NOT GUILTY WA - Parents try to kidnap daughter over forced marriage - November 3, 2024 (NG of attempted murder; Guilty of lesser charges)

[turaj]

i saw some post verdict commentary on court tv with Vinnie Politan and 3 other people who's named i don't remember. but i turned it off pretty quick because they were all saying that they felt that the jury "got it right"

that was really surprising. Jury decision was perfect according to them.

 

[fridaybaker]

that was really surprising. Jury decision was perfect according to them.

Juries and notoriously fallible. I was on a recent civil case wherein the jury almost decided to punish a doctor for malpractice, due to a combination of ignorance (couldn’t understand the evidence presented) and a hatred for doctors, on the part of the jury. It was really frightening and, imo, shameful. Of course, they always think “well, he has malpractice insurance, it’s the insurance company that will pay”. However, our judicial system is supposed to be about…wait for it, TRUTH, right?

Also, it’s a mark against his professional conduct and business, and that is highly unethical to do to someone, whether or not you like doctors.

 

[fridaybaker]

According to CourtTV it was 9 men and 3 women. (Why doesn't that add up to 12? Isn't the jury 12 people in Washington?)

Snoopster?

 

[Snoopster]

Snoopster?

That was in response to another comment. (They said 7 and 3.)

 

[Snoopster]

What I find interesting in this discussion is that we are almost all disappointed with the verdict.
AND, we have people on both the right and the left. What this tells me is that it's not clearly a right or left issue.
The jury found something, for a reason we don't know, that we didn't see or didn't agree with.

My thoughts are with FA and the people who supported her.

 

[Izzylizzy]

VP talks with ZA's attorney.
He said it wasn't Fatima who told LE that her parents planned an "arranged marriage" and the "honor killing"
It came from adults at the hospital.
During pre-trial it was the state who motioned not to let those 2 claims entered in the trial, not the defense.

She's in extended foster care and has run away before and police were involved.
Looks like the other daughter may have been the only one to greet ZA when she was released?
Anyway, there was no cheering crowd.
imo

video

Attempted "Honor Killing" Trial: Zahraa Ali's Attorney Joins Court TV

Zahraa Ali's lawyer Tim Leary said the melee wasn't an attempted honor killing. He said the term came up in a police report and the name stuck.

www.courttv.com

 

[AnyNameIWish]

In response to That VP / Court TV video posted by @Izzylizzy

How do you say.....PR CHARADE in Arabic? Cuz that's exactly what this is. VP and mommy's attorney playing this off as a case of a petulant teen... trip to Iraq (during the school year!?!!?) was so they could "take a break", since FA wasn't doing well in school???? Pfffffffft. "FA never told her parents she didn't want to go" to Iraq does NOT mean anything! She doesn't have an opinion in that home! It means nothing to parents.

We KNOW FA didn't feel safe in Iraq. Why pull her out of school her junior year? It's the most important school year for kids for college admissions.

I will wait to hear FA 's side. I don't care what the attorneys have to say. They weren't in the household. For now I want her to stay safe, focused on school and academics, and know that she has a LOT of people who support her (and Isiah too!!)

 

[Kalanit]

VP talks with ZA's attorney.
He said it wasn't Fatima who told LE that her parents planned an "arranged marriage" and the "honor killing"
It came from adults at the hospital.
During pre-trial it was the state who motioned not to let those 2 claims entered in the trial, not the defense.

She's in extended foster care and has run away before and police were involved.
Looks like the other daughter may have been the only one to greet ZA when she was released?
Anyway, there was no cheering crowd.
imo

video

Attempted "Honor Killing" Trial: Zahraa Ali's Attorney Joins Court TV

Zahraa Ali's lawyer Tim Leary said the melee wasn't an attempted honor killing. He said the term came up in a police report and the name stuck.

www.courttv.com

Very strange interview. Mrs. Ali sure isn't the only one who's clueless...
*my opinion.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951494870821928990

 

[turaj]

Very strange interview. Mrs. Ali sure isn't the only one who's clueless...
*my opinion.

why in the world would an educated man like this attorney consistently say Fatima's name incorrectly? He represents the mother. Did she not correct him? Is he trying to make a statement. You don't have to speak arabic to know how it is pronounced. While he did his job and got the best outcome for his client I don't get that.
Also why did state knowing Fatima would get on the stand and say that her mother was not trying to kill her charge that for the mother?

 

[AnyNameIWish]

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the Pronounciation of "Fatima"... the ONLY person saying "FAHT-ma" was the attorney for the defense.

FaTeeMah is the "Americanized" pronunciation. The parents say "Fahtma", and that is how it is pronounced in their language. In Arabic you're not going to have the name pronounced like FaTeeMah.

Source- I had a childhood friend with this name

 

[turaj]

Re:


the Pronounciation of "Fatima"... the ONLY person saying "FAHT-ma" was the attorney for the defense.

FaTeeMah is the "Americanized" pronunciation. The parents say "Fahtma", and that is how it is pronounced in their language. In Arabic you're not going to have the name pronounced like FaTeeMah.

Source- I had a childhood friend with this name

well if I got that all wrong I stand corrected...someone in that courtroom had it entirely wrong In listening to videos it is more a combination of both ways I saw in court.

 

[Sundog]

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the Pronounciation of "Fatima"... the ONLY person saying "FAHT-ma" was the attorney for the defense.

FaTeeMah is the "Americanized" pronunciation. The parents say "Fahtma", and that is how it is pronounced in their language. In Arabic you're not going to have the name pronounced like FaTeeMah.

Source- I had a childhood friend with this name

And, of course, there is Our Lady of Fatima, apparition of Mary in Fatima, Portugal, known throughout the world since 1917, including the English speaking world. A well-known and beautiful name.

 

[turaj]

And, of course, there is Our Lady of Fatima, apparition of Mary in Fatima, Portugal, known throughout the world since 1917, including the English speaking world. A well-known and beautiful name.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

There's also the song by Camper Van Beethoven which I ♡♡♡ .... "Eye of Fatima" (of course pronounced FahTeamAh).

I won't call out the names but I have friends with kids with names that are pronounced by parents markedly differently than the way the kids' best friends do. Parents have stopped trying to correct them. I think the attorney for the Alis were being respectful to the Alis by saying it as "Fahtma".

 

[Kalanit]

why in the world would an educated man like this attorney consistently say Fatima's name incorrectly? He represents the mother. Did she not correct him? Is he trying to make a statement. You don't have to speak arabic to know how it is pronounced. While he did his job and got the best outcome for his client I don't get that.
Also why did state knowing Fatima would get on the stand and say that her mother was not trying to kill her charge that for the mother?

As others have stated, nothing to do with the pronunciations, just the overall "no big deal, just a teenage misunderstanding" dismissal of the whole thing. Both the interviewer and the lawyer sound so ridiculous, it is insane.
Also I'd just like to say that as a 52 year old grown woman I would be having an extreme panic attack the morning of a one way flight to Iraq and would also run away from home.
*my opinion

 

[IQuestion]

What doesn't make sense is contacting police to say her daughter is missing....and yet "they found her walking away from the school she was attending, she was attacked by the "sperm donor." Doesn't sound like great detective work by the parents...I call it stalking. FA was where she was
supposed to be, in school! The "incubator" was NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON SCHOOL GROUNDS.
That part is known for certain. The claim that the legal docs served to her were not in Arabic. So what, doesn't she have 2 other daughters in the home who have been translating for her for years?
How else would the "incubator" know what inoculations are required, what time school starts...this suddenly "convenient claim" of not understanding always seems to happen when the authorities or legal system steps in.
If I wanted to drive 70 MPH in a school zone, I'd be endangering lives....but if I simply claim "I didn't understand the language and my home country allows me to drive that fast"..should I be immune or insulated from "endangerment charges?" Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Teenagers in America should be enjoying their young lives....pool parties, hanging out at the Mall, going to the movies on Saturday night, studying for a driver's license, slumber parties, buying cool outfits at trendy stores.....but NO, this is what FA's was supposed to wear: abaya and hijabs

Notice the men get to wear "Western business style clothing" as we saw in court, but not the women.
WHAT GIVES WITH THAT???? That alone offends me. (I appreciate modest clothing wear but not to these extremes....blanketed like ghosts, oh geesh.)
If I could tell FA one thing, "Stay away from them, don't get sucked in with promises and fake smiles, you will always be in danger from them." IN MY OPINION of course! "A beautiful life awaits filled with choices you make, not ones that are chosen for you."

 

[Izzylizzy]

 

[Charlot123]

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why in the world would an educated man like this attorney consistently say Fatima's name incorrectly? He represents the mother. Did she not correct him? Is he trying to make a statement. You don't have to speak arabic to know how it is pronounced. While he did his job and got the best outcome for his client I don't get that.
Also why did state knowing Fatima would get on the stand and say that her mother was not trying to kill her charge that for the mother?

It is complicated. The lawyer should pronounce the way the girl does, IMHO. Fatima was the daughter of Mohammed, so the name is special in Islam, but depending on the locality and the language, I have also heard, Fatma, Fat’ma, Patma, Patimat, and Batima. All depends.

The lawyer pronounces it like the place in Portugal where Mary appeared to kids. (There are churches of Our Lady of Fatima in many places, so it is understandable). We don’t even know how the parents called their daughter in their conversations with the lawyer. They could have just said, “she” or so.

 

[Dotta]

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It is complicated. The lawyer should pronounce the way the girl does, IMHO. Fatima was the daughter of Mohammed, so the name is special in Islam, but depending on the locality and the language, I have also heard, Fatma, Fat’ma, Patma, Patimat, and Batima. All depends.

The lawyer pronounces it like the place in Portugal where Mary appeared to kids. (There are churches of Our Lady of Fatima in many places, so it is understandable). We don’t even know how the parents called their daughter in their conversations with the lawyer. They could have just said, “she” or so.

Foreign names & surnames are usually pronounced in odd ways.

Only native speakers can say them flawlessly.

Right pronunciation of foreign words often causes problems.

And let's not start with surnames

JMO