in homicides committed by individuals with mental illness and with differing psychiatric diagnoses. The aim of this systematic review is to synthesize previous findings of studies ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Teche]

Has the bone found by searchers been determined to be human?

 

[RedHaus]

In all seriousness, I can't think of anything that could have happened with his beautiful daughters at the campsite that would have triggered a psychotic break and cause TD to murder them.

IF I remember well, he had only three hours for their meeting acc. to schedule, and it was only planned to have a meal together somewhere (fastfood restaurant?).

...research indicates that offenders who murder and have mood disorders (like bipolar in the depressive phase, and major depression) kill family members by strangulation, asphyxiation, suffocation or drowning. These methods are particularly used with children and there is usually an altruistic motivation by the offender. Suffocation is a common method used for killing of children by family members, according to research, and is viewed as less violent than stabbing by the male or female offender (no blood).

All RS&BBM

I wasn't going to address @girlhasnoname's post, because I thought it unnecessary to describe any number of triggers to cause someone with severe mental illness, possibly off prescribed medication, and possibly using recreational drugs, to have a psychotic episode resulting in murder.

But I will.

To start, I call on @FromGermany1's reminder of the planned visitation (5-8pm) on 5/30. And while LE estimated early on, based on the girls' autopsies, that they likely died that first evening / night, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) we do not know exactly when that night they died. It could have been at midnight, or in the wee hours of 5/31, or possibly the morning of 5/31.

Then adding in @Sundog's research findings / knowledge, which I agree with completely based on my own research, that humans who commit filicide and have mood disorders, tend to kill children by asphyxiation or other such methods, we can connect some dots.

But, let's add in the mystery 'overdose' dead person found by LE in the area, while searching for TD. At this point we don't know who that is, when they died, how far they were from the camp, etc. And as I opined ^^, perhaps with some vivid imagination, what if this was a friend of TD's at his camp.

There are three scenarios that I think could have triggered a psychotic rage with TD, given his history of a personality disorder and PTSD, and perhaps other diagnoses we are not aware of.

1. When TD brought his girls to the camp, and as the evening wore on, he may have announced they were not returning to their Mom and he was taking them to Canada for a new great life. That would have likely resulted in the girls becoming very upset, crying, screaming, and possibly trying to run away from their father, as they were already becoming fearful of him per court records. I can only imagine that if this outburst of defiance and rejection from his girls went on for quite some time, that he could have completely lost control of himself and his rage and silenced his girls.

2. When TD brought his girls to the camp, he may have started ingesting, vaping, smoking marijuana or other recreational drugs that rendered him unable to keep track or time or even remember he was supposed to return his girls at 8pm. The girls would likely have started pestering TD by 7:30pm or so and by the time it was after 8pm, their voices and demands would escalate. They could have again, like scenario #1, started to cry, scream and demand TD take them back home. Perhaps that went late into the night, when TD finally lost control in a psychotic state...

3. Similar to scenario #2, but add in another adult who was partaking in illicit drug use. Perhaps the marijuana was laced with Fentanyl or Ketamine. Perhaps one adult wandered off and died of an overdose while sitting against a tree near by. And perhaps the other, TD, just lost his mind. And in some drug induced delusional state, or similar to scenario #2, the girls became frightened and were screaming or crying. All that chaos and an altered mind might have triggered some PTSD response and perhaps TD thought the girls were some enemy invaders that needed to die.

Of course, the screaming and any loud noises from the girls could have been heard by anyone nearby. So either there was no one near by or the girls never screamed or didn't scream for long.

These are horrific scenarios. I only paint these bleak stories to illustrate the possibility of a mentally ill mind, under great life stressors (divorce, unhoused, losing rights to see kids, etc.), with possible drug use to quiet the mind that can do the absolute opposite, could lead to a psychotic break.

Sorry if this was too much.

IMO.

ETA: "rejection" to scenario #1

 

[sunspun]

All RS&BBM

I wasn't going to address @girlhasnoname's post, because I thought it unnecessary to describe any number of triggers to cause someone with severe mental illness, possibly off prescribed medication, and possibly using recreational drugs, to have a psychotic episode resulting in murder.

But I will.

To start, I call on @FromGermany1's reminder of the planned visitation (5-8pm) on 5/30. And while LE estimated early on, based on the girls' autopsies, that they likely died that first evening / night, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) we do not know exactly when that night they died. It could have been at midnight, or in the wee hours of 5/31, or possibly the morning of 5/31.

Then adding in @Sundog's research findings / knowledge, which I agree with completely based on my own research, that humans who commit filicide and have mood disorders, tend to kill children by asphyxiation or other such methods, we can connect some dots.

But, let's add in the mystery 'overdose' dead person found by LE in the area, while searching for TD. At this point we don't know who that is, when they died, how far they were from the camp, etc. And as I opined ^^, perhaps with some vivid imagination, what if this was a friend of TD's at his camp.

There are three scenarios that I think could have triggered a psychotic rage with TD, given his history of a personality disorder and PTSD, and perhaps other diagnoses we are not aware of.

1. When TD brought his girls to the camp, and as the evening wore on, he may have announced they were not returning to their Mom and he was taking them to Canada for a new great life. That would have likely resulted in the girls becoming very upset, crying, screaming, and possibly trying to run away from their father, as they were already becoming fearful of him per court records. I can only imagine that if this outburst of defiance and rejection from his girls went on for quite some time, that he could have completely lost control of himself and his rage and silenced his girls.

2. When TD brought his girls to the camp, he may have started ingesting, vaping, smoking marijuana or other recreational drugs that rendered him unable to keep track or time or even remember he was supposed to return his girls at 8pm. The girls would likely have started pestering TD by 7:30pm or so and by the time it was after 8pm, their voices and demands would escalate. They could have again, like scenario #1, started to cry, scream and demand TD take them back home. Perhaps that went late into the night, when TD finally lost control in a psychotic state...

3. Similar to scenario #2, but add in another adult who was partaking in illicit drug use. Perhaps the marijuana was laced with Fentanyl or Ketamine. Perhaps one adult wandered off and died of an overdose while sitting against a tree near by. And perhaps the other, TD, just lost his mind. And in some drug induced delusional state, or similar to scenario #2, the girls became frightened and were screaming or crying. All that chaos and an altered mind might have triggered some PTSD response and perhaps TD thought the girls were some enemy invaders that needed to die.

Of course, the screaming and any loud noises from the girls could have been heard by anyone nearby. So either there was no one near by or the girls never screamed or didn't scream for long.

These are horrific scenarios. I only paint these bleak stories to illustrate the possibility of a mentally ill mind, under great life stressors (divorce, unhoused, losing rights to see kids, etc.), with possible drug use to quiet the mind that can do the absolute opposite, could lead to a psychotic break.

Sorry if this was too much.

IMO.

ETA: "rejection" to scenario #1

Honestly, in the state he may have been in (mentally, emotionally, existentially) I feel like it wouldn't have taken anything major to set him off, and on his murderous rampage that we cannot understand. IMO, he was feeling pretty low, just due to his life circumstances that had gone way downhill and probably wouldn't be going back up any time soon. I think his manhood or masculinity had taken a severe hit, realizing he was failing at being a provider, a husband, a human in general. He seemed to love his daughters (before this), but maybe he put more value on his reputation as a father in the eyes of the people in his life whose opinion of him mattered to him. He was having issues with his own father, IIRC, and maybe a brother as well?

But it was his daughters and the many challenges he was facing regarding them, that I feel was weighing him down most. It was, if nothing else, the clear and present issue in his life, the challenge he was dealing with most right there, right then. A simple thing like picking them up and grabbing a bite to eat with them, something that shouldn't be a problem and wasn't to other fathers, but for him, could have involved many hurdles and difficulties. At least he still had his truck, so he could at least manage to get himself there by himself. But he had no home to take them to, he was under strict restrictions by the court on what they could do and how long he could keep them, probably didn't have much money to buy their dinners... all these hoops he probably felt he had to jump through, all these almost insurmountable obstacles that were all coming at him all the time nowadays, just to do what should be so easy, just to live.

But then he did pick them up and probably tried to do whatever was available to him, but his options were limited, and I can just imagine one of his girls making some innocent remark, totally innocent, but he takes it wrong and he becomes enraged. Something as benign as, "Are we really gonna eat outside?" or "Is pizza all you ever eat?" or "Mom said you don't have much money." Or something who knows what, something said not trying to be mean at all, but in his hypersensitive, vulnerable state (imo), he takes it all wrong.

But to even THINK of doing what he did, much less actually follow through on it, means to me, he must have been just barely hanging on to the brink of sanity already. If not insane, then I can only call him evil personified. Actually, either way, insane or not, I feel he was just evil evil evil. To really picture what all he did to them, and that it was one after the other, one loving daughter after the next one... if I didn't know it really had been done, I simply wouldn't be able to believe it had happened, that any father, no matter his situation or his sanity, no matter what, could ever do what he allegedly did. But I believe he did, and I don't think it had to have been much of anything at all in that moment that made him snap. He turned on them. I don't know what he turned into. But it was evil and it's so heartbreaking. I hope their mother can someday have a new life. I just can't imagine.

 

[Megnut]

Or he was lucid and wanted to punish his ex wife in the worst way possible.

If I can't have them, nobody can.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Honestly, in the state he may have been in (mentally, emotionally, existentially) I feel like it wouldn't have taken anything major to set him off, and on his murderous rampage that we cannot understand. IMO, he was feeling pretty low, just due to his life circumstances that had gone way downhill and probably wouldn't be going back up any time soon. I think his manhood or masculinity had taken a severe hit, realizing he was failing at being a provider, a husband, a human in general. He seemed to love his daughters (before this), but maybe he put more value on his reputation as a father in the eyes of the people in his life whose opinion of him mattered to him. He was having issues with his own father, IIRC, and maybe a brother as well?

But it was his daughters and the many challenges he was facing regarding them, that I feel was weighing him down most. It was, if nothing else, the clear and present issue in his life, the challenge he was dealing with most right there, right then. A simple thing like picking them up and grabbing a bite to eat with them, something that shouldn't be a problem and wasn't to other fathers, but for him, could have involved many hurdles and difficulties. At least he still had his truck, so he could at least manage to get himself there by himself. But he had no home to take them to, he was under strict restrictions by the court on what they could do and how long he could keep them, probably didn't have much money to buy their dinners... all these hoops he probably felt he had to jump through, all these almost insurmountable obstacles that were all coming at him all the time nowadays, just to do what should be so easy, just to live.

But then he did pick them up and probably tried to do whatever was available to him, but his options were limited, and I can just imagine one of his girls making some innocent remark, totally innocent, but he takes it wrong and he becomes enraged. Something as benign as, "Are we really gonna eat outside?" or "Is pizza all you ever eat?" or "Mom said you don't have much money." Or something who knows what, something said not trying to be mean at all, but in his hypersensitive, vulnerable state (imo), he takes it all wrong.

But to even THINK of doing what he did, much less actually follow through on it, means to me, he must have been just barely hanging on to the brink of sanity already. If not insane, then I can only call him evil personified. Actually, either way, insane or not, I feel he was just evil evil evil. To really picture what all he did to them, and that it was one after the other, one loving daughter after the next one... if I didn't know it really had been done, I simply wouldn't be able to believe it had happened, that any father, no matter his situation or his sanity, no matter what, could ever do what he allegedly did. But I believe he did, and I don't think it had to have been much of anything at all in that moment that made him snap. He turned on them. I don't know what he turned into. But it was evil and it's so heartbreaking. I hope their mother can someday have a new life. I just can't imagine.

So many people grapple with mental illness that MOO it actually has nothing to do with his decision and follow through to murder the girls.
He could have expressed dire feelings many ways, like driving himself off a cliff abandoning them at the campsite, thousands of things that left the alive.

 

[Sundog]

Honestly, in the state he may have been in (mentally, emotionally, existentially) I feel like it wouldn't have taken anything major to set him off, and on his murderous rampage that we cannot understand. IMO, he was feeling pretty low, just due to his life circumstances that had gone way downhill and probably wouldn't be going back up any time soon. I think his manhood or masculinity had taken a severe hit, realizing he was failing at being a provider, a husband, a human in general. He seemed to love his daughters (before this), but maybe he put more value on his reputation as a father in the eyes of the people in his life whose opinion of him mattered to him. He was having issues with his own father, IIRC, and maybe a brother as well?

But it was his daughters and the many challenges he was facing regarding them, that I feel was weighing him down most. It was, if nothing else, the clear and present issue in his life, the challenge he was dealing with most right there, right then. A simple thing like picking them up and grabbing a bite to eat with them, something that shouldn't be a problem and wasn't to other fathers, but for him, could have involved many hurdles and difficulties. At least he still had his truck, so he could at least manage to get himself there by himself. But he had no home to take them to, he was under strict restrictions by the court on what they could do and how long he could keep them, probably didn't have much money to buy their dinners... all these hoops he probably felt he had to jump through, all these almost insurmountable obstacles that were all coming at him all the time nowadays, just to do what should be so easy, just to live.

But then he did pick them up and probably tried to do whatever was available to him, but his options were limited, and I can just imagine one of his girls making some innocent remark, totally innocent, but he takes it wrong and he becomes enraged. Something as benign as, "Are we really gonna eat outside?" or "Is pizza all you ever eat?" or "Mom said you don't have much money." Or something who knows what, something said not trying to be mean at all, but in his hypersensitive, vulnerable state (imo), he takes it all wrong.

But to even THINK of doing what he did, much less actually follow through on it, means to me, he must have been just barely hanging on to the brink of sanity already. If not insane, then I can only call him evil personified. Actually, either way, insane or not, I feel he was just evil evil evil. To really picture what all he did to them, and that it was one after the other, one loving daughter after the next one... if I didn't know it really had been done, I simply wouldn't be able to believe it had happened, that any father, no matter his situation or his sanity, no matter what, could ever do what he allegedly did. But I believe he did, and I don't think it had to have been much of anything at all in that moment that made him snap. He turned on them. I don't know what he turned into. But it was evil and it's so heartbreaking. I hope their mother can someday have a new life. I just can't imagine.

I think your description of his feelings of hopelessness and major depression could have led to the filicide of the children. We know that mothers and fathers of who suffer from major depression or psychosis or bipolar who kill their children often believe that the life they are envisioning (no positive future, ever) applies not only to them but also to their children and the identification is so strong that for the offender (male or female parent) the filicide is (from their point of view) an altruistic motivation. I think that is the case here with TD and his children. If that is the case, then he will likely not be alive when found. JMO.

 

[Boxer]

Honestly, in the state he may have been in (mentally, emotionally, existentially) I feel like it wouldn't have taken anything major to set him off, and on his murderous rampage that we cannot understand. IMO, he was feeling pretty low, just due to his life circumstances that had gone way downhill and probably wouldn't be going back up any time soon. I think his manhood or masculinity had taken a severe hit, realizing he was failing at being a provider, a husband, a human in general. He seemed to love his daughters (before this), but maybe he put more value on his reputation as a father in the eyes of the people in his life whose opinion of him mattered to him. He was having issues with his own father, IIRC, and maybe a brother as well?

But it was his daughters and the many challenges he was facing regarding them, that I feel was weighing him down most. It was, if nothing else, the clear and present issue in his life, the challenge he was dealing with most right there, right then. A simple thing like picking them up and grabbing a bite to eat with them, something that shouldn't be a problem and wasn't to other fathers, but for him, could have involved many hurdles and difficulties. At least he still had his truck, so he could at least manage to get himself there by himself. But he had no home to take them to, he was under strict restrictions by the court on what they could do and how long he could keep them, probably didn't have much money to buy their dinners... all these hoops he probably felt he had to jump through, all these almost insurmountable obstacles that were all coming at him all the time nowadays, just to do what should be so easy, just to live.

But then he did pick them up and probably tried to do whatever was available to him, but his options were limited, and I can just imagine one of his girls making some innocent remark, totally innocent, but he takes it wrong and he becomes enraged. Something as benign as, "Are we really gonna eat outside?" or "Is pizza all you ever eat?" or "Mom said you don't have much money." Or something who knows what, something said not trying to be mean at all, but in his hypersensitive, vulnerable state (imo), he takes it all wrong.

But to even THINK of doing what he did, much less actually follow through on it, means to me, he must have been just barely hanging on to the brink of sanity already. If not insane, then I can only call him evil personified. Actually, either way, insane or not, I feel he was just evil evil evil. To really picture what all he did to them, and that it was one after the other, one loving daughter after the next one... if I didn't know it really had been done, I simply wouldn't be able to believe it had happened, that any father, no matter his situation or his sanity, no matter what, could ever do what he allegedly did. But I believe he did, and I don't think it had to have been much of anything at all in that moment that made him snap. He turned on them. I don't know what he turned into. But it was evil and it's so heartbreaking. I hope their mother can someday have a new life. I just can't imagine.

Agree. If he felt himself slipping away from reality, he should have not picked them up at all.
Maybe he meant to kill himself with them as a petulant act, but then found out he is actually a coward and couldn't do to himself what he did three times to his own children. I hope he had traumatic regret and anguished death.

 

[girlhasnoname]

All RS&BBM

I wasn't going to address @girlhasnoname's post, because I thought it unnecessary to describe any number of triggers to cause someone with severe mental illness, possibly off prescribed medication, and possibly using recreational drugs, to have a psychotic episode resulting in murder.

But I will.

To start, I call on @FromGermany1's reminder of the planned visitation (5-8pm) on 5/30. And while LE estimated early on, based on the girls' autopsies, that they likely died that first evening / night, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) we do not know exactly when that night they died. It could have been at midnight, or in the wee hours of 5/31, or possibly the morning of 5/31.

Then adding in @Sundog's research findings / knowledge, which I agree with completely based on my own research, that humans who commit filicide and have mood disorders, tend to kill children by asphyxiation or other such methods, we can connect some dots.

But, let's add in the mystery 'overdose' dead person found by LE in the area, while searching for TD. At this point we don't know who that is, when they died, how far they were from the camp, etc. And as I opined ^^, perhaps with some vivid imagination, what if this was a friend of TD's at his camp.

There are three scenarios that I think could have triggered a psychotic rage with TD, given his history of a personality disorder and PTSD, and perhaps other diagnoses we are not aware of.

1. When TD brought his girls to the camp, and as the evening wore on, he may have announced they were not returning to their Mom and he was taking them to Canada for a new great life. That would have likely resulted in the girls becoming very upset, crying, screaming, and possibly trying to run away from their father, as they were already becoming fearful of him per court records. I can only imagine that if this outburst of defiance and rejection from his girls went on for quite some time, that he could have completely lost control of himself and his rage and silenced his girls.

These baby girls were hardly of the age of outright defiance and rejection. According to previous reports they were scared at times while being in the care of bio dad. I've never seem a confirmed diagnosis of any PD in MSM, just PTSD. Is there a source for that?

Silencing the girls with zip ties and bags over their heads? Can you even imagine what those poor babies thought and how they suffered during the time it took for them to literally suffocate to death???

2. When TD brought his girls to the camp, he may have started ingesting, vaping, smoking marijuana or other recreational drugs that rendered him unable to keep track or time or even remember he was supposed to return his girls at 8pm. The girls would likely have started pestering TD by 7:30pm or so and by the time it was after 8pm, their voices and demands would escalate. They could have again, like scenario #1, started to cry, scream and demand TD take them back home. Perhaps that went late into the night, when TD finally lost control in a psychotic state...

I can see the young girls crying and wanting to go home if TD was doing drugs as you suggested might have happened. I don't think that is pestering, I think that would have been fear.

3. Similar to scenario #2, but add in another adult who was partaking in illicit drug use. Perhaps the marijuana was laced with Fentanyl or Ketamine. Perhaps one adult wandered off and died of an overdose while sitting against a tree near by. And perhaps the other, TD, just lost his mind. And in some drug induced delusional state, or similar to scenario #2, the girls became frightened and were screaming or crying. All that chaos and an altered mind might have triggered some PTSD response and perhaps TD thought the girls were some enemy invaders that needed to die.

I don't believe there has been any verified evidence to suggest there was another person there in MSM.

Of course, the screaming and any loud noises from the girls could have been heard by anyone nearby. So either there was no one near by or the girls never screamed or didn't scream for long.

Sadly, I think there was nobody nearby and being bound by zip ties and having their precious heads covered by a bag would have muffled the noise for the short amount of time that it would have taken to suffocate. Barbaric...I can't even think about it.

These are horrific scenarios. I only paint these bleak stories to illustrate the possibility of a mentally ill mind, under great life stressors (divorce, unhoused, losing rights to see kids, etc.), with possible drug use to quiet the mind that can do the absolute opposite, could lead to a psychotic break.

Sorry if this was too much.

The children were innocent victims of TD period. There's nothing they did that would ever constitute their own deaths at his hand. TD appeared to be behaving normal when he picked the children up according to WD.

IMO.

ETA: "rejection" to scenario #1

Respectfully just presenting an alternate scenario to the one you presented. We may never know the details of what happened, and I fear we won't. What we do know is that Olivia age 5, Evelyn age 8, and Paityn age 9 are deceased at the hands of their own father through no fault of their own.

JMO

EBM: Respectfully

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Oh, boy. Back to the drawing board.

Bones found during Decker search 'not human'

Bones discovered during the FBI search for Travis Decker last week were animal bones, investigators say.

www.wenatcheeworld.com